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Post by alster on Sept 12, 2017 10:18:10 GMT
Because we've brought in Jesé? and Choupo is better out wide and Shaq is a guaranteed starter? Jesé scored on his debut which buys him time in the side and he has impressed since coming in. Meaning Berahino now must show what he can do from the bench, and in my opinion he has impacted, as has crouch. We've got competition, and healthy competition which will only bring the best out of the forwards, Berahino included. Last term he was isolated up top in a team with no direction, totally different this year. Indeed thus sending him (Berahino) to the edge of the scrapheap. Shaq shouldn't be a guaranteed and indeed I think our best attacking display has been without Shaq this season with Choupo on the right, Berahino up top and Jese on the left (that's what got me thinking about Berahino tbh). It could be different but he isn't being given the minutes...... I don't know why you think that. Right now he's behind Jese who scored on debut but has done little to impress since. Its clear that Hughes sees the restrictions starting Crouch places on the team, mightily relieved if thats the case because I hate watching it. So to me he's in the mix with all the others for the central striking spot. Do any of them really look like they're going to step up and claim the shirt. Certainly doesn't look that way to me. By the way Shaq is by far our most creative force of course he should be guaranteed.
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Post by lordb on Sept 12, 2017 10:25:45 GMT
When he scores he needs to back it up with another goal soonish after.
As far as can tell the player is doing the right things.
Last season he did have games where he missed chances, he's not had a chance to score yet this season.
The sides doing fine at the moment so he probably will have to remain patient.
As of right now I don't think it's a problem.
However if he gets back in and plays poorly and doesn't score then it would be.
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 12, 2017 10:28:08 GMT
Its been year since he scored a goal. Hughes has obviously given up on him quite rightly. The fact he came on against United instead of Crouch was absurd. Crouch had two goals in two games! I'm told he doesn't even score in training! In fact he got his first only the other day and the whole team applauded. Embarrassing. Not half as embarrassing as the shit you are coming out with.
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 10:39:47 GMT
Because we've brought in Jesé? and Choupo is better out wide and Shaq is a guaranteed starter? Jesé scored on his debut which buys him time in the side and he has impressed since coming in. Meaning Berahino now must show what he can do from the bench, and in my opinion he has impacted, as has crouch. We've got competition, and healthy competition which will only bring the best out of the forwards, Berahino included. Last term he was isolated up top in a team with no direction, totally different this year. Indeed thus sending him (Berahino) to the edge of the scrapheap. Shaq shouldn't be a guaranteed and indeed I think our best attacking display has been without Shaq this season with Choupo on the right, Berahino up top and Jese on the left (that's what got me thinking about Berahino tbh). It could be different but he isn't being given the minutes...... Shaqiri is different class for me. One of the first names on the team sheet, his range of passing is excellent and his attitude since Arnie left has been terrific, he as the arrogance forward players (particularly Berahino) need and thrive upon.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2017 10:54:00 GMT
I suppose it depends if Hughes has any intention of playing with an out and out striker, or changes his formation to two up top. If not (which I think is the case) then SB coming off the bench with his pace is a good option IMO. In an ideal world, we would offload both him and Crouch and sign a Benteke type player on 100K a week. I'm not sure what the answer is, but we will probably have a clearer picture come Xmas. What pace ???????
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 10:55:26 GMT
Indeed thus sending him (Berahino) to the edge of the scrapheap. Shaq shouldn't be a guaranteed and indeed I think our best attacking display has been without Shaq this season with Choupo on the right, Berahino up top and Jese on the left (that's what got me thinking about Berahino tbh). It could be different but he isn't being given the minutes...... Shaqiri is different class for me. One of the first names on the team sheet, his range of passing is excellent and his attitude since Arnie left has been terrific, he as the arrogance forward players (particularly Berahino) need and thrive upon. I think he can be but it has to merited. He's worked his knackers off this season to be fair to him but I don't think he's hurt sides yet. I don't think any of them up there should be untouchable as I don't think we've cracked it up there yet. Ramadan's lack of minutes is a worry too.
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 11:08:45 GMT
Shaqiri is different class for me. One of the first names on the team sheet, his range of passing is excellent and his attitude since Arnie left has been terrific, he as the arrogance forward players (particularly Berahino) need and thrive upon. I think he can be but it has to merited. He's worked his knackers off this season to be fair to him but I don't think he's hurt sides yet. I don't think any of them up there should be untouchable as I don't think we've cracked it up there yet. Ramadan's lack of minutes is a worry too. Its not worrying, the onus is on him at the at the end of the day. If the team goes on a bad run, he will get his chance and its up to him to take it. He needs to turn hughes' head by getting assists, goals when he does get his chance. To be honest i don't mind who MH plays as long as the team is performing well and it is at the moment, without Ramadan. That doesnt say that he wont have his part to play when players get injured, or in the cups.
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Post by professorplump on Sept 12, 2017 11:17:51 GMT
Its been year since he scored a goal. Hughes has obviously given up on him quite rightly. The fact he came on against United instead of Crouch was absurd. Crouch had two goals in two games! I'm told he doesn't even score in training! In fact he got his first only the other day and the whole team applauded. Embarrassing. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. If Hughes had "obviously given up on him" then he wouldn't have brought him on against United would he. And I don't believe your training story for a moment.
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Post by milky on Sept 12, 2017 11:19:40 GMT
Its been year since he scored a goal. Hughes has obviously given up on him quite rightly. The fact he came on against United instead of Crouch was absurd. Crouch had two goals in two games! I'm told he doesn't even score in training! In fact he got his first only the other day and the whole team applauded. Embarrassing. Complete and utter bollocks that you've clearly invented.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 12, 2017 11:28:58 GMT
I thought when he set the goal up v Arsenal he grew in confidence for the rest of that game and looked the best I have seen since he came . I was realy surprised that he didnt then get an hour against Rochdale to hopefully get a goal and give his confidence a further boost , even more so when he was dropped v the Baggies again .
He looked down at the end of the game again on Saturday so its a tricky one , we do need a central striker to work but Im not sure he is a one up type , maybe there is a way of linking with Jese and Choupo in this new formation somehow . How we have set up has worked out v the good teams but not sure it will when teams come to defend
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Post by professorplump on Sept 12, 2017 11:29:20 GMT
As usual Bayernoatcake is making a mountain out of a molehill. You can only pick 11 at a time and Jese, Choupo and Shaq all deserve their places at the moment. It is a long season and we will pick up injuries and suspensions, so both Berehino and Ramadan will get chances. Berehino has looked much sharper this season than he did last. In limited game time he got an assist and nearly scored against Arsenal and looked okay against Man Utd. As leoncort says above, the important thing is how the team are performing rather than obsessing about individuals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 11:40:38 GMT
I think he can be but it has to merited. He's worked his knackers off this season to be fair to him but I don't think he's hurt sides yet. I don't think any of them up there should be untouchable ais I don't think we've cracked it up there yet. Ramadan's lack of minutes is a worry too. Its not worrying, the onus is on him at the at the end of the day. If the team goes on a bad run, he will get his chance and its up to him to take it. He needs to turn hughes' head by getting assists, goals when he does get his chance. To be honest i don't mind who MH plays as long as the team is performing well and it is at the moment, without Ramadan. That doesnt say that he wont have his part to play when players get injured, or in the cups. It's a worry because he's a next level talent and one that needs game time to reach that level. He's never had a bad game for us and before Choup signed he was the only player who could beat a man. He needs more playing time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 11:44:24 GMT
As usual Bayernoatcake is making a mountain out of a molehill. You can only pick 11 at a time and Jese, Choupo and Shaq all deserve their places at the moment. It is a long season and we will pick up injuries and suspensions, so both Berehino and Ramadan will get chances. Berehino has looked much sharper this season than he did last. In limited game time he got an assist and nearly scored against Arsenal and looked okay against Man Utd. As leoncort says above, the important thing is how the team are performing rather than obsessing about individuals. So a player we've chased for 2 years, spent 12m on, is one of our top earners and can barely get on the pitch isn't an issue? Of course it is! Especially when we still look poor in the striking position.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 12, 2017 11:52:54 GMT
TO be honest I thought he played pretty well vs Arsenal and again pretty well vs Man Utd when he came on, he was responsible for harassing Bailly into making that mistake that lead to Bailly hacking down Shaq
Its a long season, we are short of strikers and we will need him.
He is a different character to Imbula, whereas Imbula sulked when dropped, Bera has got his head down and worked hard. Hughes knows that and I am sure he will get more chances, I just hope he takes them
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 12, 2017 12:01:27 GMT
Surely the Berahino thing is part of a bigger problem?
Choupo played up front in the first two games without having so much as a sniff of a chance. Rodriguez can't have touched the ball more than twice when he went up front. Crouch did what Crouch does. If you asked our supporters at any time last season which of our strikers is the best, I could guarantee that the winner would be whichever one was out of the team.
I'm not exactly sure what the problem is.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Sept 12, 2017 12:19:10 GMT
Forget last season, that's gone. Judge him on what we've seen this season. Decent vs Arsenal, aggressive vs Man Utd. Probably unlucky not to partner Crouchie in the cup game (Bojan was still with us). In my book, it's looking encouraging. Perm three from four up front. He'll get games.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 12, 2017 12:19:12 GMT
I don't mind too much his lack of goals as long as he helps create chances for others like he did against Arsenal, we need all the three up top to be scoring and I think if we stick with him he'll score goals.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2017 12:32:30 GMT
You'd like to think when he finally breaks his duck that he'll push on and become the player we hoped but its a gigantic leap of faith isn't it? He's simply not as good as anticipated and doesn't seem to suit any system we're likely to play in the near future particularly well. It's a shame but I think this one will ultimately be written off as an expensive mistake.
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 12:42:24 GMT
Its not worrying, the onus is on him at the at the end of the day. If the team goes on a bad run, he will get his chance and its up to him to take it. He needs to turn hughes' head by getting assists, goals when he does get his chance. To be honest i don't mind who MH plays as long as the team is performing well and it is at the moment, without Ramadan. That doesnt say that he wont have his part to play when players get injured, or in the cups. It's a worry because he's a next level talent and one that needs game time to reach that level. He's never had a bad game for us and before Choup signed he was the only player who could beat a man. He needs more playing time. Shaqiri can certainly beat a man. As i've said, talent or not he needs to turn this talent into assists and goals when Hughes gives him the chance, its all up to him. However at the moment he isnt getting the chance, and quite rightly too as they players in the team currently are performing very well and getting results.
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Post by PB1863 on Sept 12, 2017 12:51:40 GMT
Why he didn't start or even play against Rochdale is beyond me. He could have scored 6 in that game. I agree very odd.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 12, 2017 13:42:54 GMT
Berahino is trying very hard and has shown good attitude this season.
The current front 3 deserve to keep their places, but hopefully Saido will get a goal soon (against Bristol maybe) and start to threaten the starting 11.
I would like to see Ramadan and Berahino start in the next cup match.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 12, 2017 13:53:43 GMT
As well as not scoring goals I just dont see what he brings to the team - hes not fast - he cant hold up the ball - hes not tricky - he cant make chances for himself - hes not a lone striker Hes a fox-in-the-box type striker but he doesnt fit in our system. He doesnt offer enough outside of the box. Plus he has a lack of confidence. Im not writing him off and hope he comes good. But I am struggling to see how he will contribute in our general play upfront on his own. He needs a strike partner 3-5-2?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2017 14:04:21 GMT
Berahino is trying very hard and has shown good attitude this season. The current front 3 deserve to keep their places, but hopefully Saido will get a goal soon (against Bristol maybe) and start to threaten the starting 11. I would like to see Ramadan and Berahino start in the next cup match. His best option of scoring was the Rochdale game, Hughes did not start him ?? something appears to be a miss much like the Imbula debacle.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 12, 2017 14:14:37 GMT
You'd like to think when he finally breaks his duck that he'll push on and become the player we hoped but its a gigantic leap of faith isn't it? He's simply not as good as anticipated and doesn't seem to suit any system we're likely to play in the near future particularly well. It's a shame but I think this one will ultimately be written off as an expensive mistake. I think that probably sums it up for me. We seem to have bought him on the strength of what he did a couple of years ago. He has had plenty of chances and from what I have seen of him is a major concern. He rarely gets into scoring positions and he never looks like he will create a goal for himself from a touch of brilliance. Loads of excuses have been trotted out on her needs games, needs a good pre-season, we don't create any chances for him blah blah blah. All our other forwards seem to be able to find the net even Joselu Walters Crouch...huge disappointment
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Sept 12, 2017 14:35:03 GMT
We drop like we have done, it will be the best thing for him. Have to be brutally honest with him, he's not scoring and that's supposed to be his job, if anything it should motivate him. When he came on he went in hard on Baily and that's exactly what I want to see. Keep bringing him on in the 2nd half and hopefully he will get more explosive and hungry.
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 12, 2017 14:38:29 GMT
Could go either way (like Imbula, or...not like Imbula).
Only been four games so far. It's not like he's been utter rubbish, he just hasn't scored.
Got a hunch he'll get a goal soon and then they will start rolling in. Doubt he's a 20-a-season man mind you, but I think he will do ok.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 12, 2017 14:58:39 GMT
He's done everything right. In his first few games he was very unlucky not to score on two or three occasions, one massively jammy save from Mignolet at point-blank range springs to mind. Such a shame they didn't go in because we could be in a very different position with him now if he'd come out of the blocks with a couple of confidence-boosting goals rather than having an increasingly cumbersome monkey on his back.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 12, 2017 15:03:25 GMT
He's done everything right. In his first few games he was very unlucky not to score on two or three occasions, one massively jammy save from Mignolet at point-blank range springs to mind. Such a shame they didn't go in because we could be in a very different position with him now if he'd come out of the blocks with a couple of confidence-boosting goals rather than having an increasingly cumbersome monkey on his back. I'm my eyes, he's only missed one sitter that was away at Swansea (why he didn't take the pen that arnie blazed I don't know!) There was a wonder save from mingolet and someone else who I can't remember.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 12, 2017 15:10:19 GMT
He has shown nothing to suggest 'He'll come good. We're basically stuck with him unless we can get him out on loan to a championship side to get game time, which I think will happen.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 12, 2017 15:33:55 GMT
Huge show of faith and commitment shown by the Club and Hughes. Virtually rescued him. Came to us 6 months late, in shocking condition etc etc. I think he appreciates that, got fit and tries his nads off. Done what's been asked in a positional sense {dropping deeper vs Arsenal etc} and while shooting confidence may be low, he's getting stuck in. I reckon he's improved over his few showings so far, against Everton he looked a bit lost and anonymous. A lot better in the last two. The idea of the 343 is to get two players closer to the striker, but it's still fairly new, anticipating the moves of Shaq etc is no easy feat. Who knows, but signs for me through subs/Cups this steady improvement will continue. In the meantime I reckon there's more goals from throughout the squad with this funkier football, for me that takes some of the pressure off Berahino for now. Less of a problem, more of an ongoing project.
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