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Post by cooper67 on Aug 29, 2017 9:21:16 GMT
If he isn't a legend now-then he will be when he finally hangs up his boots.
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2017 10:45:44 GMT
Macari's league winning side was the old division 3 mate. I'm well aware of that fact mate. Like I said it depends how you define the term Legend really. There are some players that every Stoke fan will call a legend, for example Sir Stan,Banksy and Ritchie. Then there are a whole host of players that will be legends in the eyes of certain fans but not others as it's all down to personal preference. The Macari years were the first time as a Stoke fan that I saw us having any sort of success and no matter what division it was some of those players are legends in my eyes as they gave me some of my favourite moments supporting us. Fair enough, I was there in the Macari years too and it was for sure an exciting ride! I just always factor in playing level to any 'legend' thoughts, not the be all and end all, but a significant consideration.
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Post by Pedropotter on Aug 29, 2017 11:09:34 GMT
Yes. Cracking footballer and a lovely bloke. A credit to the club and the game.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Aug 29, 2017 11:36:33 GMT
I respect the right for anyone to define a legend anyway they choose but am surprised that for you it seems to be about winning at any level rather than the ability and contribution of any player individually. Do you really believe that players who won the 3rd tier title or got promoted are legends more than say Freddie Steele or Neil Franklin? On the topic, more than a 1000 players have played for our beloved club. Crouch has played more games than all but about 60 and scored more goals than all but about 20. All whilst playing in the top division. He's a legend for me. I would put any of our top 100 players as legends. And of course people like Matthews, Steele, Franklin, Banks and Ritchie as all time greats. Fair enough and you make some good points that are difficult to disagree with but please see my reply to God's post for where I stand on this matter as I conna be arsed to type it out again You don't need to. We're not arguing. Like you some of my favourite players are from that Macari team as it was the first time I'd personally experienced any success as a fan. They gave me back a lot of pride and put us back on the right path. It's just my view on legend versus someone who I look back at fondly. A great example would be Steve Foley, who I loved but wouldn't be in the top 300 players to have played for Stoke. On God's point I think you can judge players beyond those they played against as clearly there are levels defined by leagues. Clearly a player who played 300 games at the top level is likely to be better than a player who played 300 or more games at the 2nd or 3rd tiers. It doesn't mean I don't love them but legends are legends. Could discuss it forever though I guess.
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Post by luke45 on Aug 29, 2017 12:46:48 GMT
He really has been a fantastic servant to the club and given the high profile clubs he has played for I think it's fantastic that he has played twice as many games for us than he has for any of his previous clubs.
When I think back to his signing in summer 2011 I can remember quite a few people on here, myself included to an extent, questioning the £12 million fee we shelled out for a player who was approaching 31, hadn't represented the national team for over a year and was struggling to hold down a place at Spurs. When we made that double signing from Spurs it's fair to say the majority of people were more excited about the arrival of Palacios than they were Crouch. But here he is six years on still possessing the ability to influence and change matches and score vital goals to salvage us points.
In roughly the last 20 years I think there's only two players who have scored more goals in all comps for us than Crouchy, Peter Thorne and Jon Walters. That is the scale of contribution he has made to this club so far.
He is worthy of club legend status in my opinion and I hope he's here for a few more seasons to come yet because as we saw on Saturday, he still has a very important role to play.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 29, 2017 13:07:12 GMT
I remember one year , when TP had us playing really dire football , he seemed to be our only goal threat .
I am sure he kept us up that year .
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Post by robstokie on Aug 29, 2017 18:36:32 GMT
No. For me, a Legend is someone who played a massive part in our clubs successes, such as Ryan with the promotion, FA Cup run and Europe.
Crouch is more of an icon than a club legend in my book - and it's as much to do with his character off the pitch as it is with his exploits on it.
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Post by geekenny on Aug 29, 2017 18:40:18 GMT
No. For me, a Legend is someone who played a massive part in our clubs successes, such as Ryan with the promotion, FA Cup run and Europe. Crouch is more of an icon than a club legend in my book - and it's as much to do with his character off the pitch as it is with his exploits on it. If Crouch is a legend then so is Pulis
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Post by skip on Aug 29, 2017 18:44:40 GMT
Legend is an overused term, but his signing has proved invaluable. Yes, I know a number of fans think that the way that he plays has inhibited our formation or progress - I disagree - but more fundamentally than that, he has been the one world renown footballer to join Stoke in the modern era who has been massively successful, a wonder goal, a distinctive physicality, utterly likeable and trustworthy. What's not to love?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 29, 2017 19:53:46 GMT
......of course he is - has anyone scored more prem goals for us? (genuine question as I don't know - but guessing not?) Walters has scored more premier league goals Yep - good call - he's a legend too !!!
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Post by shangamuzo on Aug 29, 2017 23:08:16 GMT
Walters has scored more premier league goals Yep - good call - he's a legend too !!! Legend.
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Post by xxstokiestanxx on Aug 30, 2017 0:24:49 GMT
Will be gutted when he leaves our club ,hopefully he finishes his career here. Top top bloke and proud to have had him at our club. Yes a legend for me and under appreciated by a lot of posters on this message board, he is not dead wood and never will be!
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 30, 2017 5:15:57 GMT
Fit missus so for that reason LEGEND
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 30, 2017 5:43:58 GMT
Yes for me. Headed goals leader here, constantly top scorer or close. Ambassador of club and he's a lovely guy, huge fan favorite. He also scores some real class ones. Yea, he's slow like a giraffe, but he's got skill to even it out. Top signing that has helped make us stable up top.
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Post by pez75 on Aug 30, 2017 8:03:01 GMT
In context of how the word 'legend' is currently used in relation to football - definitely. His signing marked the turning point fom being guests at the the Premier League party to truly 'belong'. Since then his application, contribution and attitude have been exemplary. Only an utter cunt could talk badly of Crouchy.
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Post by gibby1409 on Aug 30, 2017 8:09:13 GMT
Yes imo. Raised the profile of the club. Done a great job on the pitch. Fantastic ambassador for the club. All round nice guy who's liked/loved by millions.
Crouchy is a top top man as well as still doing a great job from the bench as our plan B.
People who don't necessarily like footie still like Crouchy, and associate him with our club.
Goaaarn Pete 😁
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Post by alster on Aug 30, 2017 8:15:30 GMT
In context of how the word 'legend' is currently used in relation to football - definitely. His signing marked the turning point fom being guests at the the Premier League party to truly 'belong'. Since then his application, contribution and attitude have been exemplary. Only an utter cunt could talk badly of Crouchy. Funny how people see things differently isn't it. For me his signing marked the turning point from bearable pulisball to unbearable completely mind numbing pulisball. Since then his continued presence has prevented any manager from concentrating their mind on formulating an effective attacking plan. He's a likeable fella but that doesn't really do it for me in footballing terms I'd actually prefer it if he was a nasty bastard. Signed an utter cunt
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 30, 2017 8:22:38 GMT
In context of how the word 'legend' is currently used in relation to football - definitely. His signing marked the turning point fom being guests at the the Premier League party to truly 'belong'. Since then his application, contribution and attitude have been exemplary. Only an utter cunt could talk badly of Crouchy. Funny how people see things differently isn't it. For me his signing marked the turning point from bearable pulisball to unbearable completely mind numbing pulisball. Since then his continued presence has prevented any manager from concentrating their mind on formulating an effective attacking plan. He's a likeable fella but that doesn't really do it for me in footballing terms I'd actually prefer it if he was a nasty bastard. Signed an utter cunt That's the one of the intriguing things about football is the different viewpoints. I saw the demise into dire football sparked by the decline of Pennant and shoehorning Shotton into right wing and the poor signing of Kightly
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Post by alster on Aug 30, 2017 8:29:59 GMT
Funny how people see things differently isn't it. For me his signing marked the turning point from bearable pulisball to unbearable completely mind numbing pulisball. Since then his continued presence has prevented any manager from concentrating their mind on formulating an effective attacking plan. He's a likeable fella but that doesn't really do it for me in footballing terms I'd actually prefer it if he was a nasty bastard. Signed an utter cunt That's the one of the intriguing things about football is the different viewpoints. I saw the demise into dire football sparked by the decline of Pennant and shoehorning Shotton into right wing and the poor signing of Kightly There we go again see. I saw the demise of Pennants relationship with Pulis and no decline in Pennant's on field performance(that came much later) and the shoehorning of Shotton was simply a symptom of Pulis's inability to accept what he knew when he signed him to be a sometimes wayward individual and concentrate on what happened on the pitch.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 30, 2017 8:33:24 GMT
That's the one of the intriguing things about football is the different viewpoints. I saw the demise into dire football sparked by the decline of Pennant and shoehorning Shotton into right wing and the poor signing of Kightly There we go again see. I saw the demise of Pennants relationship with Pulis and no decline in Pennant's on field performance(that came much later) and the shoehorning of Shotton was simply a symptom of Pulis's inability to accept what he knew when he signed him to be a sometimes wayward individual and concentrate on what happened on the pitch. To be fair I didn't state the decline in form for pennant just the overall decline
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Post by wrighter on Aug 30, 2017 8:36:47 GMT
Love Crouchy, just seems the sort of guy if you met him in a bar, he would chat away with you, none of this " dont you know who i am " crap
Legend ? yep, certainly
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 30, 2017 8:40:02 GMT
Always difficult to say when somebody is a legend, but if you travel abroad wearing anything Stoke-related the first thing people say is 'Peter Crouch'!
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Post by pez75 on Aug 30, 2017 10:23:27 GMT
In context of how the word 'legend' is currently used in relation to football - definitely. His signing marked the turning point fom being guests at the the Premier League party to truly 'belong'. Since then his application, contribution and attitude have been exemplary. Only an utter cunt could talk badly of Crouchy. Funny how people see things differently isn't it. For me his signing marked the turning point from bearable pulisball to unbearable completely mind numbing pulisball. Since then his continued presence has prevented any manager from concentrating their mind on formulating an effective attacking plan. He's a likeable fella but that doesn't really do it for me in footballing terms I'd actually prefer it if he was a nasty bastard. Signed an utter cunt TBF you have not spoken badly of Crouch himself but of tactical shortcomings - however I disagree. Pulis' decline stemmed from the inability to replace the pacey wingers in a very one-dimentional set-up. Crouch suited Tone's tactics to a tee. Replace non-league Mama with Crouch in our earlier set-up and we would have been even better than we were. In our current side where he is bought on as a sub to change things he is perfect. Long may it continue.
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Post by alster on Aug 30, 2017 10:28:07 GMT
Funny how people see things differently isn't it. For me his signing marked the turning point from bearable pulisball to unbearable completely mind numbing pulisball. Since then his continued presence has prevented any manager from concentrating their mind on formulating an effective attacking plan. He's a likeable fella but that doesn't really do it for me in footballing terms I'd actually prefer it if he was a nasty bastard. Signed an utter cunt TBF you have not spoken badly of Crouch himself but of tactical shortcomings - however I disagree. Pulis' decline stemmed from the inability to replace the pacey wingers in a very one-dimentional set-up. Crouch suited Tone's tactics to a tee. Replace non-league Mama with Crouch in our earlier set-up and we would have been even better than we were. In our current side where he is bought on as a sub to change things he is perfect. Long may it continue. He wasn't a perfect Mama replacement, much as I derided his lack of ability Mama had power and mobility that Crouch has never possessed.Long ball football simply doesn't work without power and mobility. Ideally what you want is a Kenwyne Jones with a greater work ethic Pulisball at its most effective and enjoyable.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 30, 2017 11:28:43 GMT
He's been a great signing for us, and would have got more goals with better service, but I wouldn't class him as a Stoke legend.
For me, that would be the '72 League Cup winning team, along with other obvious names from history like Stanley Matthews and Eric Skeels. Modern legends? Stein, Shawcross, Fuller, Delap, Overson. I wouldn't put Crouch in that group. He has scored one of my favourite ever goals by a Stoke player though - I can never decide between Fuller's 3-2 against Villa or Crouch's vs Man City.
And not forgetting Oulare, but not for the same reason as the above.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2017 11:35:49 GMT
He's a legend for me. A much travelled player who has played far more games for us (and scored more goals) than for any other club. Probably in the next few months he will take over from Walters as our top scorer in the Premier League - and he will probably hold that title for a good many years to come. One of a comparatively few scorers of 100 PL goals still playing and, with luck, over half of his PL goals will have been scored for Stoke by the time he retires.
Add to the that the fact that fans, fellow players and club management all pay tribute to his character as a top bloke and a fine ambassador for the club and I have no problems in classing him as a legend alongside some of the greats of my youth - Banks, Matthews, Ritchie, Smith, Greenhoff etc.
Incidentally I hear that he and Shay Given are playing this weekend in a charity match for the survivors of the Grenfell Tower disaster. Well done and good luck to all concerned.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 30, 2017 11:35:54 GMT
On another thread someone has posted the top 20 slowest players in the prem.
Gareth barry is 7 th!! Unbelieavably there are 6 players even slower than gareth barry
The top 2 are crouchy 2nd And the undisputed champion of slowness charlie Adam
To be a top goal scorer in the prem, when you can't even outsprint gareth barry must be the stuff of legend?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 30, 2017 12:44:32 GMT
One of a comparatively few scorers of 100 PL goals still playing and, with luck, over half of his PL goals will have been scored for Stoke by the time he retires. I hadn't thought of it that way - and a fair few of the 100 have come with us. He's also reached top headed goals while here, beating Alan Shearer. I'll move him closer to my 'modern legends' status, but still not quite up with the others I mentioned. Are there any others of our current or recent crop who you'd consider a Stoke legend? Would you put Walters and Whelan in?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2017 12:53:48 GMT
One of a comparatively few scorers of 100 PL goals still playing and, with luck, over half of his PL goals will have been scored for Stoke by the time he retires. I hadn't thought of it that way - and a fair few of the 100 have come with us. He's also reached top headed goals while here, beating Alan Shearer. I'll move him closer to my 'modern legends' status, but still not quite up with the others I mentioned. Are there any others of our current or recent crop who you'd consider a Stoke legend? Would you put Walters and Whelan in? Of other modern players (since we moved to the new stadium) I'd only have Fuller and Walters as legends. Whelan would join Skeels in the great players but just below legends category.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 30, 2017 13:23:15 GMT
I hadn't thought of it that way - and a fair few of the 100 have come with us. He's also reached top headed goals while here, beating Alan Shearer. I'll move him closer to my 'modern legends' status, but still not quite up with the others I mentioned. Are there any others of our current or recent crop who you'd consider a Stoke legend? Would you put Walters and Whelan in? Of other modern players (since we moved to the new stadium) I'd only have Fuller and Walters as legends. Whelan would join Skeels in the great players but just below legends category. So we have 3 modern players each, and one in common - mine are Shawcross, Fuller and Delap (the throw pushes him ahead of the likes of Walters and Crouch).
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