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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 22, 2017 12:57:39 GMT
Diving is feigning injury or feigning contact to win a penalty. All Arter did was call for it and Chabo left it. It was really dirty, but I just can't put it down as "Cheating" You'd think you would know what your team-mates sound like as well, but then again in the heat of the moment it works differently. I think it's rare that most players will dummy a pass though so I can't see it happening too many times. Okay, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. How exactly can they stamp that out? "Don't speak" "Don't call for the ball" You can't stamp it out because it's not cheating.
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Post by switch on Aug 22, 2017 13:35:18 GMT
No debate here for me; its flat out cheating and he should've been carded. Frankly Arter seems like a massive cunt on the pitch.
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Post by walrus on Aug 22, 2017 13:39:21 GMT
Okay, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. How exactly can they stamp that out? "Don't speak" "Don't call for the ball" You can't stamp it out because it's not cheating. I don't think it needs to be "stamped out" because it's an unusual and isolated case, not part of a wider trend. Ideally it would be punished at the time by the referee, who would take appropriate action in line with the rules of the game, IE with an indirect free-kick and a yellow card. Like just about every decision in football this is dependent on the referee perceiving it correctly at the time.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 22, 2017 17:41:24 GMT
Okay, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. How exactly can they stamp that out? "Don't speak" "Don't call for the ball" You can't stamp it out because it's not cheating. It's not a widespread problem because most players aren't dicks about it. It's still cheating though.
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Post by greyman on Aug 22, 2017 19:11:42 GMT
How exactly can they stamp that out? "Don't speak" "Don't call for the ball" You can't stamp it out because it's not cheating. I don't think it needs to be "stamped out" because it's an unusual and isolated case, not part of a wider trend. Ideally it would be punished at the time by the referee, who would take appropriate action in line with the rules of the game, IE with an indirect free-kick and a yellow card. Like just about every decision in football this is dependent on the referee perceiving it correctly at the time. It's part of the wider trend of Harry Arter being a complete shithouse
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Post by stokie1954 on Aug 22, 2017 19:38:38 GMT
I don't think it needs to be "stamped out" because it's an unusual and isolated case, not part of a wider trend. Ideally it would be punished at the time by the referee, who would take appropriate action in line with the rules of the game, IE with an indirect free-kick and a yellow card. Like just about every decision in football this is dependent on the referee perceiving it correctly at the time. It's part of the wider trend of Harry Arter being a complete shithouse Him and his manager. Don't get the media love in with Howe. Him and Gary Monk both sneaky little turds!.
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Post by stokienorthants on Aug 22, 2017 19:53:18 GMT
If my memory is correct & i am going back along time early seventies in fact did Man utd not have a goal disallowed at old trafford against us for someone shouting leave it. May have been Bobby Charlton telling one of his own players bit different i know but classed as ungentlemanly conduct. Apparently you had to say a name not just leave it. You're right it was on MOTD in the seventies in the days when they only showed a couple of games. I'm pretty sure we were on last 😉
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 22, 2017 22:03:47 GMT
How exactly can they stamp that out? "Don't speak" "Don't call for the ball" You can't stamp it out because it's not cheating. It's not a widespread problem because most players aren't dicks about it. It's still cheating though. Nah
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Aug 22, 2017 22:43:37 GMT
If you call when going for a header, put a your name on it, its not cheating. If you call leave it/mine... it is. Fine lines. Mine and leave it are completely different. Mine would go down as dangerous play
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 23, 2017 8:39:23 GMT
It's not a widespread problem because most players aren't dicks about it. It's still cheating though. Nah This is the definition of cheating: Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Aug 23, 2017 11:36:25 GMT
Well he didn't shout "Harry's" did he? So he was attempting to deceive. Anyway, apparently teams have a word they use to mean "leave it" or "stepover". They don't just shout their name. Arter apparently used Watford's word. Yeah I know mate, Davejohnno explained it after I did say I was being a simpleton! Fair enough. Didn't see his post until after.
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Post by pretzel on Aug 23, 2017 12:27:14 GMT
I guess if what Arter did isn't seen as cheating or punishable, then you can now expect to see it proliferate through the game at all levels.
Although as someone has already said, do it in a Sunday local league game at your own peril.
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Post by haway on Aug 23, 2017 12:50:07 GMT
What if Arter shouted "Harry's"? Would it be cheating then as it is him waiting for the ball, given that it's going by at a quick pace, the Watford player wouldn't have time to think 'Hold on a minute, who the fuck is Harry?...'
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Post by lordb on Aug 23, 2017 12:51:43 GMT
What if Arter shouted "Harry's"? Would it be cheating then as it is him waiting for the ball, given that it's going by at a quick pace, the Watford player wouldn't have time to think 'Hold on a minute, who the fuck is Harry?...' That wouldn't be cheating,no no idea what he did say but pretty confident it wasn't that.
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Post by haway on Aug 23, 2017 12:55:40 GMT
What if Arter shouted "Harry's"? Would it be cheating then as it is him waiting for the ball, given that it's going by at a quick pace, the Watford player wouldn't have time to think 'Hold on a minute, who the fuck is Harry?...' That wouldn't be cheating,no no idea what he did say but pretty confident it wasn't that. He didn't say that, I'm just wondering if that would have constituted cheating. I reckon that's the loop hole to get around it then.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 23, 2017 13:10:01 GMT
This is the definition of cheating: Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage It just doesn't seem that serious to me to call it "cheating" but I do see your point and others.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 23, 2017 14:03:16 GMT
This is the definition of cheating: Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage It just doesn't seem that serious to me to call it "cheating" but I do see your point and others. I think we can all agree, regardless of what happened on Saturday - Harry Arter is a bit of a dick.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 23, 2017 14:05:00 GMT
It just doesn't seem that serious to me to call it "cheating" but I do see your point and others. I think we can all agree, regardless of what happened on Saturday - Harry Arter is a bit of a dick. Yeah, it really is a slimy cheap move. Hope Bournemouth have rotten luck this season.
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