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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 21, 2017 14:06:38 GMT
If my memory is correct & i am going back along time early seventies in fact did Man utd not have a goal disallowed at old trafford against us for someone shouting leave it. May have been Bobby Charlton telling one of his own players bit different i know but classed as ungentlemanly conduct. Apparently you had to say a name not just leave it. They did indeed and it was Charlton, I was there and remember all the fuss after I believe he was booked as well. The Stoke player in front of him left it when he shouted. I was there to in what used to be called the scoreboard end i think it ended in a draw 1-1 with Greenhoff i think scoring our goal happy days & what a team we had.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 21, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
In my opinion it's a booking and a free kick. It's ungentlemanly conduct and akin to a foul or infringement
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Post by walrus on Aug 21, 2017 14:13:23 GMT
It's a common misconception in amateur football that any shout to the effect of "Leave it" is an infringement. That's not true; it's all about context. In this context his intention was blatantly unsporting so it should have been an indirect free kick and a yellow card. I can only assume the referee didn't hear it. I'd like to see some sort of retrospective punishment for blatant unsporting play, but it's hard to enforce anything after the event when if it had been noticed at the time the punishment would have been a booking. Retrospective bookings would be something of a nonsense, although in Arter's case it would serve to speed up how soon he gets a suspension, dirty bugger. "Leave it" has never been an infringement. I've been playing for years (and still do). "Leave it" is fine. "Mine" is an infringement as it's ambiguous and supposedly can cause an injury. At the risk of sounding like a total anorak, I've refereed for years and am really clued up on this. Contrary to popular belief, neither shouting 'mine' nor 'leave it' (or anything else) is listed as an offence in its own right. If you don't believe me read Law 12 (fouls and misconduct). Shouting these things, along with many other acts, could be interpreted by the referee as unsporting play, and therefore penalised, but they are not expressly outlawed, and it is therefore down to the referee's interpretation what decision to make. It's essentially a very widespread myth. A lot of players, coaches, and referees at amateur level genuinely don't know the correct rule here. Some coaches also chose to tell young players that it is an offence to shout 'mine' or 'leave it', as it encourages players to put a name on it, which is good practice in any case, and easier than trying to explain the nuance of the actual rule to kids. If you google something like 'shouting mine in football' you will find tons of discussions from referees' forums, all of which reach the above (correct) conclusion.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 21, 2017 14:35:00 GMT
"Leave it" has never been an infringement. I've been playing for years (and still do). "Leave it" is fine. "Mine" is an infringement as it's ambiguous and supposedly can cause an injury. At the risk of sounding like a total anorak, I've refereed for years and am really clued up on this. Contrary to popular belief, neither shouting 'mine' nor 'leave it' (or anything else) is listed as an offence in its own right. If you don't believe me read Law 12 (fouls and misconduct). Shouting these things, along with many other acts, could be interpreted by the referee as unsporting play, and therefore penalised, but they are not expressly outlawed, and it is therefore down to the referee's interpretation what decision to make. It's essentially a very widespread myth. A lot of players, coaches, and referees at amateur level genuinely don't know the correct rule here. Some coaches also chose to tell young players that it is an offence to shout 'mine' or 'leave it', as it encourages players to put a name on it, which is good practice in any case, and easier than trying to explain the nuance of the actual rule to kids. If you google something like 'shouting mine in football' you will find tons of discussions from referees' forums, all of which reach the above (correct) conclusion. The whole "put a name on it" myth seems to be a particularly UK thing as well. When I first started playing abroad I protested once or twice about people saying "mine" or "leave it" but it's the norm, there's no concept of it being bad form at all. And in fact they all found it (understandably) bizarre and funny that I ran around the pitch screaming my own name all the time
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Post by podolipotter on Aug 21, 2017 14:46:56 GMT
It is yet another moral declination in the modern generation - eee when I were a lad it were called ungentlemanly conduct and naughty sod got ticked off! Bring back the old days I say...LOL
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2017 14:58:01 GMT
"Leave it" has never been an infringement. I've been playing for years (and still do). "Leave it" is fine. "Mine" is an infringement as it's ambiguous and supposedly can cause an injury. At the risk of sounding like a total anorak, I've refereed for years and am really clued up on this. Contrary to popular belief, neither shouting 'mine' nor 'leave it' (or anything else) is listed as an offence in its own right. If you don't believe me read Law 12 (fouls and misconduct). Shouting these things, along with many other acts, could be interpreted by the referee as unsporting play, and therefore penalised, but they are not expressly outlawed, and it is therefore down to the referee's interpretation what decision to make. It's essentially a very widespread myth. A lot of players, coaches, and referees at amateur level genuinely don't know the correct rule here. Some coaches also chose to tell young players that it is an offence to shout 'mine' or 'leave it', as it encourages players to put a name on it, which is good practice in any case, and easier than trying to explain the nuance of the actual rule to kids. If you google something like 'shouting mine in football' you will find tons of discussions from referees' forums, all of which reach the above (correct) conclusion. Totally correct. Shouting or whatever is not included in the rules of the game. What is included is that " If a player acts in an ungentlemanly manner", the Referee may stop the game, administer a caution for ungentmanly conduct, and restart the game from the place where the offence occurred with an indirect free kick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:00:40 GMT
Something Walters would do!
I find it pretty funny
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Post by walrus on Aug 21, 2017 15:07:08 GMT
Something Walters would do! I find it pretty funny In this case Watford ended up comfortable winners so it doesn't seem a big deal, but I bet you'd find it less funny if a Stoke player was on the receiving end of it at a critical moment in a game.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 21, 2017 15:10:37 GMT
If you call when going for a header, put a your name on it, its not cheating. If you call leave it/mine... it is. Fine lines. I hear "leave it" all the time. Never been pulled up. Mine, correct. Infringement. The laws of football don't define what you can say as it is depends on context. If you shout "Leave it" and it puts an opponent off in any way that is a foul.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 21, 2017 15:17:50 GMT
"Leave it" has never been an infringement. I've been playing for years (and still do). "Leave it" is fine. "Mine" is an infringement as it's ambiguous and supposedly can cause an injury. At the risk of sounding like a total anorak, I've refereed for years and am really clued up on this. Contrary to popular belief, neither shouting 'mine' nor 'leave it' (or anything else) is listed as an offence in its own right. If you don't believe me read Law 12 (fouls and misconduct). Shouting these things, along with many other acts, could be interpreted by the referee as unsporting play, and therefore penalised, but they are not expressly outlawed, and it is therefore down to the referee's interpretation what decision to make. It's essentially a very widespread myth. A lot of players, coaches, and referees at amateur level genuinely don't know the correct rule here. Some coaches also chose to tell young players that it is an offence to shout 'mine' or 'leave it', as it encourages players to put a name on it, which is good practice in any case, and easier than trying to explain the nuance of the actual rule to kids. If you google something like 'shouting mine in football' you will find tons of discussions from referees' forums, all of which reach the above (correct) conclusion. Never realized that. I was raised on the rules that "mine" is a foul, essentially speaking. I don't think I've heard anyone shout mine for a long time either.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 21, 2017 15:25:40 GMT
Im not sure that we should expect anything different from Bournemouth. They're somehow media darlings, when in reality they're a bunch of snide c%$#s. According to this board every other club is a media darling apart from us & WBA!!!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2017 15:28:45 GMT
So....? Who is Jack in Watfords team??? If there isn't anyone, how can it be deemed cheating? If Joe Allen shouts "Rebecca's" when theres no fucker called Rebecca, how is it cheating? Because all teams have a code word for "dummy" or "leave it" in that situation and Arter had clearly somehow cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code name was Jack. He's a c**t. Why should anyone be surprised. We know exactly what Bournemouth are from their visit here last season and any goodwill towards them from a Stoke perspective well and truly disappeared.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:29:37 GMT
We have witnessed it pretty much all of last season. Imbula impersonating a player....
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 21, 2017 15:33:15 GMT
So....? Who is Jack in Watfords team??? If there isn't anyone, how can it be deemed cheating? If Joe Allen shouts "Rebecca's" when theres no fucker called Rebecca, how is it cheating? Because all teams have a code word for "dummy" or "leave it" in that situation and Arter had clearly somehow cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code name was Jack. He's a c**t. Why should anyone be surprised. We know exactly what Bournemouth are from their visit here last season and any goodwill towards them from a Stoke perspective well and truly disappeared. Cant say "leave it" or "mine"
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2017 15:40:30 GMT
Because all teams have a code word for "dummy" or "leave it" in that situation and Arter had clearly somehow cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code name was Jack. He's a c**t. Why should anyone be surprised. We know exactly what Bournemouth are from their visit here last season and any goodwill towards them from a Stoke perspective well and truly disappeared. Cant say "leave it" or "mine" Hence why the code for "leave it" is JACK for Watford players. Every team has a code for it. Arter had clearly cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code was "Jack".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:40:59 GMT
Something Walters would do! I find it pretty funny In this case Watford ended up comfortable winners so it doesn't seem a big deal, but I bet you'd find it less funny if a Stoke player was on the receiving end of it at a critical moment in a game. It's snide, dirty play of course I'd be annoyed but I'd find it hilarious if someone had done it for us against Arsenal at the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:42:39 GMT
Used to be called ungentlemanly conduct. Yellow card and indirect free kick. Not sure what it's called now. Cheating. No different to diving. He cheated to gain an advantage so why no retrospective action? This bang on denied a goal scoring opportunity so red card three game ban. Foul pen red card.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 21, 2017 15:44:51 GMT
He's a twat end of
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 21, 2017 15:46:36 GMT
A tactic for players that are not very good in their own right.
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Post by Davef on Aug 21, 2017 15:49:31 GMT
It's actually not that far away from the denial of a clear goalscoring oppotunity. A snide act from a complete shit of a player. Fortunately, it didn't affect the result.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 21, 2017 15:51:38 GMT
If that was me, I'd have sprinted back and snapped the dickhead. What a little twat.
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Post by walrus on Aug 21, 2017 15:57:42 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a total anorak, I've refereed for years and am really clued up on this. Contrary to popular belief, neither shouting 'mine' nor 'leave it' (or anything else) is listed as an offence in its own right. If you don't believe me read Law 12 (fouls and misconduct). Shouting these things, along with many other acts, could be interpreted by the referee as unsporting play, and therefore penalised, but they are not expressly outlawed, and it is therefore down to the referee's interpretation what decision to make. It's essentially a very widespread myth. A lot of players, coaches, and referees at amateur level genuinely don't know the correct rule here. Some coaches also chose to tell young players that it is an offence to shout 'mine' or 'leave it', as it encourages players to put a name on it, which is good practice in any case, and easier than trying to explain the nuance of the actual rule to kids. If you google something like 'shouting mine in football' you will find tons of discussions from referees' forums, all of which reach the above (correct) conclusion. Never realized that. I was raised on the rules that "mine" is a foul, essentially speaking. I don't think I've heard anyone shout mine for a long time either. I was raised on that too. I only found out the truth after I started refereeing and incorrectly ruled out a goal for a 'leave it' shout that in hindsight had no bearing on the play and should have been allowed.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Aug 21, 2017 15:58:56 GMT
Im not sure that we should expect anything different from Bournemouth. They're somehow media darlings, when in reality they're a bunch of snide c%$#s. According to this board every other club is a media darling apart from us & WBA!!!! and Hull, Huddersfield, Burnley and any other working class club that are keeping 'Real' clubs (Wednesday, Leeds, Forest) out of their rightful place in the PL. /s
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 21, 2017 15:59:56 GMT
Arter is a gigantic cunt. Still, it's something I've done on a football pitch so... yeah, I'm a cunt as well.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2017 16:04:21 GMT
It's actually not that far away from the denial of a clear goalscoring oppotunity. A snide act from a complete shit of a player. Fortunately, it didn't affect the result. And it was in the penalty areaπ΅ Would it have been a direct or indirect free kick if the ref had clocked it?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2017 16:06:33 GMT
Arter is a gigantic cunt. Still, it's something I've done on a football pitch so... yeah, I'm a cunt as well. You've gone down in my estimation. I had you down as a straight talking bloke who never tells a lie. π
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 21, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
Arter is a gigantic cunt. Still, it's something I've done on a football pitch so... yeah, I'm a cunt as well. You've gone down in my estimation. I had you down as a straight talking bloke who never tells a lie. π I don't lie, I know a few people who tell me lies though and I get it in the neck for being the middle man
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2017 16:13:39 GMT
You've gone down in my estimation. I had you down as a straight talking bloke who never tells a lie. π I don't lie, I know a few people who tell me lies though and I get it in the neck for being the middle man As in don't shoot the messenger?π You're obviously far too trusting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 16:16:27 GMT
Cheating sly cunt (what else would you say?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 16:16:40 GMT
Cheating sly cunt (what else would you say?)
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