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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2017 16:26:33 GMT
Bobby Charlton, etc......
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Post by walrus on Aug 21, 2017 16:29:51 GMT
It's actually not that far away from the denial of a clear goalscoring oppotunity. A snide act from a complete shit of a player. Fortunately, it didn't affect the result. And it was in the penalty area😵 Would it have been a direct or indirect free kick if the ref had clocked it? Indirect
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2017 16:41:03 GMT
And it was in the penalty area😵 Would it have been a direct or indirect free kick if the ref had clocked it? Indirect Correct. strangely enough nowadays we rarely see indirect free kicks given. Same with " foul throws". A indiect was normaly signaled by the Referee by vertically holding up an arm at the time of the free kick to indicate to the defence and in particular the goalkeeper that a goal could not be scored unless the ball is touched by another player.
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Post by stokiejohn60 on Aug 21, 2017 16:44:08 GMT
I was also at the game at Old Trafford when Bobby Charlton got booked for shouting leave it... This was the only booking of his career and he got it rescinded - so he wasn't booked for it at all !
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 21, 2017 16:45:54 GMT
So....? Who is Jack in Watfords team??? If there isn't anyone, how can it be deemed cheating? If Joe Allen shouts "Rebecca's" when theres no fucker called Rebecca, how is it cheating? Because all teams have a code word for "dummy" or "leave it" in that situation and Arter had clearly somehow cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code name was Jack. He's a c**t. Why should anyone be surprised. We know exactly what Bournemouth are from their visit here last season and any goodwill towards them from a Stoke perspective well and truly disappeared. Ah Ok, makes sense!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2017 17:12:05 GMT
Correct. strangely enough nowadays we rarely see indirect free kicks given.  Same with " foul throws". A indiect was normaly signaled by the Referee by vertically holding up an arm at the time of the free kick to indicate to the defence and in particular the goalkeeper that a goal could not be scored unless the ball is touched by another player. Oh you've started me on foul throws now😡 Fucking Bellerend must have taken 10 throwins on Saturday and not a single one was legal and not a single one was pulled up. One in the second half he had one of his legs in the air like a bastard ballerina and the ref/Lino didn't give it.
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2017 17:19:15 GMT
Correct. strangely enough nowadays we rarely see indirect free kicks given. Same with " foul throws". A indiect was normaly signaled by the Referee by vertically holding up an arm at the time of the free kick to indicate to the defence and in particular the goalkeeper that a goal could not be scored unless the ball is touched by another player. Oh you've started me on foul throws now😡 Fucking Bellerend must have taken 10 throwins on Saturday and not a single one was legal and not a single one was pulled up. One in the second half he had one of his legs in the air like a bastard ballerina and the ref/Lino didn't give it. Like to keep the thread going. ! An informed discussion is good for all, and improved knowledge also improves our enjoyment. Pleased to read your comment as I thought the same for a few of them. It is however quite difficult to describe what is and what is not a foul throw except for the obvious feet of the ground and inside the pitch etc.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 21, 2017 17:22:33 GMT
Unsporting behaviour. a foul and he should have been booked....
However no-one got hurt and he possibly prevented a goal. As an ex-defender I can't help having a grudging respect...and if Huth had done it while playing for us (and we all know its the sort of thing he'd have tried on) it would have only added to the legend...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2017 17:27:10 GMT
Oh you've started me on foul throws now😡 Fucking Bellerend must have taken 10 throwins on Saturday and not a single one was legal and not a single one was pulled up. One in the second half he had one of his legs in the air like a bastard ballerina and the ref/Lino didn't give it. Like to keep the thread going. ! An informed discussion is good for all, and improved knowledge also improves our enjoyment. Pleased to read your comment as I thought the same for a few of them. It is however quite difficult to describe what is and what is not a foul throw except for the obvious feet of the ground and inside the pitch etc. 😃 My understanding is it must leave your hands before it passes over your head. Some of Bellerins he'd still got hold of it when his hands were in front of his chest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 17:29:46 GMT
A bit sly, but I'd put the blame on the attacker for falling for the oldest trick in the book.
Certainly not worth the debate it's been getting, anyone who's seen someone fall for it when playing football as a youth really shouldn't be falling for it in adulthood.
I'm more concerned with the current trend of Goalkeepers playing 'mind games', which are really just tame wasting a la Joe Hart.
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Post by rosco on Aug 21, 2017 17:30:30 GMT
Cant say "leave it" or "mine" Hence why the code for "leave it" is JACK for Watford players. Every team has a code for it. Arter had clearly cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code was "Jack". Jacks is universal for leave it
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Post by rawli on Aug 21, 2017 17:31:23 GMT
Cheating sly cunt (what else would you say?) In this case you'd say 'cheating sly cunt' again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 17:31:27 GMT
Correct. strangely enough nowadays we rarely see indirect free kicks given.  Same with " foul throws". A indiect was normaly signaled by the Referee by vertically holding up an arm at the time of the free kick to indicate to the defence and in particular the goalkeeper that a goal could not be scored unless the ball is touched by another player. Oh you've started me on foul throws now😡 Fucking Bellerend must have taken 10 throwins on Saturday and not a single one was legal and not a single one was pulled up. One in the second half he had one of his legs in the air like a bastard ballerina and the ref/Lino didn't give it. I thought it was only me most of them are standing on the pitch when they take them not behind the line does my head in.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2017 17:34:23 GMT
Hence why the code for "leave it" is JACK for Watford players. Every team has a code for it. Arter had clearly cottoned on to the fact that Watford's code was "Jack". Jacks is universal for leave it It is common, yes, if you are old school but I'm not sure its universal these days. It isn't what stoke use.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 21, 2017 17:38:30 GMT
Correct. strangely enough nowadays we rarely see indirect free kicks given.  Same with " foul throws". A indiect was normaly signaled by the Referee by vertically holding up an arm at the time of the free kick to indicate to the defence and in particular the goalkeeper that a goal could not be scored unless the ball is touched by another player. Oh you've started me on foul throws now😡 Fucking Bellerend must have taken 10 throwins on Saturday and not a single one was legal and not a single one was pulled up. One in the second half he had one of his legs in the air like a bastard ballerina and the ref/Lino didn't give it. I noticed that.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 21, 2017 17:40:43 GMT
If anyone but Harry Arter did it it'd be funny. Because Harry Arter did it he's a cunt and it's bad sportsmanship.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 21, 2017 18:09:47 GMT
When players cheat, it should be called a Bournmouth.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2017 18:11:33 GMT
If anyone but Harry Arter did it it'd be funny. Because Harry Arter did it he's a cunt and it's bad sportsmanship. Fact😂
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Post by walrus on Aug 21, 2017 20:02:26 GMT
As deliberate unsporting behaviour is explicitly against the rules, it is by definition cheating. Granted, we will always see gamesmanship like winning players staying down late in the game, which by the same token you could argue is also cheating, but this was plain, unbridled gaining of an unfair and definite advantage through deliberate unsporting play. IE cheating. I don't think it's that bad to be honest. Out of interest what would you consider to be a bad example of cheating?
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Post by norman conquest on Aug 21, 2017 21:59:12 GMT
If my memory is correct & i am going back along time early seventies in fact did Man utd not have a goal disallowed at old trafford against us for someone shouting leave it. May have been Bobby Charlton telling one of his own players bit different i know but classed as ungentlemanly conduct. Apparently you had to say a name not just leave it. i remember this as the back page of one of the papers i delivered as a paperboy had the headline LEAVE IT and a pic of Bobby combover and loads of writing explaining the rules, turns out he should have said LEAVE IT, BOBBY,S
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Post by StoKeith on Aug 21, 2017 22:09:31 GMT
I can see how it's unsportsmanlike, so I have no problem with the general assent that he should have been booked. My only issue is that it must be pretty hard for the ref to know it's happened especially with all the noise of a football ground and all of the other shouts going on at the time. Was he near to the players at the time or were Watford on the break?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 22, 2017 0:24:38 GMT
I don't think it's that bad to be honest. Out of interest what would you consider to be a bad example of cheating? Cheating is diving, handballing deliberately, taking performance enhancing drugs. What Arter did is something very light in my honest opinion. It's pretty dirty, but it's not really "Cheating". I remember Giggs/Scholes doing a free-kick for Man Utd where they acted like both were going to kick the ball, then faked argued and quickly took it. Not cheating, but pretty cheap/dirty.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Aug 22, 2017 9:51:55 GMT
It's against the rules. It's cheating.
Arter should have been booked and an ID free kick given to Watford.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 10:10:58 GMT
My experience was :-
do it in park football - you get filled in
act of a total scumbag IMHO
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Post by andylgr on Aug 22, 2017 11:47:52 GMT
I got booked doing that in a game once, opposition player runs into corner under a bit of pressure so I shout line ball and he plays it down the line to me and I run away with it. Ref blows up for an indirect free kick and books me for unsporting behaviour.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Aug 22, 2017 11:57:16 GMT
So....? Who is Jack in Watfords team??? If there isn't anyone, how can it be deemed cheating? If Joe Allen shouts "Rebecca's" when theres no fucker called Rebecca, how is it cheating? Well he didn't shout "Harry's" did he? So he was attempting to deceive. Anyway, apparently teams have a word they use to mean "leave it" or "stepover". They don't just shout their name. Arter apparently used Watford's word.
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 22, 2017 11:58:29 GMT
So....? Who is Jack in Watfords team??? If there isn't anyone, how can it be deemed cheating? If Joe Allen shouts "Rebecca's" when theres no fucker called Rebecca, how is it cheating? Well he didn't shout "Harry's" did he? So he was attempting to deceive. Anyway, apparently teams have a word they use to mean "leave it" or "stepover". They don't just shout their name. Arter apparently used Watford's word. Yeah I know mate, Davejohnno explained it after I did say I was being a simpleton!
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Post by walrus on Aug 22, 2017 12:02:20 GMT
Out of interest what would you consider to be a bad example of cheating? Cheating is diving, handballing deliberately, taking performance enhancing drugs. What Arter did is something very light in my honest opinion. It's pretty dirty, but it's not really "Cheating". I remember Giggs/Scholes doing a free-kick for Man Utd where they acted like both were going to kick the ball, then faked argued and quickly took it. Not cheating, but pretty cheap/dirty. Fair enough, but I completely fail to see how diving is any different to this. Both are deliberate attempts to gain an unfair advantage through deception.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 22, 2017 12:06:43 GMT
Cheating is diving, handballing deliberately, taking performance enhancing drugs. What Arter did is something very light in my honest opinion. It's pretty dirty, but it's not really "Cheating". I remember Giggs/Scholes doing a free-kick for Man Utd where they acted like both were going to kick the ball, then faked argued and quickly took it. Not cheating, but pretty cheap/dirty. Fair enough, but I completely fail to see how diving is any different to this. Both are deliberate attempts to gain an unfair advantage through deception. Diving is feigning injury or feigning contact to win a penalty. All Arter did was call for it and Chabo left it. It was really dirty, but I just can't put it down as "Cheating" You'd think you would know what your team-mates sound like as well, but then again in the heat of the moment it works differently. I think it's rare that most players will dummy a pass though so I can't see it happening too many times.
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Post by walrus on Aug 22, 2017 12:47:40 GMT
Fair enough, but I completely fail to see how diving is any different to this. Both are deliberate attempts to gain an unfair advantage through deception. Diving is feigning injury or feigning contact to win a penalty. All Arter did was call for it and Chabo left it. It was really dirty, but I just can't put it down as "Cheating" You'd think you would know what your team-mates sound like as well, but then again in the heat of the moment it works differently. I think it's rare that most players will dummy a pass though so I can't see it happening too many times. Okay, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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