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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 11:49:11 GMT
How do you know it's a large proportion? Have you spoken to the 20k season ticket holders individually. Have you spoken to us all? That's pure speculation. Alster what are you on? The signings we are making are dream land Hughes has reacted to a disappointing season by shaking things up and signing some top top players that i don't think anyone would have anticipated at the end of last season Of course results on the field will be the true test but its going to be an interesting and hopefully an exciting season You obviously dream about very different things to me, about the only thing I'd agree with is that we were in need of a major shake-up. I don't know whether it will be successful but it was definitely not what I would have dreamed of.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 11:57:36 GMT
How do you know it's a large proportion? Have you spoken to the 20k season ticket holders individually. Have you spoken to us all? That's pure speculation. You obviously don't understand the meaning of a large proportion. For your information it doesn't mean everybody or a majority of, it means a significant proportion ie not a few dozen. If you find that hard to believe you're either in cloud cuckoo land or living under a brick. No I have a fair idea of what a large proportion is so unless you've spoken to a few thousand fans on what their opinions are then you can't really state that
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 12:12:48 GMT
You obviously don't understand the meaning of a large proportion. For your information it doesn't mean everybody or a majority of, it means a significant proportion ie not a few dozen. If you find that hard to believe you're either in cloud cuckoo land or living under a brick. No I have a fair idea of what a large proportion is so unless you've spoken to a few thousand fans on what their opinions are then you can't really state that I've said it. You're being precious because it doesn't fit with your opinion. If you think everything's hunky dorey that's just fine with me, you are in a minority of Stoke fans I know but I've no intention of claiming you are one of a few dozen lunatics.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 12:19:31 GMT
No I have a fair idea of what a large proportion is so unless you've spoken to a few thousand fans on what their opinions are then you can't really state that I've said it. You're being precious because it doesn't fit with your opinion. If you think everything's hunky dorey that's just fine with me, you are in a minority of Stoke fans I know but I've no intention of claiming you are one of a few dozen lunatics. Have I said everything's hunky dorey? I don't believe I ever have. What I have an issue with is people warping facts to fit their own agenda. The stuff I've read such as Coates family are richer than Abramovich and now "a large proportion" are very worried. Again you're twisting facts. I haven't stated anything is hunky dorey but you're claiming that I have. You claim about knowing what a large proportion of fans are thinking without actually speaking to a minimum id say 3000 fans to gauge their opinion. You claim I'm in a minority of Stoke fans. A minority of what? Fans who are genuinely satisfied with what has been done but hoping that we sign another centre forward and holding midfielder? If that's a minority I would be amazed
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 17, 2017 12:27:33 GMT
Can somebody define the 'ambition' that they're banging on about? How exactly do the club demonstrate 'ambition'? Is it purely by the amount of money we spend, the type of player we go after, or both? Swansea spent over £50m last season, largely on a load of shit. They almost went down. Were they ambitious, and therefore should we applaud them? Palace spent £90m and again, were wank. Were they ambitious, or idiots? Watford spent £60m. I could go on. Spending massive amounts of cash on players, for us and clubs around us, is always a gamble because we can't go after the very top talent. Therefore almost every transfer is a risk. Given that we over the past few seasons, and those listed above (plus many others) have spent stupid amounts of cash just to fight over 8th to 17th places, I think it makes sense that a few clubs might think that there must be a better way. I would rather we try to recruit in a smart way than just trying to outbid our peers for average players. I'd also like to think that, if we have a decent season, we are seen as an example of a club who can buck the perceived trend that you 'have to spend to compete' by recruiting differently. They spend 50-90 million but at least the players are there to sell on, we spent 18 million to progress other clubs players now tell me the waste
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2017 18:45:50 GMT
I don't want him to tbh. I'd rather we played the players we own. We got promoted 9 years ago on the strength of players " we didn't own " You've lost me ? Yeah and 9 years later on the Premier League gravy we're scared of paying a decent fee. 9 years ago is irrelevant to the situation we're now. We had 2 years to get up and took a flier. A short term win was needed. We should be better than that now . It short termism at its worst.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2017 18:47:42 GMT
First of all I mean as an established PL side. What came before was in a different era. These loans wreak of doing things on the cheap and are lesson in short termism. Have to disagree. BMI was a good move. These too. BMI had a purchase option........ Ish 😂
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Post by werrington on Aug 17, 2017 18:49:06 GMT
We got promoted 9 years ago on the strength of players " we didn't own " You've lost me ? Yeah and 9 years later on the Premier League gravy we're scared of paying a decent fee. 9 years ago is irrelevant to the situation we're now. We had 2 years to get up and took a flier. A short term win was needed. We should be better than that now . It short termism at its worst. So you agreed with it back then ? Cmon Bayern it's either something you agree with or you don't ...it's not a tap that can be turned on and off
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Post by Northy on Aug 17, 2017 18:52:10 GMT
jesus lads they only exist by getting under peoples skin so they are dumb enough to ring in and have a rant, there only argument today was that big spend equals big success, we all know how that can work out dont we listen to them by all means but dont be surprised if their bullshit gets under your skin because its supposed to exactly, how many trophies did oil rich state owned big spending Man Citeh win last season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2017 18:53:12 GMT
Yeah and 9 years later on the Premier League gravy we're scared of paying a decent fee. 9 years ago is irrelevant to the situation we're now. We had 2 years to get up and took a flier. A short term win was needed. We should be better than that now . It short termism at its worst. So you agreed with it back then ? Cmon Bayern it's either something you agree with or you don't ...it's not a tap that can be turned on and off Not everything is black and white is it. As I've explained the situations are massively different and the situation then had no bearing on the one now. We're in a position where we shouldn't be begging clubs for loans.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 17, 2017 18:54:02 GMT
Adrian durham's disrespectful comments about a stoke he doesn't know. Granted stoke town centre is a shithole, but so is white hart lane and the surrounding areas of Edmonton & Enfield - the only decent parts of London is the centre and there are no football teams there. London is like an Alina planet these days with Asians and Arabs owning most of the hotels- at least in Staffordshire we have more grass roots English
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Post by Northy on Aug 17, 2017 18:54:46 GMT
No I have a fair idea of what a large proportion is so unless you've spoken to a few thousand fans on what their opinions are then you can't really state that I've said it. You're being precious because it doesn't fit with your opinion. If you think everything's hunky dorey that's just fine with me, you are in a minority of Stoke fans I know but I've no intention of claiming you are one of a few dozen lunatics. the moaners like you are in a minority, they are just like a stuck record that it seems theres loads of the miserable fookers everywhere.
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Post by Linx on Aug 17, 2017 18:59:10 GMT
Much as we deride it, Talksport is quite a professional, slick operation. They will have researchers trawling the message boards of all the Premier League clubs, identifying subjects that are being debated by the clubs' fans. They then work out which buttons to press and give them to the biggest button pusher of them all, Mr Durham.
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 19:06:13 GMT
I've said it. You're being precious because it doesn't fit with your opinion. If you think everything's hunky dorey that's just fine with me, you are in a minority of Stoke fans I know but I've no intention of claiming you are one of a few dozen lunatics. the moaners like you are in a minority, they are just like a stuck record that it seems theres loads of the miserable fookers everywhere. Strange that it seems the other way around to me. Most fans I speak to wonder what the hell is going on at the club and whether the owners are taking as much money as possible out before selling.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 19:11:00 GMT
To be fair all this talk of what we have and haven't spent is a moot point until after the transfer window. If the club do spend big it's going to make the moaners look pretty stupid, if we don't then well we will all be wondering what's going on
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Post by pyrus on Aug 17, 2017 19:12:39 GMT
the moaners like you are in a minority, they are just like a stuck record that it seems theres loads of the miserable fookers everywhere. Strange that it seems the other way around to me. Most fans I speak to wonder what the hell is going on at the club and whether the owners are taking as much money as possible out before selling. We know, you keep saying it.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 17, 2017 19:18:58 GMT
I would like to say that I am very happy the way the close season has gone.
The club has had a significant turn over of players and brought in some real quality. We have kept some senior professionals to maintain a degree of stability.
I think the pre-season was very productive, giving the loan outs from last season a chance and young players.
Off the playing field the club has stood by those players who have had injury problems, let those leave that wanted to go or wanted more playing time (good luck to them), stood out against Porto's demands for Indi, and been very shrewd financially so that they are still in a strong position to spend if the right opportunities arise. The investment in the fixed assets has progressed with the biggest improvements ever in the stadium.
Everything in the garden is far from perfect. I'm confident we are a lot stronger defensively, but we still have find a way to score goals. There are still positions that need strengthening, but I am confident the club will do their best to attract the players we need.
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 19:21:40 GMT
To be fair all this talk of what we have and haven't spent is a moot point until after the transfer window. If the club do spend big it's going to make the moaners look pretty stupid, if we don't then well we will all be wondering what's going on Why does it make you look pretty stupid? It just makes you wrong. These moaners you like to go on about are just Stoke fans saying what they see. Theres one thing for certain there will definitely be no point in moaning once the window is closed. The only debate then is how to make the best of what you've got.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 19:38:12 GMT
To be fair all this talk of what we have and haven't spent is a moot point until after the transfer window. If the club do spend big it's going to make the moaners look pretty stupid, if we don't then well we will all be wondering what's going on Why does it make you look pretty stupid? It just makes you wrong. These moaners you like to go on about are just Stoke fans saying what they see. Theres one thing for certain there will definitely be no point in moaning once the window is closed. The only debate then is how to make the best of what you've got. Hahahaha how does it make me look stupid. I haven't made any outrageous statements like knowing what a large proportion of the fans think or suggesting that the Coates family are thinking of selling. As I've stated many times my expectations are that we are competitive come Saturday and maybe put together a cup run. I look at what we're doing now in a positive light because what choice is there? Sit and moan my bollocks off to no prevail or enjoy being in the premier league whilst we are there. We could get relegated this season, it might not be for another 20. But stuff it, life goes on and even if we do get relegated the good times will come round again. They always do
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 19:52:51 GMT
Why does it make you look pretty stupid? It just makes you wrong. These moaners you like to go on about are just Stoke fans saying what they see. Theres one thing for certain there will definitely be no point in moaning once the window is closed. The only debate then is how to make the best of what you've got. Hahahaha how does it make me look stupid. I haven't made any outrageous statements like knowing what a large proportion of the fans think or suggesting that the Coates family are thinking of selling. As I've stated many times my expectations are that we are competitive come Saturday and maybe put together a cup run. I look at what we're doing now in a positive light because what choice is there? Sit and moan my bollocks off to no prevail or enjoy being in the premier league whilst we are there. We could get relegated this season, it might not be for another 20. But stuff it, life goes on and even if we do get relegated the good times will come round again. They always do Yes I know a large proportion of our fans are concerned by the clubs cheapskate activity. You can deny it set arbitrary figures that must be canvassed to satisfy you it is a large enough proportion to be called large but you are really just burying your head in the sand trying to block out reality. As for them selling its nothing more than a possible theory to explain the cheapskate activity that I've heard several posters suggest I don't know how seriously, that's what happens when you behave in a peculiar manner and fail to explain it people jump to their own conclusions. What choice do you have? well if you are going to sit there and type stuff you might as well type what you actually think and accept that you might be wrong and other people will think differently. Happy clapping doesn't make you enjoy being in the Premier League any more than anyone else if we did go down life goes on and people will still form opinions on what the club gets up to then as well.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 20:04:20 GMT
Hahahaha how does it make me look stupid. I haven't made any outrageous statements like knowing what a large proportion of the fans think or suggesting that the Coates family are thinking of selling. As I've stated many times my expectations are that we are competitive come Saturday and maybe put together a cup run. I look at what we're doing now in a positive light because what choice is there? Sit and moan my bollocks off to no prevail or enjoy being in the premier league whilst we are there. We could get relegated this season, it might not be for another 20. But stuff it, life goes on and even if we do get relegated the good times will come round again. They always do Yes I know a large proportion of our fans are concerned by the clubs cheapskate activity. You can deny it set arbitrary figures that must be canvassed to satisfy you it is a large enough proportion to be called large but you are really just burying your head in the sand trying to block out reality. As for them selling its nothing more than a possible theory to explain the cheapskate activity that I've heard several posters suggest I don't know how seriously, that's what happens when you behave in a peculiar manner and fail to explain it people jump to their own conclusions. What choice do you have? well if you are going to sit there and type stuff you might as well type what you actually think and accept that you might be wrong and other people will think differently. Happy clapping doesn't make you enjoy being in the Premier League any more than anyone else if we did go down life goes on and people will still form opinions on what the club gets up to then as well. Who said I was happy clapping? I just refuse to moan about stuff that I have absolutely no control over. I can't control who we do or don't buy. I can't control how much investment the Coates family will or won't put in. What I can do is listen to what they are saying. They are saying that they want the club to be self sustainable and they are visibly working towards that. They have also stated that they won't buy anybody who won't improve the first eleven which again to me makes sense. What I won't do is make up stupid theories that they are thinking of selling, Coates is stuck in the eighties and football has passed him by and claim to know what a "large proportion" of fans think. What I will do is reserve judgment on their spending until the end of the window, because for me so far the players we have brought in cheaply have been more successful than the expensive ones.
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 20:13:41 GMT
Yes I know a large proportion of our fans are concerned by the clubs cheapskate activity. You can deny it set arbitrary figures that must be canvassed to satisfy you it is a large enough proportion to be called large but you are really just burying your head in the sand trying to block out reality. As for them selling its nothing more than a possible theory to explain the cheapskate activity that I've heard several posters suggest I don't know how seriously, that's what happens when you behave in a peculiar manner and fail to explain it people jump to their own conclusions. What choice do you have? well if you are going to sit there and type stuff you might as well type what you actually think and accept that you might be wrong and other people will think differently. Happy clapping doesn't make you enjoy being in the Premier League any more than anyone else if we did go down life goes on and people will still form opinions on what the club gets up to then as well. Who said I was happy clapping? I just refuse to moan about stuff that I have absolutely no control over. I can't control who we do or don't buy. I can't control how much investment the Coates family will or won't put in. What I can do is listen to what they are saying. They are saying that they want the club to be self sustainable and they are visibly working towards that. They have also stated that they won't buy anybody who won't improve the first eleven which again to me makes sense. What I won't do is make up stupid theories that they are thinking of selling, Coates is stuck in the eighties and football has passed him by and claim to know what a "large proportion" of fans think. What I will do is reserve judgment on their spending until the end of the window, because for me so far the players we have brought in cheaply have been more successful than the expensive ones. The club has been self sustaining for the past 3 years over and we have still managed to invest £20M+ in the squad each season. This Summer is a different kettle of fish altogether our transfer dealings are heavily in the black so whats happening to the money are the owners taking it out of the club. Its a simple question if they answered it, it would stop people coming to their own conclusions.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 20:16:49 GMT
Who said I was happy clapping? I just refuse to moan about stuff that I have absolutely no control over. I can't control who we do or don't buy. I can't control how much investment the Coates family will or won't put in. What I can do is listen to what they are saying. They are saying that they want the club to be self sustainable and they are visibly working towards that. They have also stated that they won't buy anybody who won't improve the first eleven which again to me makes sense. What I won't do is make up stupid theories that they are thinking of selling, Coates is stuck in the eighties and football has passed him by and claim to know what a "large proportion" of fans think. What I will do is reserve judgment on their spending until the end of the window, because for me so far the players we have brought in cheaply have been more successful than the expensive ones. The club has been self sustaining for the past 3 years over and we have still managed to invest £20M+ in the squad each season. This Summer is a different kettle of fish altogether our transfer dealings are heavily in the black so whats happening to the money are the owners taking it out of the club. Its a simple question if they answered it, it would stop people coming to their own conclusions. And like I said, the lack of investment at this moment in time is a moot point until the end of the window. They might spend nothing more and then people, myself included, will be disappointed. They could in turn sign a few players and spend. They're hardly likely to announce it are They?
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2017 20:20:59 GMT
The club has been self sustaining for the past 3 years over and we have still managed to invest £20M+ in the squad each season. This Summer is a different kettle of fish altogether our transfer dealings are heavily in the black so whats happening to the money are the owners taking it out of the club. Its a simple question if they answered it, it would stop people coming to their own conclusions. And like I said, the lack of investment at this moment in time is a moot point until the end of the window. They might spend nothing more and then people, myself included, will be disappointed. They could in turn sign a few players and spend. They're hardly likely to announce it are They? No I don't suppose they would but then they should understand when some of their own fans and the media question their level of investment. They may go on to prove any doubters wrong, they often do. When they do people will shut up.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 20:24:39 GMT
And like I said, the lack of investment at this moment in time is a moot point until the end of the window. They might spend nothing more and then people, myself included, will be disappointed. They could in turn sign a few players and spend. They're hardly likely to announce it are They? No I don't suppose they would but then they should understand when some of their own fans and the media question their level of investment. They may go on to prove any doubters wrong, they often do. When they do people will shut up. Exactly and that's my point. It's like moaning that your Mrs doesn't give you enough to get home and find out she's raided Ann Summers. Or she's in bed with the milkman.
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Post by philb on Aug 17, 2017 20:33:34 GMT
Why does it make you look pretty stupid? It just makes you wrong. These moaners you like to go on about are just Stoke fans saying what they see. Theres one thing for certain there will definitely be no point in moaning once the window is closed. The only debate then is how to make the best of what you've got. Hahahaha how does it make me look stupid. I haven't made any outrageous statements like knowing what a large proportion of the fans think or suggesting that the Coates family are thinking of selling. As I've stated many times my expectations are that we are competitive come Saturday and maybe put together a cup run. I look at what we're doing now in a positive light because what choice is there? Sit and moan my bollocks off to no prevail or enjoy being in the premier league whilst we are there. We could get relegated this season, it might not be for another 20. But stuff it, life goes on and even if we do get relegated the good times will come round again. They always do Unfortunately there's a fair few on here who want to do just what you say 'sit and moan their bollocks off' There's no reasoning with these people, its not an argument it's an agenda with some of them. They need to get out more and realise we're still a PL club after 9 seasons and whilst everything's not perfect (and never will be) we should all just enjoy the ride good or bad.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 20:42:35 GMT
Hahahaha how does it make me look stupid. I haven't made any outrageous statements like knowing what a large proportion of the fans think or suggesting that the Coates family are thinking of selling. As I've stated many times my expectations are that we are competitive come Saturday and maybe put together a cup run. I look at what we're doing now in a positive light because what choice is there? Sit and moan my bollocks off to no prevail or enjoy being in the premier league whilst we are there. We could get relegated this season, it might not be for another 20. But stuff it, life goes on and even if we do get relegated the good times will come round again. They always do Unfortunately there's a fair few on here who want to do just what you say 'sit and moan their bollocks off' There's no reasoning with these people, its not an argument it's an agenda with some of them. They need to get out more and realise we're still a PL club after 9 seasons and whilst everything's not perfect (and never will be) we should all just enjoy the ride good or bad. 100% agree. It seems that some fans think we have a god given right to be in this league and transfers are as simple as football manager
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 17, 2017 21:22:49 GMT
Adrian durham's disrespectful comments about a stoke he doesn't know. Granted stoke town centre is a shithole, but so is white hart lane and the surrounding areas of Edmonton & Enfield - the only decent parts of London is the centre and there are no football teams there. London is like an Alina planet these days with Asians and Arabs owning most of the hotels- at least in Staffordshire we have more grass roots English Stoke town centre may be a shit hole, but IT IS OUR SHITHOLE. Some southern toss pot has no right to disrespect us or our city on national media. As posted earlier Talk Sport are undoubtedly trawling the Oatcake and other forums and pressing all the right buttons to cause controversy. There has been so much negative rubbish posted on here over the last few weeks, they are merely regurgitating it. In short shoddy journalism. Think Talk Sport, think Daily Star or the Sun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 21:26:33 GMT
Talk Sport? Talk Shit more like...
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 17, 2017 21:29:48 GMT
Adrian durham's disrespectful comments about a stoke he doesn't know. Granted stoke town centre is a shithole, but so is white hart lane and the surrounding areas of Edmonton & Enfield - the only decent parts of London is the centre and there are no football teams there. London is like an Alina planet these days with Asians and Arabs owning most of the hotels- at least in Staffordshire we have more grass roots English Stoke town centre may be a shit hole, but IT IS OUR SHITHOLE. Some southern toss pot has no right to disrespect us or our city on national media. As posted earlier Talk Sport are undoubtedly trawling the Oatcake and other forums and pressing all the right buttons to cause controversy. There has been so much negative rubbish posted on here over the last few weeks, they are merely regurgitating it. In short shoddy journalism. Think Talk Sport, think Daily Star or the Sun. I used to work for them. I know that is exactly what they do
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