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Post by riponstokie on Aug 16, 2017 17:34:34 GMT
I'm surprised how people are rubbishing the criticism we are currently under. We have been in decline for 2 seasons, playing increasingly poorly and the good progress Hughes made has been undone. The sporadic transfer dealings have been bizarre, with Hughes being like a kid in a toy shop, buying all the players he likes, with no idea how to play them together.
Now, having sold much of the old guard, who Hughes always leans on when in trouble, and selling Arnie, I am concerned. I genuinely don't believe Hughes can get our squad playing the way he wants, and get results. We will look planless, lacking any identity and have to rely on going direct to Crouch.
What moron plays a wingback system without one wingback, and the fact we haven't already got a couple in by the second game of the season, is just pathetic.
Don't wanna be too negative, but I do fear for us, we are in decline, and we need at least another 3/4 to turn our sorry state around.
Hope I'm proved wrong and sparky makes it work.
UTMP.
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Post by Gods on Aug 16, 2017 17:35:31 GMT
I reckon the best/only way to counter this is to get some points on the board quick-smart then have a go back
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Post by alster on Aug 16, 2017 17:38:27 GMT
Our out goings are more than that to date. Bruno 7.5 m , jese whole package 10m, Zouma whole package 7m. No player is free Tymon, Fletcher and Choupo there will have been costs . Yes but if you lumped everyone elses wages onto their spending we'd still look like we were not investing anywhere near as much as the clubs around us, thats what you're doing with Zouma and Jese even though I haven't heard the £10M before.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Aug 16, 2017 18:05:05 GMT
jesus lads they only exist by getting under peoples skin so they are dumb enough to ring in and have a rant, there only argument today was that big spend equals big success, we all know how that can work out dont we listen to them by all means but dont be surprised if their bullshit gets under your skin because its supposed to I like talksport. Listened to it for years but it has always been a provocative station ever since the days of talk radio and james whale. Durham's show in particular is there to wind folk up in parts. He rips arsenal on a daily basis. You'll probably find deep down he has a lot of respect for stoke or maybe he is still sore from paul ware nearly bursting their net to deny them their big day. Whichever you've got to take it all with a pinch of salt. I still think we'll spend money so let's see where the ambition lies on august 31.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 16, 2017 18:27:09 GMT
I hope Durham gets hit by a van the fucking cabbage. Hopefully one from vanarama with two cockney builders inside on their way back from tradepoint. Oh the irony.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 18:31:05 GMT
Hang down your head John Butler. Hang down your head in shame!
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 18:32:23 GMT
jesus lads they only exist by getting under peoples skin so they are dumb enough to ring in and have a rant, there only argument today was that big spend equals big success, we all know how that can work out dont we listen to them by all means but dont be surprised if their bullshit gets under your skin because its supposed to I like talksport. Listened to it for years but it has always been a provocative station ever since the days of talk radio and james whale. Durham's show in particular is there to wind folk up in parts. He rips arsenal on a daily basis. You'll probably find deep down he has a lot of respect for stoke or maybe he is still sore from paul ware nearly bursting their net to deny them their big day. Whichever you've got to take it all with a pinch of salt. I still think we'll spend money so let's see where the ambition lies on august 31. It wasn't so much what Durham was saying, having worked for the same company and having met him he's actually a too bloke. It was more the negativity from the two stoke fans calling in. Don't understand why fans are so pessimistic right now
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 16, 2017 18:33:26 GMT
I listened a couple of times and this is their script. They say some controversial nonsense and then persue an argumentative narrative. Well done to any who can listen to it because it's contrived tripe which I just don't have the patience for.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 18:50:03 GMT
Hang down your head John Butler. Hang down your head in shame! I know I know. It's that or Signal Radio. I'd rather listen to Fatima Whitbreads fanny farts than signal!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 18:53:18 GMT
It is designed for white van man - working and living inside the M25
pure and simple
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Post by sting on Aug 16, 2017 19:01:38 GMT
If we have spent £17m on two loan signings then that is very strange business indeed. No resale value, dead money. Almost suggests we're scared of long term commitment and neither are likely to hang around. Where are the building blocks?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 16, 2017 19:03:51 GMT
5live on about us after 8
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 19:07:42 GMT
If we have spent £17m on two loan signings then that is very strange business indeed. No resale value, dead money. Almost suggests we're scared of long term commitment and neither are likely to hang around. Where are the building blocks? The building blocks is the investment in youth. Develop them and sell them on for big money like how Southampton have done
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 16, 2017 19:08:54 GMT
I'm actually quite liking everyone writing us off and talking boatloads of shit about us. I don't want fans of other clubs to like us, and I'm quite happy for us to be written off by the pundits.
what I don't like is the massive amount of utter bell-ends from our own fan base who seem hell bent on slagging us off far more than any media pundits or opposition fans. The amount of bile already being spewed by some of our "supporters" is moronic. I think a few people have forgotten just how good we have it and just how far we've come over the last ten years. We now have fans who think we should be competing for the best talent across Europe by spending exorbitant amounts of money. That's not ambition, it's unsustainable financial suicide.
We've got a very decent squad, perhaps two or three signings short of having a genuine crack at the top eight, and the potential for decent cup runs. There's still plenty of time left to bring new players in, and we've got a health transfer balance after shifting out some players who needed to move on. I don't understand all the negativity one bit, especially given that the worst of it is coming from our own fans.
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 16, 2017 19:08:58 GMT
Every one around football knows u need to spend more then what we do to stay competitive. That's why there are saying what they are saying and if it Carey's on we will go down . And guess what we will go down as we'll . Coates comments after his statement back to the media gets capped off with we spend to much ! So clearly he wants to reduce it even more . So every one else in the media and footballing world is wrong . And Coates is right ffs . Wake up Coates and Hughes have taken this club as far as they can they both need to go before we end up going down
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 16, 2017 19:11:52 GMT
Every one around football knows u need to spend more then what we do to stay competitive. That's why there are saying what they are saying and if it Carey's on we will go down . And guess what we will go down as we'll . Coates comments after his statement back to the media gets capped off with we spend to much ! So clearly he wants to reduce it even more . So every one else in the media and footballing world is wrong . And Coates is right ffs . Wake up Coates and Hughes have taken this club as far as they can they both need to go before we end up going down Broken Britain.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 16, 2017 19:13:55 GMT
Every one around football knows u need to spend more then what we do to stay competitive. That's why there are saying what they are saying and if it Carey's on we will go down . And guess what we will go down as we'll . Coates comments after his statement back to the media gets capped off with we spend to much ! So clearly he wants to reduce it even more . So every one else in the media and footballing world is wrong . And Coates is right ffs . Wake up Coates and Hughes have taken this club as far as they can they both need to go before we end up going down Which country do you come from?
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 16, 2017 19:15:53 GMT
Who's surprised with embarrassing fucking videos like we put out.
Our lack of and terrible spending over successive windows.
Or our allowance for Savage to humiliate us in public.
The club have managed our reputation and identity terribly. Truly awful
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 16, 2017 19:17:20 GMT
Unfortunately they have a point to some degree. Ok they make it in the typical wind up, shock joc, way but none the less. The loan signing of Jese from PSG is a short term decision of the highest order ( if we lack a right to buy option , which it seems is the case ). I'm finding it very hard to see what Hughes is up to and am suspicious that he does too. I mean, quite obviously he doesn't trust Berahino ( not exactly a surprise, unfortunately ) and yet he waits to the last minute to loan a replacement. Plus our other summer business has been rather surprising and not in a good way either. I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong but it seems that something isn't right at the club.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 16, 2017 19:25:41 GMT
Who's surprised with embarrassing fucking videos like we put out. Our lack of and terrible spending over successive windows. Or our allowance for Savage to humiliate us in public. The club have managed our reputation and identity terribly. Truly awful Im embarrassed for you.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 16, 2017 19:25:42 GMT
Can somebody define the 'ambition' that they're banging on about? How exactly do the club demonstrate 'ambition'? Is it purely by the amount of money we spend, the type of player we go after, or both?
Swansea spent over £50m last season, largely on a load of shit. They almost went down. Were they ambitious, and therefore should we applaud them? Palace spent £90m and again, were wank. Were they ambitious, or idiots? Watford spent £60m. I could go on.
Spending massive amounts of cash on players, for us and clubs around us, is always a gamble because we can't go after the very top talent. Therefore almost every transfer is a risk. Given that we over the past few seasons, and those listed above (plus many others) have spent stupid amounts of cash just to fight over 8th to 17th places, I think it makes sense that a few clubs might think that there must be a better way. I would rather we try to recruit in a smart way than just trying to outbid our peers for average players. I'd also like to think that, if we have a decent season, we are seen as an example of a club who can buck the perceived trend that you 'have to spend to compete' by recruiting differently.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 16, 2017 19:27:45 GMT
I could tell in 20 minutes that Choupo has more skill than Arnie and Arnie is the only good player we lost. The rest of the players we sent packing are crap. Somehow the sky is falling though...
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 16, 2017 19:28:06 GMT
Can somebody define the 'ambition' that they're banging on about? How exactly do the club demonstrate 'ambition'? Is it purely by the amount of money we spend, the type of player we go after, or both? Swansea spent over £50m last season, largely on a load of shit. They almost went down. Were they ambitious, and therefore should we applaud them? Palace spent £90m and again, were wank. Were they ambitious, or idiots? Watford spent £60m. I could go on. Spending massive amounts of cash on players, for us and clubs around us, is always a gamble because we can't go after the very top talent. Therefore almost every transfer is a risk. Given that we over the past few seasons, and those listed above (plus many others) have spent stupid amounts of cash just to fight over 8th to 17th places, I think it makes sense that a few clubs might think that there must be a better way. I would rather we try to recruit in a smart way than just trying to outbid our peers for average players. I'd also like to think that, if we have a decent season, we are seen as an example of a club who can buck the perceived trend that you 'have to spend to compete' by recruiting differently. Ambition if these gambles pay off and embarrassing if they don't. Easy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 19:38:50 GMT
TalkPork are just that, tripe.
They have to be dramatic and catastrophise every blip, every pothole in any team.
They see us in transition, get "crushed" one nil to a £200m team, read some discontent on Twitter and milk it like a feeding frenzy
They HAVE to use hyperbole to make it seem interesting, to grab attention and then invite callers who they screen to support or challenge their stance
They are in full control of their debate and shape it to fit their editorial stance designed to drum up attention, ratings and associated revenue through advertising. It's so transparent
Anyway they are only turning to us because the big 6 ain't playing, it's midweek and they're saving their juice for the other 19 teams for the weekend. We are filler, an after thought in their programming
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Post by byronpotter on Aug 16, 2017 19:39:56 GMT
I'm actually quite liking everyone writing us off and talking boatloads of shit about us. I don't want fans of other clubs to like us, and I'm quite happy for us to be written off by the pundits. what I don't like is the massive amount of utter bell-ends from our own fan base who seem hell bent on slagging us off far more than any media pundits or opposition fans. The amount of bile already being spewed by some of our "supporters" is moronic. I think a few people have forgotten just how good we have it and just how far we've come over the last ten years. We now have fans who think we should be competing for the best talent across Europe by spending exorbitant amounts of money. That's not ambition, it's unsustainable financial suicide. We've got a very decent squad, perhaps two or three signings short of having a genuine crack at the top eight, and the potential for decent cup runs. There's still plenty of time left to bring new players in, and we've got a health transfer balance after shifting out some players who needed to move on. I don't understand all the negativity one bit, especially given that the worst of it is coming from our own fans. Well said that man!
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 16, 2017 19:41:16 GMT
Every one around football knows u need to spend more then what we do to stay competitive. That's why there are saying what they are saying and if it Carey's on we will go down . And guess what we will go down as we'll . Coates comments after his statement back to the media gets capped off with we spend to much ! So clearly he wants to reduce it even more . So every one else in the media and footballing world is wrong . And Coates is right ffs . Wake up Coates and Hughes have taken this club as far as they can they both need to go before we end up going down 14/15 Sunderland spent £20m - finished 16th... We spent £1.6m, finished 9th 15/16 Sunderland spent £60m - finished 17th... We spent £48m, finished 9th 16/17 Sunderland spent £38m - finished 20th... We spent £35m, finished 13th By your logic I don't understand why Sunderland haven't finished above us each season. Why weren't they competitive?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 19:42:24 GMT
I like talksport. Listened to it for years but it has always been a provocative station ever since the days of talk radio and james whale. Durham's show in particular is there to wind folk up in parts. He rips arsenal on a daily basis. You'll probably find deep down he has a lot of respect for stoke or maybe he is still sore from paul ware nearly bursting their net to deny them their big day. Whichever you've got to take it all with a pinch of salt. I still think we'll spend money so let's see where the ambition lies on august 31. It wasn't so much what Durham was saying, having worked for the same company and having met him he's actually a TOOL OF A bloke. It was more the negativity from the two stoke fans calling in. Don't understand why fans are so pessimistic right now edited just for you 😬😇
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 16, 2017 19:45:01 GMT
Every one around football knows u need to spend more then what we do to stay competitive. That's why there are saying what they are saying and if it Carey's on we will go down . And guess what we will go down as we'll . Coates comments after his statement back to the media gets capped off with we spend to much ! So clearly he wants to reduce it even more . So every one else in the media and footballing world is wrong . And Coates is right ffs . Wake up Coates and Hughes have taken this club as far as they can they both need to go before we end up going down 14/15 Sunderland spent £20m - finished 16th... We spent £1.6m, finished 9th 15/16 Sunderland spent £60m - finished 17th... We spent £48m, finished 9th 16/17 Sunderland spent £38m - finished 20th... We spent £35m, finished 13th By your logic I don't understand why Sunderland haven't finished above us each season. Why weren't they competitive? wow we keep spending less in 5 years we will spend 0
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 16, 2017 19:46:44 GMT
I hope Durham gets hit by a van the fucking cabbage. Hopefully one from vanarama with two cockney builders inside on their way back from tradepoint. Oh the irony. Pisser mate.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 16, 2017 19:47:58 GMT
14/15 Sunderland spent £20m - finished 16th... We spent £1.6m, finished 9th 15/16 Sunderland spent £60m - finished 17th... We spent £48m, finished 9th 16/17 Sunderland spent £38m - finished 20th... We spent £35m, finished 13th By your logic I don't understand why Sunderland haven't finished above us each season. Why weren't they competitive? wow we keep spending less in 5 years we will spend 0 Can't answer my question then?
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