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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 21:52:18 GMT
"It should be free" We're doing them the favour.
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Post by premrandallsbday on Aug 16, 2017 21:52:36 GMT
I had misfortune to hear this today - typical Durham. I was going to call in because he'd totally missed the point - it's not about what you spend but the quality of the player you bring in. Who knows....unless you're dining at the table of the Lukaku type of transfer fee there's no correlation between the fee paid and the player you get. If we bring in players on a free or on loan it doesn't matter if they perform and gel....likewise you can, like Watford, spend millions on obscure Colombians with no guarantee on how they turn out.
Remember when we brought Arnie in - he was "damaged goods" too, which was the criticism levelled at Jesé Rodriquez by Durham today. Mario Ballatelli even described Arnie as a nutter....and yet look how he turned out (until his head was turned by his agent/brother)
I was going to phone in - then I thought why waste my valuable time
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 16, 2017 21:53:22 GMT
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 21:59:31 GMT
"It should be free" We're doing them the favour. Can you genuinely not understand why a loan isn't beneficial to both parties or are you an a wind up?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
We're doing them the favour. Can you genuinely not understand why a loan isn't beneficial to both parties or are you an a wind up? How many times? I don't think we should be doing loans if they don't have a buying clause. They serve a limited purpose to us. And in fact lead to more bad than good in the long run.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 22:07:12 GMT
Can you genuinely not understand why a loan isn't beneficial to both parties or are you an a wind up? How many times? I don't think we should be doing loans if they don't have a buying clause. They serve a limited purpose to us. And in fact lead to more bad than good in the long run. So you admit they serve us a purpose then? So it's mutually beneficial??? Grobbelaar was a loan, was that not beneficial? Stein was a loan signing 96-97 season, again beneficial. Mark Crossley a loan signing, again beneficial. We need a class centre back. He's available. He benefits our first team. We haven't got any hope of signing a player of his ilk permanently so we have him for a year. I really don't see the issue. Moses was again a loan signing and fantastic for a season. The loan system helps clubs like ours be competitive in this league. The club feels it helps so I'll trust their opinion in this matter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 22:10:08 GMT
How many times? I don't think we should be doing loans if they don't have a buying clause. They serve a limited purpose to us. And in fact lead to more bad than good in the long run. So you admit they serve us a purpose then? So it's mutually beneficial??? Grobbelaar was a loan, was that not beneficial? Stein was a loan signing 96-97 season, again beneficial. Mark Crossley a loan signing, again beneficial. We need a class centre back. He's available. He benefits our first team. We haven't got any hope of signing a player of his ilk permanently so we have him for a year. I really don't see the issue. Moses was again a loan signing and fantastic for a season. The loan system helps clubs like ours be competitive in this league. The club feels it helps so I'll trust their opinion in this matter. Moses is the prime example of why it's bad. He provided us with pace and we never replaced it. We still haven't. It was short term bollocks. And that's no slight on Moses. I stuck up for him loads on here but the overall deal for us left us in a hole.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 22:13:16 GMT
So you admit they serve us a purpose then? So it's mutually beneficial??? Grobbelaar was a loan, was that not beneficial? Stein was a loan signing 96-97 season, again beneficial. Mark Crossley a loan signing, again beneficial. We need a class centre back. He's available. He benefits our first team. We haven't got any hope of signing a player of his ilk permanently so we have him for a year. I really don't see the issue. Moses was again a loan signing and fantastic for a season. The loan system helps clubs like ours be competitive in this league. The club feels it helps so I'll trust their opinion in this matter. Moses is the prime example of why it's bad. He provided us with pace and we never replaced it. We still haven't. It was short term bollocks. And that's no slight on Moses. I stuck up for him loads on here but the overall deal for us left us in a hole. Did it? I thought Shaqiri was his replacement???
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 22:16:41 GMT
Moses is the prime example of why it's bad. He provided us with pace and we never replaced it. We still haven't. It was short term bollocks. And that's no slight on Moses. I stuck up for him loads on here but the overall deal for us left us in a hole. Did it? I thought Shaqiri was his replacement??? And he hasn't given us what Moses had and we haven't been as good a team as with him in the side. I'd have Moses over Shaq every day of the week. We haven't had pace since he left and it's been detrimental.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 22:20:44 GMT
I heard Durham and the thick yorkshire twat start going on about Stoke. Luckily my radio has a switch to turn it off. Ginger and fatty are best ignored.
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Post by philb on Aug 16, 2017 22:24:56 GMT
Every one around football knows u need to spend more then what we do to stay competitive. That's why there are saying what they are saying and if it Carey's on we will go down . And guess what we will go down as we'll . Coates comments after his statement back to the media gets capped off with we spend to much ! So clearly he wants to reduce it even more . So every one else in the media and footballing world is wrong . And Coates is right ffs . Wake up Coates and Hughes have taken this club as far as they can they both need to go before we end up going down Broken Britain. Broken record more like 🙄
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 16, 2017 22:26:27 GMT
Did it? I thought Shaqiri was his replacement??? And he hasn't given us what Moses had and we haven't been as good a team as with him in the side. I'd have Moses over Shaq every day of the week. We haven't had pace since he left and it's been detrimental. No he brings something different to the table than Moses. So because we couldn't get Moses permanently even though we tried would you rather we never had him?
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Post by philb on Aug 16, 2017 22:26:33 GMT
Did it? I thought Shaqiri was his replacement??? And he hasn't given us what Moses had and we haven't been as good a team as with him in the side. I'd have Moses over Shaq every day of the week. We haven't had pace since he left and it's been detrimental. Do you actually like ANY of the current Stoke squad???
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 22:28:25 GMT
And he hasn't given us what Moses had and we haven't been as good a team as with him in the side. I'd have Moses over Shaq every day of the week. We haven't had pace since he left and it's been detrimental. No he brings something different to the table than Moses. So because we couldn't get Moses permanently even though we tried would you rather we never had him? I'd rather we signed a fast winger permanently. I still wish we would.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 22:30:50 GMT
And he hasn't given us what Moses had and we haven't been as good a team as with him in the side. I'd have Moses over Shaq every day of the week. We haven't had pace since he left and it's been detrimental. Do you actually like ANY of the current Stoke squad??? Butland Grant Shawcross Indi Pieters Cameron (as a back up midfielder only 😂) Fletcher Shaq Moting Ramadan Bojan Diouf Crouch Berahino So a few. Zouma seems a really good sort too tbh! But I can't admit that!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 16, 2017 22:46:12 GMT
So you admit they serve us a purpose then? So it's mutually beneficial??? Grobbelaar was a loan, was that not beneficial? Stein was a loan signing 96-97 season, again beneficial. Mark Crossley a loan signing, again beneficial. We need a class centre back. He's available. He benefits our first team. We haven't got any hope of signing a player of his ilk permanently so we have him for a year. I really don't see the issue. Moses was again a loan signing and fantastic for a season. The loan system helps clubs like ours be competitive in this league. The club feels it helps so I'll trust their opinion in this matter. Moses is the prime example of why it's bad. He provided us with pace and we never replaced it. We still haven't. It was short term bollocks. And that's no slight on Moses. I stuck up for him loads on here but the overall deal for us left us in a hole. Without loan signings, we wouldn't be anywhere near the Premier League. We got promoted on the back of shrewd loan signings, and have never looked back. If Zouma and Jesé spend a year here and get us into the top eight, or even help us pinch a cup or a Earopean spot, the value to the club would be immeasurable in terms of status and the ability to attract a better quality of player on permanent deals. There is plenty of upside in it for us, with little risk. To suggest otherwise is a bit dense.
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Post by stokie1 on Aug 16, 2017 22:54:16 GMT
Anybody listen to Talksport this afternoon. Again banging on about how we're a club in crisis and two callers calling in to agree because our outgoings this summer are 7 million and questioning the ambitions of the club and querying why we are setting out deliberately for a relegation battle? I love listening to the show but they don't half talk some shit Guys, we have spent less than we have bought in. No one else has done that apart from Spurs and they will probably splash the cash next week. We are the lowest spenders in the league over the last 5 years. Fact. I am no fan of Talksport but I can see where they are coming from.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 16, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
Anybody listen to Talksport this afternoon. Again banging on about how we're a club in crisis and two callers calling in to agree because our outgoings this summer are 7 million and questioning the ambitions of the club and querying why we are setting out deliberately for a relegation battle? I love listening to the show but they don't half talk some shit Guys, we have spent less than we have bought in. No one else has done that apart from Spurs and they will probably splash the cash next week. We are the lowest spenders in the league over the last 5 years. Fact. I am no fan of Talksport but I can see where they are coming from. You're proving your own opinion wrong with that statement. If we're the lowest spenders in the league over the last five years, then we've consistently finished higher that plenty of teams that have spent more than us. Simple math tells you that. It's an indenianle fact that renders your argument pointless.
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 16, 2017 23:38:33 GMT
Anybody listen to Talksport this afternoon. Again banging on about how we're a club in crisis and two callers calling in to agree because our outgoings this summer are 7 million and questioning the ambitions of the club and querying why we are setting out deliberately for a relegation battle? I love listening to the show but they don't half talk some shit Guys, we have spent less than we have bought in. No one else has done that apart from Spurs and they will probably splash the cash next week. We are the lowest spenders in the league over the last 5 years. Fact. I am no fan of Talksport but I can see where they are coming from. What a great manager Hughes is then.we have over achieved for the first 3 seasons of his management
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Post by professorplump on Aug 17, 2017 1:09:11 GMT
Do you actually like ANY of the current Stoke squad??? Butland Grant Shawcross Indi Pieters Cameron (as a back up midfielder only 😂) Fletcher Shaq Moting Ramadan Bojan Diouf Crouch Berahino So a few. Zouma seems a really good sort too tbh! But I can't admit that! So you like Shaq but you think he has been shit. You like Grant but you spent all last season saying he was no better than a third choice keeper. You like Pieters but you constantly rubbish him. You like Cameron but you constantly criticise him no matter which position he plays. So are you saying that you are like these as individuals but you don't rate them as footballers, or are you just posting any old rubbish in order to get your post count up?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 17, 2017 1:48:29 GMT
Largely given up on Talksport 'debates' though I will tune in for commentaries. I can't abide Alan Green on the Beeeb. RStoke for Stoke with the seeming difficulty in watching the away games in pubs. {boooh} Caught an hour of the Danny Kelly and Joey Barton show the other night and really enjoyed it. I like Kelly, he's got an Arsenal wife, it makes me chuckle, he's witty and knowledgeable, sprinkles his shows with humour and music. Lets folk have their say. Joey Barton had done his research and brought his breadth of experience to the show, didn't come across as a widge. He was questioning Klopp's credentials, courting controversy {as TS like to do}, but backed it up. Interesting dynamic listen. So I'm a bit of an hypocrite. But I don't want to wake up with Brazil, Jim White bokes me, can't listen to Durham no more, even he doesn't believe half of what he spouts for reaction. Kundy and Goldstein are unlistenable to now. The schedule is largely tired shite.
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Post by stokie1 on Aug 17, 2017 1:58:33 GMT
Guys, we have spent less than we have bought in. No one else has done that apart from Spurs and they will probably splash the cash next week. We are the lowest spenders in the league over the last 5 years. Fact. I am no fan of Talksport but I can see where they are coming from. You're proving your own opinion wrong with that statement. If we're the lowest spenders in the league over the last five years, then we've consistently finished higher that plenty of teams that have spent more than us. Simple math tells you that. It's an indenianle fact that renders your argument pointless. I thought this thread was about talksport accusing us of trying to stay on the Prem on the cheap. I haven't proved my own opinion wrong , I was just stating a fact, and didn't give an opinion. Simple fact is that we aren't spending as much as our rivals and the opinion is that I believe this will catc up with us in the end. History tells us that. Have we over achieved? Definitely. Will we continue to do so? Let's bloody hope so.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2017 4:04:40 GMT
Butland Grant Shawcross Indi Pieters Cameron (as a back up midfielder only 😂) Fletcher Shaq Moting Ramadan Bojan Diouf Crouch Berahino So a few. Zouma seems a really good sort too tbh! But I can't admit that! So you like Shaq but you think he has been shit. You like Grant but you spent all last season saying he was no better than a third choice keeper. You like Pieters but you constantly rubbish him. You like Cameron but you constantly criticise him no matter which position he plays. So are you saying that you are like these as individuals but you don't rate them as footballers, or are you just posting any old rubbish in order to get your post count up?
I haven't said Shaq's shit. Watching Haugaard over pre season has made me appreciated Grant but I still think ideally he's third choice. I think Pieters has been brilliant for us but we need better. That's football. Yes, he's a footballer that can't pass a football, that deserves criticising. He still does a job in midfield though. I don't give a fuck about my post count (I don't get the obsession). The only people that do are people like you. Why do you care because I certainly don't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2017 4:06:30 GMT
Moses is the prime example of why it's bad. He provided us with pace and we never replaced it. We still haven't. It was short term bollocks. And that's no slight on Moses. I stuck up for him loads on here but the overall deal for us left us in a hole. Without loan signings, we wouldn't be anywhere near the Premier League. We got promoted on the back of shrewd loan signings, and have never looked back. If Zouma and Jesé spend a year here and get us into the top eight, or even help us pinch a cup or a Earopean spot, the value to the club would be immeasurable in terms of status and the ability to attract a better quality of player on permanent deals. There is plenty of upside in it for us, with little risk. To suggest otherwise is a bit dense. First of all I mean as an established PL side. What came before was in a different era. These loans wreak of doing things on the cheap and are lesson in short termism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 4:10:56 GMT
Without loan signings, we wouldn't be anywhere near the Premier League. We got promoted on the back of shrewd loan signings, and have never looked back. If Zouma and Jesé spend a year here and get us into the top eight, or even help us pinch a cup or a Earopean spot, the value to the club would be immeasurable in terms of status and the ability to attract a better quality of player on permanent deals. There is plenty of upside in it for us, with little risk. To suggest otherwise is a bit dense. First of all I mean as an established PL side. What came before was in a different era. These loans wreak of doing things on the cheap and are lesson in short termism. Have to disagree. BMI was a good move. These too.
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Post by werrington on Aug 17, 2017 5:12:16 GMT
He's playing for our team. Benefiting our first eleven. Surely you must get that!? I don't want him to tbh. I'd rather we played the players we own. We got promoted 9 years ago on the strength of players " we didn't own " You've lost me ?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 17, 2017 5:36:59 GMT
I don't want him to tbh. I'd rather we played the players we own. We got promoted 9 years ago on the strength of players " we didn't own " You've lost me ? As you can tell, Bayern has backed himself into a corner regarding Zouma and won't admit that he's wrong. Shawcross a better defender than Zouma? If we were playing a back 4 Zouma would be on bench?.. yep, load of shit.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 17, 2017 5:42:24 GMT
Dom cork on this morning
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Post by lommack on Aug 17, 2017 6:55:45 GMT
Listened for a short while this morning and fat Brazil seemed to be encouraging listeners to call in and say how shit Stoke is and how they would never live here???????
All seems very funny?
Can't do our tourist industry or bid for City of Culture any harm at all?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2017 7:44:21 GMT
Listened for a short while this morning and fat Brazil seemed to be encouraging listeners to call in and say how shit Stoke is and how they would never live here??????? All seems very funny? Can't do our tourist industry or bid for City of Culture any harm at all? He's got Coates on later, he'll change his tune then and call him 'Mr Chairman'. The vulgarian oaf!
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