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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 16, 2017 23:37:39 GMT
.....Zouma....Ryan...Indi....... Anything else is just silly in my opinion! Those three should be the first on the team sheet with Butland and Fletcher in my opinion! I wasn't too sure about Wimmer in the first place and to me he is still NO 5 in my pecking order! To be honest I think Levy has shafted us again!
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 16, 2017 23:39:49 GMT
Wimmer looks like Wolly with an 18M pricetag on his head. Slow and ponderous, doesnt attack the ball and cant pass for shit - at least Wolly could pass a ball jesus wept ...he was class last week and poor this week it happens Was he?
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2017 23:40:06 GMT
.....Zouma....Ryan...Indi....... Anything else is just silly in my opinion! Those three should be the first on the team sheet with Butland and Fletcher in my opinion! I wasn't too sure about Wimmer in the first place and to me he is still NO 5 in my pecking order! To be honest I think Levy has shafted us again! Jesus fucking wept
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 16, 2017 23:47:31 GMT
.....Zouma....Ryan...Indi....... Anything else is just silly in my opinion! Those three should be the first on the team sheet with Butland and Fletcher in my opinion! I wasn't too sure about Wimmer in the first place and to me he is still NO 5 in my pecking order! To be honest I think Levy has shafted us again! Jesus fucking wept If you can't see that I really think it's time to weep!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 0:58:36 GMT
There's definitely a good player in there, wait till he has had consistent minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 7:43:25 GMT
I think it is reasonable to wonder why we spent 18 million on a back up centre back when we really needed to sort out other positions If we didn't have Wimmer we would probably have been in a right mess, as we were already missing two central defenders. If we stuck with 3 at the back, we would have had to try alternative options, like Pieters as lcb. We didn't sign for other positions because the right players weren't available to do so, not because money was spent elsewhere.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 17, 2017 7:50:43 GMT
The mistakes he made yesterday don't fill me with confidence to be honest! His marking and positioning was really dreadful, and the worst part was that he didn't learn from his mistakes! Over and over again he was caught out of position. I really think players at this level should be able to do the basic defending and not being caught out of position time after time.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 17, 2017 8:05:15 GMT
I think it is reasonable to wonder why we spent 18 million on a back up centre back when we really needed to sort out other positions If we didn't have Wimmer we would probably have been in a right mess, as we were already missing two central defenders. If we stuck with 3 at the back, we would have had to try alternative options, like Pieters as lcb. We didn't sign for other positions because the right players weren't available to do so, not because money was spent elsewhere. I would have preferred to have had Pieters at left centre back yesterday to give us more mobility. It might have been Wimmers second game but there were two occasions where the other team have passed the ball two him and he has practically jumped out of the way of it and set up chances for them. Awful, awful performance. I appreciate not everyone can come in and just play well straight away like Zouma and Bruno did, but I expect him to do the basics
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 8:12:38 GMT
What concerns me early doors is his ability to switch off in open play, leaving him vulnerable to the ball over the top. Something Man Utd exploited all game and something he suffered from yesterday.
He also switches off at corners. Numerous times against Man Utd which fortunately didn't cost us, but sadly which did yesterday.
It could be as simple as 'Needs Games'. It could be something that is a bit more of a problem.
Time will tell.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 17, 2017 8:17:06 GMT
He was a class act against Man Utd I thought, physical, intelligent and calm with the ball.
He was absolutely hideous yesterday.
But he's really not played a lot of top level football. He's got the tools but he's a work in progress, Hughes was bob on when he said he was one for the future, even at 24.
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Post by surreystokie on Sept 17, 2017 10:42:30 GMT
Hope that those who are making a far too early judgement on Wimmer have just watched GOS. I certainly didn't realise what happened, being up in the clouds but bet that MH and certainly the ref did not see it, either.
We had seven men back for the corner, with the scorer ( Lascelles) on the edge of the box. The ball came over and their captain sprung into the air, craftily using his left arm to hold down Wimmer and head the ball into the net, for a much commended goal.
A lesson in reserving judgement, methinks.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2017 10:47:06 GMT
Hope that those who are making a far too early judgement on Wimmer have just watched GOS. I certainly didn't realise what happened, being up in the clouds but bet that MH and certainly the ref did not see it, either. We had seven men back for the corner, with the scorer ( Lascelles) on the edge of the box. The ball came over and their captain sprung into the air, craftily using his left arm to hold down Wimmer and head the ball into the net, for a much commended goal. A lesson in reserving judgement, methinks. Ive just seen the same on GOS Monica and yes he was pinned down but he's got to be stronger than that in the future if we're to defend set plays better imo
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2017 10:53:36 GMT
Hope that those who are making a far too early judgement on Wimmer have just watched GOS. I certainly didn't realise what happened, being up in the clouds but bet that MH and certainly the ref did not see it, either. We had seven men back for the corner, with the scorer ( Lascelles) on the edge of the box. The ball came over and their captain sprung into the air, craftily using his left arm to hold down Wimmer and head the ball into the net, for a much commended goal. A lesson in reserving judgement, methinks. Ive just seen the same on GOS Monica and yes he was pinned down but he's got to be stronger than that in the future if we're to defend set plays better imo This is it, yes he has to be stronger or get up earlier or both, if you start moaning about this kind of thing then you are half way to signing up to football as a non contact sport and Crouchy would be out of business!
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Post by podolipotter on Sept 17, 2017 11:37:35 GMT
I didn't see the game but Wimmer certainly looks a bit top heavy. However, if Butland had researched before the game he would have noticed that their centre half scored with a header from a corner in the previous game and was on the six yard line when he did so. I am disappointed that Jack did not get out and claim that one to be honest.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Sept 17, 2017 12:29:07 GMT
How am I having a go at the club? I'm criticizing a player that played badly today, just because I don't pretend it's all okay like you. I've never seen you praise anything, ever!! The managers shit, the players are wank, were spending no money, the chairman's an arsehole you've said it all. Why do you bother, you clearly take no joy in supporting the football club whatsoever. I have no idea why you'd spend so much of your limited time in life hating something you claim to support. Very odd behaviour. If you never see me praise anything then you only look for the bad.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Sept 17, 2017 12:29:50 GMT
He was pretty much anonymous last week and this week he was just awful. Maybe just settling in... Or maybe we've bought someone we didn't really need. How the fuck could anybody who played defence take a point off free scoring Manchester United and be anonymous You don't half talk some bollocks By being Kevin Wimmer. Did you even watch the game? He was anonymous for a large portion of the game until he gifted Lukaku.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Sept 17, 2017 12:30:34 GMT
He was pretty much anonymous last week and this week he was just awful. Maybe just settling in... Or maybe we've bought someone we didn't really need. Who knows maybe having Eric as back centre back and spending 9 mil each on two wing backs would have been better value. The start to the season has been positive though and maybe today was the little kick up the arse they needed. Mate I've been saying since last window that we need some decent full-backs/wing-backs. It's madness that we haven't sorted that.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 17, 2017 13:33:44 GMT
Hope that those who are making a far too early judgement on Wimmer have just watched GOS. I certainly didn't realise what happened, being up in the clouds but bet that MH and certainly the ref did not see it, either. We had seven men back for the corner, with the scorer ( Lascelles) on the edge of the box. The ball came over and their captain sprung into the air, craftily using his left arm to hold down Wimmer and head the ball into the net, for a much commended goal. A lesson in reserving judgement, methinks. As a centre back you are supposed to do enough to put off the attacking player, so he doesn't get an easy header.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 14:29:57 GMT
As with Rooney in the Everton game, someone should have been TOLD by the manager, to not let him have a free run at corners. Will Mr. Hughes ever learn? It is not rocket science!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 17:17:29 GMT
Hope that those who are making a far too early judgement on Wimmer have just watched GOS. I certainly didn't realise what happened, being up in the clouds but bet that MH and certainly the ref did not see it, either. We had seven men back for the corner, with the scorer ( Lascelles) on the edge of the box. The ball came over and their captain sprung into the air, craftily using his left arm to hold down Wimmer and head the ball into the net, for a much commended goal. A lesson in reserving judgement, methinks. Havent seen it Monica but certainly looks like holding down As i have said on another post didnt we change to zonal early last season because of holding/pulling issues ? Then you see photos like this.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 17, 2017 17:31:18 GMT
Spurs fans thought well of him , looks cultured but slow in the games he has played for us so far . Odd we bought him and Indi . Bruno for me in a choice between them so far but way too early to make any real judgement, defensive partnerships need time to develop.
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Post by geekenny on Sept 17, 2017 18:00:47 GMT
He averages just 17 league starts a season throughout his career.🤔
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 18, 2017 8:32:12 GMT
I dont like the 18M price-tag that he comes with.
Does that fee mean he has to be a starter in the team? I was surprised when he was picked ahead of BMI for the Man United game.
When everyone is fit I would choose these defenders in order
Zouma Shawcross BMI Cameron Wimmer
For me Wimmer looks like a decent quality back-up. But his transfer fee is pointing towards something else
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 18, 2017 8:54:32 GMT
Wimmer like the rest of the back 3 did get out by balls over the top on Saturday and there seemed to be lack of organistation and communication. It could be argued that Wimmer was as poor against Newcastle as he was good against Man Utd but to be throwing the lad under the bus after games as some seem keen to do is madness.
As he has become for many, Bruno is a bit of favourite for me, however he was a major part of a defence that regularly shipped 4 a game last year. Is everyone really so sure that he is superior to Wimmer. Even at a knock down price in August no other teams seemed interested in getting BMI in. Maybe we love him 'cause it's fun to chant his name?
Personally I think we have 5 decent CBs for Hughes' prefered 3-4-3 system (no real WBs though). I think we need a communicator in the middle, which at the moment seems to be Ryan or Cameron, Zoums to the right (or when needed Cameron) with Wimmer or BMI to the left. Like Hughes I do expect to see Wimmer develop into a very good Premier League CB.
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Post by Gods on Sept 18, 2017 9:08:42 GMT
I dont like the 18M price-tag that he comes with. Does that fee mean he has to be a starter in the team? I was surprised when he was picked ahead of BMI for the Man United game. When everyone is fit I would choose these defenders in order Zouma Shawcross BMI Cameron Wimmer For me Wimmer looks like a decent quality back-up. But his transfer fee is pointing towards something else My initial gut feeling is we paid about 2 x the market rate.
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Post by adamsson on Sept 18, 2017 9:11:05 GMT
I dont like the 18M price-tag that he comes with. Does that fee mean he has to be a starter in the team? I was surprised when he was picked ahead of BMI for the Man United game. When everyone is fit I would choose these defenders in order Zouma Shawcross BMI Cameron Wimmer For me Wimmer looks like a decent quality back-up. But his transfer fee is pointing towards something else £18 million really isn't a high transfer fee by 2017 Premiership standards which you can say is stupid and it is and you can say it unsustainable which it is but right now it the truth.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 18, 2017 9:26:33 GMT
I dont like the 18M price-tag that he comes with. Does that fee mean he has to be a starter in the team? I was surprised when he was picked ahead of BMI for the Man United game. When everyone is fit I would choose these defenders in order Zouma Shawcross BMI Cameron Wimmer For me Wimmer looks like a decent quality back-up. But his transfer fee is pointing towards something else £18 million really isn't a high transfer fee by 2017 Premiership standards which you can say is stupid and it is and you can say it unsustainable which it is but right now it the truth. Agreed that 18M isnt THAT MUCH these days. But its still our 2nd largest transfer in our history at the moment. I dont like when our players have big price-tags, it inevitably leads to bigger expectations. If Wimmer had come in for say 8-10M then it wouldnt be such a big fan-fair, he could be eased in to the team over a couple of months. 18M screams "first-team regular" and he has been thrown in at the deep-end, when hes only 24 and has plenty of time ahead of him. A bit the same as Berahino - the 12M pricetag meant Hughes had to put him straight into the first-team last season when he clearly wasnt fit or ready.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2017 9:50:26 GMT
Some Stoke fans show their ignorance when they rush to judgement on a player. Wimmer has not played very well in his first 2 matches, so what? £18m is the going rate for a young international player these days, wise up. He is still young for a top level CB, an international, Spurs don't snap up poor players, and they have so much talent on their books they were prepared to sell for the right price.
He will get to grips with his new role and develop an understanding with the rest of the team, be patient.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2017 9:50:45 GMT
Their second goal is zonal markings fault not Kevin Wimmer's.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 18, 2017 10:16:12 GMT
Their second goal is zonal markings fault not Kevin Wimmer's. This ^^ Doesn't matter how strong a defender you are, if you're rooted to a zone with a player running in from anywhere and the ball is spot on to their run they're always going to get higher and overpower the defender.
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