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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2017 14:21:35 GMT
So if this is why he was brought in and then should be one of our main aspects during training, it's still impossible to achieve in real games? Could there be anything else than the midfielders releasing the ball too late? You're clutching at straws non of our strikers score a satisfactory amount of goals thats a systematic failure not one player. .....and nobody less than Bera! Crochy's tally compared to last season wasn't that bad, Diouf has score 11-12 a season when played as our main striker and Joselu has never been given an extended run like Bera was last season, but still scored some goals. I think we could have ended 8th or 9th last season if Huges had dropped Bera and played Crouchy, Diouf or Walters in all those games where he fired blanks. I don't see why we should keep us this experiment if it clearly doesn't work. As said earlier my hopes for Bera is fading with every game, but still you hope the club haven't wasted money on a failure again.
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Post by alster on Aug 8, 2017 14:34:07 GMT
You're clutching at straws non of our strikers score a satisfactory amount of goals thats a systematic failure not one player. .....and nobody less than Bera! Crochy's tally compared to last season wasn't that bad, Diouf has score 11-12 a season when played as our main striker and Joselu has never been given an extended run like Bera was last season, but still scored some goals. I think we could have ended 8th or 9th last season if Huges had dropped Bera and played Crouchy, Diouf or Walters in all those games where he fired blanks. I don't see why we should keep us this experiment if it clearly doesn't work. As said earlier my hopes for Bera is fading with every game, but still you hope the club haven't wasted money on a failure again. He was always going to be a rebuilding job. Why would you expect a player that had been at odds with his club, not scoring, not playing, serving a drugs ban to simply slot in, it was never going to happen. Berahino might come good he might not but if you aren't going "keep up this experiment" by that I take it you mean play him what the fuck was the point in buying him?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2017 14:40:43 GMT
.....and nobody less than Bera! Crochy's tally compared to last season wasn't that bad, Diouf has score 11-12 a season when played as our main striker and Joselu has never been given an extended run like Bera was last season, but still scored some goals. I think we could have ended 8th or 9th last season if Huges had dropped Bera and played Crouchy, Diouf or Walters in all those games where he fired blanks. I don't see why we should keep us this experiment if it clearly doesn't work. As said earlier my hopes for Bera is fading with every game, but still you hope the club haven't wasted money on a failure again. He was always going to be a rebuilding job. Why would you expect a player that had been at odds with his club, not scoring, not playing, serving a drugs ban to simply slot in, it was never going to happen. Berahino might come good he might not but if you aren't going "keep up this experiment" by that I take it you mean play him what the fuck was the point in buying him? I'm really starting to wonder why myself, I really do!
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 8, 2017 14:46:59 GMT
You're clutching at straws non of our strikers score a satisfactory amount of goals thats a systematic failure not one player. .....and nobody less than Bera! Crochy's tally compared to last season wasn't that bad, Diouf has score 11-12 a season when played as our main striker and Joselu has never been given an extended run like Bera was last season, but still scored some goals. I think we could have ended 8th or 9th last season if Huges had dropped Bera and played Crouchy, Diouf or Walters in all those games where he fired blanks. I don't see why we should keep us this experiment if it clearly doesn't work. As said earlier my hopes for Bera is fading with every game, but still you hope the club haven't wasted money on a failure again. I do agree with this to an extent but I don't really understand why people get so upset about signings. Plenty of teams spend big money on players and it doesn't work out. If someone else can come in and do better than him + we can play some good football in the process I don't really care too much. I'll admit when Hughes has spent bigger money they generally haven't worked out but is it really the end of the world as long as the team performs well (this is still yet to be determined). It's not like we are short of funds. EDIT: If we were bankrupting ourselves to get these players then fair enough!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2017 14:50:01 GMT
.....and nobody less than Bera! Crochy's tally compared to last season wasn't that bad, Diouf has score 11-12 a season when played as our main striker and Joselu has never been given an extended run like Bera was last season, but still scored some goals. I think we could have ended 8th or 9th last season if Huges had dropped Bera and played Crouchy, Diouf or Walters in all those games where he fired blanks. I don't see why we should keep us this experiment if it clearly doesn't work. As said earlier my hopes for Bera is fading with every game, but still you hope the club haven't wasted money on a failure again. I do agree with this to an extent but I don't really understand why people get so upset about signings. Plenty of teams spend big money on players and it doesn't work out. If someone else can come in and do better than him + we can play some good football in the process I don't really care too much. I'll admit when Hughes has spent bigger money they generally haven't worked out but is it really the end of the world as long as the team performs well (this is still yet to be determined). It's not like we are short of funds. I don't mind taking a gamble with signings, but still you always hope they will come good. What annoys me is that we keep playing a striker firing blanks when we have others who can put the ball in the onion bag!
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Post by alster on Aug 8, 2017 14:50:17 GMT
He was always going to be a rebuilding job. Why would you expect a player that had been at odds with his club, not scoring, not playing, serving a drugs ban to simply slot in, it was never going to happen. Berahino might come good he might not but if you aren't going "keep up this experiment" by that I take it you mean play him what the fuck was the point in buying him? I'm really starting to wonder why myself, I really do! Non of the strikers will have any amount of success whilst Hughes keeps fucking about with the team and style of play Non of them so what would you do just keep playing Crouch and accepting his "not as shit as any of the others" scoring stats until he stopped scoring or even moving full stop.
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 8, 2017 14:51:01 GMT
I do agree with this to an extent but I don't really understand why people get so upset about signings. Plenty of teams spend big money on players and it doesn't work out. If someone else can come in and do better than him + we can play some good football in the process I don't really care too much. I'll admit when Hughes has spent bigger money they generally haven't worked out but is it really the end of the world as long as the team performs well (this is still yet to be determined). It's not like we are short of funds. I don't mind taking a gamble with signings, but still you always hope they will come good. What annoys me is that we keep playing a striker firing blanks when we have others who can put the ball in the onion bag! Agree with that. I'd start Joselu on Saturday. I like Crouch but I think it becomes too easy an option when under pressure to just put it in the air in his vicinity.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2017 14:53:42 GMT
I'm really starting to wonder why myself, I really do! Non of the strikers will have any amount of success whilst Hughes keeps fucking about with the team and style of play Non of them so what would you do just keep playing Crouch and accepting his "not as shit as any of the others" scoring stats until he stopped scoring or even moving full stop. I'd soon play anybody but Bera as things seem to develop!
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 8, 2017 14:53:47 GMT
I'm really starting to wonder why myself, I really do! Non of the strikers will have any amount of success whilst Hughes keeps fucking about with the team and style of play Non of them so what would you do just keep playing Crouch and accepting his "not as shit as any of the others" scoring stats until he stopped scoring or even moving full stop. Agree. When was the last time he actually gave a striker a proper run in the team. Diouf first season?
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Post by alster on Aug 8, 2017 15:03:51 GMT
Non of the strikers will have any amount of success whilst Hughes keeps fucking about with the team and style of play Non of them so what would you do just keep playing Crouch and accepting his "not as shit as any of the others" scoring stats until he stopped scoring or even moving full stop. Agree. When was the last time he actually gave a striker a proper run in the team. Diouf first season? Diouf returned the best scoring stats for a Stoke player in a Premier League season and was hardly ever played centrally up front after that. As a footballer I find him very frustrating to watch but Hughes handling of him has been mind boggling. He dropped Bony when results were good even though his performances were not good. He played Bojan as a false 9 with some fine football played by the team. He gave Joselu 2 or 3 games at a time. All of these things had some success but he never went back to them yet he goes back to Crouch time and time again. He's no more prolific than any of the other and hamstrings the team terribly. you explain it because I can't even begin to.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 8, 2017 15:24:25 GMT
It's a little bit funny to see that a lot of our problems are selfmade. Thought you were going belt out n Elton john tune then. It's a little bit funny, our problems are self-maaade Our players are not ones, we can easily trade We don't spend much money, but if I could have one thing I'd buy a new left back who can, also play on the wing
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 8, 2017 16:20:23 GMT
Agree. When was the last time he actually gave a striker a proper run in the team. Diouf first season? Diouf returned the best scoring stats for a Stoke player in a Premier League season and was hardly ever played centrally up front after that. As a footballer I find him very frustrating to watch but Hughes handling of him has been mind boggling. He dropped Bony when results were good even though his performances were not good. He played Bojan as a false 9 with some fine football played by the team. He gave Joselu 2 or 3 games at a time. All of these things had some success but he never went back to them yet he goes back to Crouch time and time again. He's no more prolific than any of the other and hamstrings the team terribly. you explain it because I can't even begin to. I can't explain it either. Been a bit of a nightmare on that front tbh. I don't care too much if we can return to playing good football and getting decent results though, when we're not getting results it's a huge problem. I try to have faith, it may be blind though!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 8, 2017 16:32:27 GMT
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Indi
Diouf Fletcher Allen Sobhi
Shaq Moting
Joselu
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 8, 2017 16:53:17 GMT
Thought you were going belt out n Elton john tune then. It's a little bit funny, our problems are self-maaade Our players are not ones, we can easily trade We don't spend much money, but if I could have one thing I'd buy a new left back who can, also play on the wing Hahahahaha
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 8, 2017 17:27:29 GMT
Matteo Darmian anybody? Can play either side apparently.
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Post by burge2u on Aug 8, 2017 17:29:21 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Indi Diouf Fletcher Allen Sobhi Shaq Moting Joselu Looks good to me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 8, 2017 18:05:46 GMT
Matteo Darmian anybody? Can play either side apparently. He's their first choice left back as things stand isn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 22:43:42 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Indi Diouf Fletcher Allen Sobhi Shaq Moting Joselu Looks good to me. Not likely. Looks like a recipe for disaster. Playing away to Everton with just three defenders, NOT augmented by two wide guys who are more wingers than fullbacks. Sobhi especially is okay when helping a fullback behind him, but he's a right foot, and simply won't succeed as a leftsided defender, especially not with the pacy players Everton will play there. So until we get a leftsided wingback in, or develop one from within, we're stuck with Pieters or Muniese (if he is even our player anymore).
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 8, 2017 23:19:10 GMT
Matteo Darmian anybody? Can play either side apparently. He's their first choice left back as things stand isn't he? Yes he is.....some of these suggestions are berserk.
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Post by alster on Aug 9, 2017 14:39:32 GMT
Not likely. Looks like a recipe for disaster. Playing away to Everton with just three defenders, NOT augmented by two wide guys who are more wingers than fullbacks. Sobhi especially is okay when helping a fullback behind him, but he's a right foot, and simply won't succeed as a leftsided defender, especially not with the pacy players Everton will play there. So until we get a leftsided wingback in, or develop one from within, we're stuck with Pieters or Muniese (if he is even our player anymore). Who are these pacy wingers thar Everton are going to play? I watched them in Europe and they looked almoat as slow as us last season.
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