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Post by Menorca Stokie on Aug 6, 2017 9:15:46 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion.
Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low.
Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet.
We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst.
The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better.
We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks.
I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era.
People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of.
Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another.
Have a nice day.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2017 9:20:51 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me. Hanger my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold the Jon andy Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another.
Have a nice day.
Excellent debating skills chap.
And it's you who hates social media?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2017 9:23:14 GMT
Maybe just maybe there is good reason for the negativity?
People are genuinely worried that we will get relegated and can't see that the club are doing anything to stop that.
People will panic, it's what people do.
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Post by RAF on Aug 6, 2017 9:23:19 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me. Hanger my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold the Jon andy Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another.
Have a nice day.
Excellent debating skills chap.
And it's you who hates social media?
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I don't think he is intending to start a debate. I think he's made a profound statement! ;) H |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 6, 2017 9:28:42 GMT
I think it's hard to see what the plan is if we have one . It isn't really explained and as fans we just see a team that has been in decline for over 12 months heading into a new season marginally weaker than it ended the last one and it is a worry .
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 6, 2017 9:34:45 GMT
A player chose another club over Stoke......
Shock, horror......
This doesn't mean we are a failure.
It's not only money, latest league position and ambition which attracts players.....
Location (coast and close to the smoke and airport for instance)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 9:35:50 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. I think you let yourself down in your last paragraph but you make some good points. It's gone beyond debating issues of selection, tactics etc. and into slating the club about every little issue...... |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 6, 2017 9:42:39 GMT
I've always had the philosophy of keeping my staff well informed of what's going on in my business and generally things have worked out fine with happy staff , this I think is the problem with the club no one seems to know what's going on so lots of speculation and eventually negative vibes and feeling, I'm not saying the supporters need to know everything just the general direction .
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 6, 2017 9:47:10 GMT
I honestly think some of the Happy Clappers on this board are more annoying and childish than the Doomsayers.
Benji excepted of course
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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2017 9:48:03 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. If you flick through the Sunday papers today and the Premier League predictions of scores of journalists you will find that the pessimism is not confined to us 'thick' Stoke fans - we have been tipped for relegation by many people. That wouldn't have happened 2 years back. It's clear that after years of progress we have hit a block and certain issues are either not recognised or not being adressed satisfactorily and hence people get frustrated. It's all fairly understandable and doesn't reflect that badly on us as a supporter group. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 6, 2017 9:48:18 GMT
I think supporters have a real concerns at the way things have gone over the last 18 months no one can deny that things have not been to good as a decline is obvious to see by anyone who loves the club.
People do rant & rave about things but its only concern at what looks like a club going in the wrong direction its called passion & a love for there team not everybody puts it across the right way but the bottom line is nobody wants another 20 odd years away from the top league.
Hopefully this coming week brings us something positive to cheer us all up & get everybody back on track.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 6, 2017 9:49:12 GMT
I've always had the philosophy of keeping my staff well informed of what's going on in my business and generally things have worked out fine with happy staff , this I think is the problem with the club no one seems to know what's going on so lots of speculation and eventually negative vibes and feeling, I'm not saying the supporters need to know everything just the general direction . But we're not staff are we? We're simply paying customers. I don't recall M&S telling me that they were recruiting a new assistant in the underwear department. Although that has made shopping for Y fronts a far more pleasurable experience. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 6, 2017 9:53:57 GMT
I just thank my lucky stars that I'm not in the trenches with some of the fuckers because when the going seems to be getting tough...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 6, 2017 9:57:16 GMT
I just thank my lucky stars that I'm not in the trenches with some of the fuckers because when the going seems to be getting tough... You can thank your lucky stars but you're not as smart as you like to think you are. |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 6, 2017 9:58:03 GMT
A player chose another club over Stoke...... Shock, horror...... This doesn't mean we are a failure. It's not only money, latest league position and ambition which attracts players..... Location (coast and close to the smoke and airport for instance) Those factors don't stop Leicester signing and retaining good players , it's a willingness to throw enough cash 💰 at the player and his agent , simples |
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Post by Do it for dobing on Aug 6, 2017 9:58:13 GMT
OP is spot on before social media after a loss you had a good moan on the way home and left it at that.
This message board used to be great for a bit of banter now it is dominated in the main by negative posters who are looking to slate the club,manager and players.
Debate is great but some posters make an observation and then repeat their opinion all over the board 100s of times for days on end
When most supporters should be excited by a new season we are having to wade through on a daily basis the tedious club knocking messages by its so called supporters
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Post by happyending on Aug 6, 2017 9:59:07 GMT
A player chose another club over Stoke...... Shock, horror...... This doesn't mean we are a failure. It's not only money, latest league position and ambition which attracts players..... Location (coast and close to the smoke and airport for instance) Location is a huge factor. The South coast is a nicer place to live than the north west. There may well be some lovely properties an hours drive away but compared to living close to the training ground and the beach there's not much choice to make. |
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2017 10:02:17 GMT
For all us older supporters we need to remember how far we have come from 1999  from the team in 1999 to todays team |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 6, 2017 10:02:28 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. People are just concerned. The performances last season left a lot to be desired. The squad needed strengthening yet we've taken a step back. We've lost 2 of our best players, and that's a big loss. Despite having money to spend, it looks like we're trying to do things on the cheap. A free transfer, a loan signing and a youngster who looks someway off. Out next signing looks likely to be a free transfer too. That is all a bit concerning for me. Spending money doesn't guarantee success, but it can certainly help. Maybe the owners don't trust Hughes to spend large amounts of money on players though. Imbula has been a disaster, Joe Allen doesn't look like he's added 12 million pounds of value to the team and Berahino looks garbage too. 15 million quid yet Diouf and Joselu both look better options. It's all a sorry state of affairs to be honest. |
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 6, 2017 10:08:37 GMT
To be fair to the OP, the whingeing and moaning on here this closed season is about the worst I can remember.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 6, 2017 10:15:49 GMT
I just thank my lucky stars that I'm not in the trenches with some of the fuckers because when the going seems to be getting tough... You can thank your lucky stars but you're not as smart as you like to think you are. Haha, I probably am you know. |
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Post by muglump on Aug 6, 2017 10:18:07 GMT
Ah it's just like a big pub really, with the moaning buggers and the chirpy optimists. Only difference is this pub lets in too many bloody underage drinkers
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 6, 2017 10:20:21 GMT
You can thank your lucky stars but you're not as smart as you like to think you are. Haha, I probably am you know. Sorry it was a shit song I just couldn't help it. |
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Post by CashBack on Aug 6, 2017 10:24:32 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. Ah yes that's what I forgot when I woke up this morning, where we have come from. Thanks for that. Can you just let me know how you quantify the difference between a differing opinion or one that is totally negative as I'm a bit thick and ungrateful? It would really really help next time I post or talk to my mates at the game to ensure my opinion is accepted and debated. At the very least, I have learnt from you that the way to distance myself from people with lower IQs is explain the obvious in a patronising and condescending manner. |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 6, 2017 10:29:30 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me. Hanger my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold the Jon andy Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another.
Have a nice day.
Excellent debating skills chap.
And it's you who hates social media?
What's the betting he voted Remain  |
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Post by stokemark on Aug 6, 2017 10:30:06 GMT
I'm now beginning to hate social media. Over the years I've love the oatcake and reading and digesting others opinions, in the past people have put up good arguments and even made me change my opinion. Today, with Facebook, Twitter etc the moronic views and negativity surrounding our club is unbelievable. It seems that the average IQ of the regular Stoke supporter is very low. Yes, I'm disappointed that were not spending zillions and that we've sold Jon and Arnie but a ball hasn't been kicked as yet. We have a shrewd owner who loves the club and let's face it, his motivation isn't financial gain is it? He obviously has his reasons for doing what he's doing. He loves the club. He's a fan and wants success but he also has an air of realism. We don't have the best manager in the world but he's far from the worst. The game is very different from 20 years ago and a club of our size is doing well to be in and around a mid table position. Were financially sound and have players we could only dream about 10 years ago but what do we get, a whole host of negativity from newer supporters and many older ones who quite frankly should know better. We do have a very difficult 2 months ahead with the fixtures and it's quite possible we could have a similar start to last season. I dread to hear the comments and reaction in the coming weeks. I'm totally disliking the whole negative vibe amongst supporters of this era. People from Stoke are special so lets get a bit of realism back in our bones and get behind our amazing club. The area, the people and our team is something to be proud of. Come on, let's be real and let's be true and let's be one. Differing opinions are great, total negativity because you're a bit thick and ungrateful is another. Have a nice day. People are just concerned. The performances last season left a lot to be desired. The squad needed strengthening yet we've taken a step back. We've lost 2 of our best players, and that's a big loss. Despite having money to spend, it looks like we're trying to do things on the cheap. A free transfer, a loan signing and a youngster who looks someway off. Out next signing looks likely to be a free transfer too. That is all a bit concerning for me. Spending money doesn't guarantee success, but it can certainly help. Maybe the owners don't trust Hughes to spend large amounts of money on players though. Imbula has been a disaster, Joe Allen doesn't look like he's added 12 million pounds of value to the team and Berahino looks garbage too. 15 million quid yet Diouf and Joselu both look better options. It's all a sorry state of affairs to be honest. This all the way - I actually think that it shows a certain level of intellect to 'happy clap' along with everything that the club do without any critique whatsoever. |
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Post by simple on Aug 6, 2017 10:31:45 GMT
Maybe just maybe there is good reason for the negativity? People are genuinely worried that we will get relegated and can't see that the club are doing anything to stop that. People will panic, it's what people do. If we get relagated which I don't think we will even if we brought no one in,it's still Stoke city who we will watch week in and week out.If so called fans say they will not attend if we got relagated then we are better off without them. |
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Post by stokemark on Aug 6, 2017 10:32:27 GMT
Excellent debating skills chap.
And it's you who hates social media?
What's the betting he voted Remain Well he probably did because he can at least string a sentence together |
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Post by stokemark on Aug 6, 2017 10:33:32 GMT
Maybe just maybe there is good reason for the negativity? People are genuinely worried that we will get relegated and can't see that the club are doing anything to stop that. People will panic, it's what people do. If we get relagated which I don't think we will even if we brought no one in,it's still Stoke city who we will watch week in and week out.If so called fans say they will not attend if we got relagated then we are better off without them. So it's all ok to who's no ambition and accept our fate - what utter crap |
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Post by Gods on Aug 6, 2017 10:35:37 GMT
Excellent debating skills chap.
And it's you who hates social media?
What's the betting he voted Remain I think he is a Brexit man. It's all about to go badly wrong and he has decided to ignore all logic, fix an inane grin on his face and happy-clap his way through this debacle  |
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