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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 5, 2017 19:09:10 GMT
Overall our best pre-season for several years, I am talking workouts not results and hopefully we will be in better shape when we start. Clear to everyone we still need players but so do most teams around us. Outside of the top 7, Leicester and Bournemouth have done well so far and maybe West Ham, though I am less sure on Zabaleta and Hernandez than some, but the rest are no further forward than us. The ideal would be the to get players in early, the reality is that it is rarely going to happen for club's outside the elite. We clearly need a left sided centre back, another midfielder, a pace you attacking player and a left wing back if we want to play that way. I personally would be looking at 4-3-3, I am not convinced we have the players for 3-4-3
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 5, 2017 19:10:56 GMT
block 22 - I come from a school where, if the chances aren't coming from teamplay if you are any kind of real striker - you get the ball - turn and make them yourself. what we've got is: a last man on the shoulder, goal poacher who cant even poach a fucking egg !I say, let people who actually can score the occasional goal for us, have a go instead How often was the ball in and around their penalty box to poach ? If we had Suarez up top today it would have been no different I'm afraid. The only time the ball came into the half it was on the wings and bera certainly isn't going to get on the end of crosses. The system we play is far more suited to Crouch or Joselu not Bera, if we don't play through the middle we might as well play with 9 as both Bojan and Bera were making the numbers up.
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 5, 2017 19:13:37 GMT
I'm very happy we won and am laughing at the hypocrisy of some on this message board after all, Eric Deserves 'it' whilst 'cant hit a cows arse with a banjo EVER' seemingly ----- doesn't ? (He's making Keith Scott look lethal right now) it'd be funny too - if it hadnt cost us £15m Eric gets slating by everyone for a reason..he is poor and has been for a long time. Once again, how many clear chances did Saido get? None. He gets no service whatsoever yet he is the one blamed. But of course some people only see what they want to see, they don't do factsThink you're being a bit guilty of this yourself here mate. I've been trying to make these excuses for him myself, but as this pre-season has gone on I'm finding it harder to do. Maybe his confidence is right down, I don't know, but I don't think the runs he's making are that good, his angles aren't great, nor is is timing. To me he seems slow to see the play and a yard too slow across the ground. Today I saw Boj, Diouf and Shaq all looking for him on several occasions and he just wasn't making the right move. You can moan about him not getting the service, but it's a two way street. You can't keep saying it's always everyone else's fault. PS, no point arguing with me, I've never known myself be wrong
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Post by mickmacc on Aug 5, 2017 19:15:19 GMT
Oh please really. The guy is not starved of service. He just makes all the wrong runs if he makes runs at all. He is a poor poor player who has scored 1 goal in 42 games.
Criticising him is not knicker wetting. It's stating the bloody obvious.
Sadly.
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Post by senojbor on Aug 5, 2017 19:25:47 GMT
That's more like it! Great result and pleased for the supporters who went over. Plenty of positives today
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 5, 2017 19:31:09 GMT
That's more like it! Great result and pleased for the supporters who went over. Plenty of positives today For the love of god don't post anything positive, it's unnatural and not to be trusted. Have a brew calm yourself down and come back after an angry wank when you've something to be negative about. Negativity is the only thing that keeps the oatcake going and we wouldn't want to spoil that now with this kind of behaviour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 19:37:39 GMT
I've got to be honest. I thought Berahino would solve our goalscoring record. Looks like I was wrong, again. I'm beginning to doubt myself now. I do not believe I'm wrong about Johnson and Pieters though.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 5, 2017 20:15:28 GMT
Yet again Berahinogoals is proving his doubters right, Pulis did warn us !!!!!!! Hughes had a hard on for this waster and spunked another £15 million down the shitter. Another tool who's disappointed we won. Not at all disappointed a win is a win even if it is only a friendly, I am however disappointed that the striker Hughes has been chasing for the last three transfer windows appears to be well not very good at his job, Joselu has scored two braces in recent friendlies yet Hughes starts with Berahino who could not score in a brothel.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 5, 2017 20:36:58 GMT
Another tool who's disappointed we won. Not at all disappointed a win is a win even if it is only a friendly, I am however disappointed that the striker Hughes has been chasing for the last three transfer windows appears to be well not very good at his job, Joselu has scored two braces in recent friendlies yet Hughes starts with Berahino who could not score in a brothel. How do you know it is Hughes that has chased him for 3 windows? Could it not be the transfer team that had the hard on for him?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 5, 2017 20:53:15 GMT
If you don't think Pieters is bad then there is no hope. There's a reason he's the most complained about player on here for the last year or so. There you go again you see. I could respond with "if you don't think s centre forward who does a passable impression of the invisible man is bad then there is no hope". What you are saying is that it is only fair to criticise players YOU don't like but not the ones YOU do. Pieters is a very good (old fashioned), defensive left back. However, he is required to do more than just defend and this where he falls short because his crosses are generally very poor. This makes him look bad and likely has a detrimental effect on his confidence.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 5, 2017 21:29:00 GMT
There you go again you see. I could respond with "if you don't think s centre forward who does a passable impression of the invisible man is bad then there is no hope". What you are saying is that it is only fair to criticise players YOU don't like but not the ones YOU do. Pieters is a very good (old fashioned), defensive left back. However, he is required to do more than just defend and this where he falls short because his crosses are generally very poor. This makes him look bad and likely has a detrimental effect on his confidence. It is, in my opinion, very harsh to beat him with the stick of not being able to cross a ball consistently well. He is a defender and generally he defends well. He's become a target for the boo boys because he doesn't cross the ball like arnie.
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 5, 2017 21:47:32 GMT
There you go again you see. I could respond with "if you don't think s centre forward who does a passable impression of the invisible man is bad then there is no hope". What you are saying is that it is only fair to criticise players YOU don't like but not the ones YOU do. Pieters is a very good (old fashioned), defensive left back. However, he is required to do more than just defend and this where he falls short because his crosses are generally very poor. This makes him look bad and likely has a detrimental effect on his confidence. IMHO I couldn't agree more. Leslie has hung both Pieters and Bardsley (in the past) out to dry in the past to persist with an unbalanced formation. Both have learnt their trade as defenders first and foremost who have/had the ability to get forward to support an attack when safe to do so. Neither are "wing backs" and never will be. Leslie's persitence in the aforementioned also meant that Central defenders were (are) pulled out of position to cover the spaces where a defending full back would normally be, hence criticism of the central defenders. Our previous Manager was accused of playing "square pegs in round holes" but he was only an apprentice if you consider our last three years. IMHO!!
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 5, 2017 21:48:34 GMT
Another tool who's disappointed we won. Not at all disappointed a win is a win even if it is only a friendly, I am however disappointed that the striker Hughes has been chasing for the last three transfer windows appears to be well not very good at his job, Joselu has scored two braces in recent friendlies yet Hughes starts with Berahino who could not score in a brothel. So Hughes is just supposed to give up on him then and not try to get him scoring in friendlies ? How do you know Hughes hasn't made his mind up to start Joselu next week but wanted to give Bera the chance to prove him wrong.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 5, 2017 22:05:43 GMT
Eric gets slating by everyone for a reason..he is poor and has been for a long time. Once again, how many clear chances did Saido get? None. He gets no service whatsoever yet he is the one blamed. But of course some people only see what they want to see, they don't do factsThink you're being a bit guilty of this yourself here mate. I've been trying to make these excuses for him myself, but as this pre-season has gone on I'm finding it harder to do. Maybe his confidence is right down, I don't know, but I don't think the runs he's making are that good, his angles aren't great, nor is is timing. To me he seems slow to see the play and a yard too slow across the ground. Today I saw Boj, Diouf and Shaq all looking for him on several occasions and he just wasn't making the right move. You can moan about him not getting the service, but it's a two way street. You can't keep saying it's always everyone else's fault. PS, no point arguing with me, I've never known myself be wrong Have to agree, I desperately want Berahino to be a success but there's only so many times you can claim he doesn't get the service. The same people critisize Diouf for wasting chances in front of goal!! The clear comparison is that one striker's movement and pace creates himself opportunities and the other one doesn't.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 5, 2017 22:22:51 GMT
Not at all disappointed a win is a win even if it is only a friendly, I am however disappointed that the striker Hughes has been chasing for the last three transfer windows appears to be well not very good at his job, Joselu has scored two braces in recent friendlies yet Hughes starts with Berahino who could not score in a brothel. So Hughes is just supposed to give up on him then and not try to get him scoring in friendlies ? How do you know Hughes hasn't made his mind up to start Joselu next week but wanted to give Bera the chance to prove him wrong. We will see next weekend
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 22:25:29 GMT
.........Jack......... ...New.....Ryan... Zouma Diouf.................Erik .....Fletch....Allen.... Shaq.................New .........Saido/New.......
3 or 4 new signings should do it.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 5, 2017 22:34:10 GMT
Eric gets slating by everyone for a reason..he is poor and has been for a long time. Once again, how many clear chances did Saido get? None. He gets no service whatsoever yet he is the one blamed. But of course some people only see what they want to see, they don't do factsThink you're being a bit guilty of this yourself here mate. I've been trying to make these excuses for him myself, but as this pre-season has gone on I'm finding it harder to do. Maybe his confidence is right down, I don't know, but I don't think the runs he's making are that good, his angles aren't great, nor is is timing. To me he seems slow to see the play and a yard too slow across the ground. Today I saw Boj, Diouf and Shaq all looking for him on several occasions and he just wasn't making the right move. You can moan about him not getting the service, but it's a two way street. You can't keep saying it's always everyone else's fault. PS, no point arguing with me, I've never known myself be wrong Me too. I've so wanted berahino to do well, and although our build up play makes it difficult for a striker, saido isn't doing enough. I don't think he will be starting the season. I hope I am wrong and he starts scoring
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Aug 5, 2017 23:38:36 GMT
Pieters is a very good (old fashioned), defensive left back. However, he is required to do more than just defend and this where he falls short because his crosses are generally very poor. This makes him look bad and likely has a detrimental effect on his confidence. It is, in my opinion, very harsh to beat him with the stick of not being able to cross a ball consistently well. He is a defender and generally he defends well. He's become a target for the boo boys because he doesn't cross the ball like arnie. At least he puts in a shift EVERY WEEK, unlike Arnie......and let's be honest; some of Arnie's crosses ended up in the grandstand!!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 6, 2017 6:20:11 GMT
Well I have had to be dragged around Hanley all afternoon and had to rely on crafty sneaks at the Oatie to find out how we had done. No surprise that the usual suspects were doing a sterling job of convincing me how shit Stoke are and how easily the Premier League teams will find it to put dozens past us . I get to the end and find that we have actually beaten a team that is in the Champions League and finished runners up to Bayern Munich- and still the usual moaners are having a go. Man up and let her indoors drag herself round the shops!
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Post by skelman on Aug 6, 2017 8:02:06 GMT
Over 21,000 clearly thought this was going to be a nonchalant knockabout! That's even more than Wednesday got for Rangers!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 6, 2017 9:04:39 GMT
A lot of positives in this game as I see it! Ryan back to his usual standard for one, Diouf good on the right again, also thought Ramadan showed a lot of promise after coming on and Shaq starting to show what a player he really is. The biggest let down again was Berahino who is almost invisible and Eric who still makes too many wrong decisions in my opinion. I'd love to see Berahino shine, but I really can't see it happen any longer. He isn't that quick, not very good in the air and he isn't the best at holding the ball up either. To justify playing him he then has to score goals, something he doesn't, so for me it's time for Joselu or Crouch.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 6, 2017 9:36:38 GMT
Diouf was our best player, hes a beast at right wing-back. Shaq is really on it at the moment Bojan looks absolutely lost Berahino making aimless runs and doesnt look a Prem player to me
Also worried about that midfield 3 of Allen, Fletcher, Adam (or another) - lots of effort but zero creativity from the middle Stop Shaqiri and you stop Stoke its that simple When you say aimless do you mean he was making a run hoping that someone would actually play him the ball? No I mean aimless in that he made diagonal runs that Shaqiri 2 or 3 times played for him to run onto, but Berahino was too slow and he ended out wide. He should be making runs THROUGH THE MIDDLE and towards goals but he was constantly running towards the corner flag. I just found it strange
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2017 11:00:36 GMT
It is, in my opinion, very harsh to beat him with the stick of not being able to cross a ball consistently well. He is a defender and generally he defends well. He's become a target for the boo boys because he doesn't cross the ball like arnie. At least he puts in a shift EVERY WEEK, unlike Arnie......and let's be honest; some of Arnie's crosses ended up in the grandstand!! Which is kind of my point. He's slaughtered for his crossing but is it really so much worse than the vast majority of other full backs out there?
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Post by meirparkpotter on Aug 6, 2017 12:36:07 GMT
Who's this Sheridan Shari that lined up alongside Bojan and Bera in the match yesterday? "MARK HUGHES is hoping Bojan’s injury scare proves nothing more than just that after he limped off during the second half of Saturday’s pre-season friendly against RB Leipzig. The Spanish maestro impressed alongside Saido Berahino and Sheridan Shari in a front three, but was unfortunately withdrawn shortly after the hour mark after picking up a knock". www.stokecityfc.com/news/hughes-hoping-bojan-scare-isnt-serious
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