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Post by bhp on Aug 2, 2017 23:01:38 GMT
Interesting article on The Sentinel earlier (apologies if this article has already been discussed) about the potential long term plans for the recruitment of players. Cartwright goes on to say.. "I don't think we're there yet but we see a lot of players who we could quite easily go and spend £1m or £2m on – but if we're spending that money they'd have to go into our first team squad. "Whereas if we have a conduit to be able to buy them then put them in a place like this then hopefully by the time we get them back they are valued at £5m, £6m, £7m, £8m and they are then going directly into Mark Hughes's squad. "Our objective is to find players for £2m before they are eventually worth £15m, develop them and then put them in our team. If that helps gets players through to our first team then it's working." Link to the article if you dare to face the adverts: m.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-on-tour-mark-cartwright-hopes-to-use-st-pauli-link-to-help-recruit-and-develop-stars/story-30467125-detail/story.htmlWhat do you think of what our technical director has to say? Horse shite just like everything else? Personally I think he's spot on in terms of a long term plan for our football club, we can't (or won't) spend like the top 7 or other mid table teams to this particular moment so we have to have our own way if developing first team players. Yes, this is similar to what Chelsea and Manchester City (to a lesser extent) are doing but there's no arguing that it helps to develop the majority of players. Some could argue that how many have made it at Chelsea and are constant first team players? Which is harsh to disregard to strategy based on this as Chelsea need ready made class to fit straight into the team. Quite a few of them could play at a mid table team like us. And of course you have De Bruyne and Lukaku who were once involved in this mass loan farm and have gone on to be class players albeit not for Chelsea. However, this is a long term startegy and not one for the short to medium term. |
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Post by that's our Ric on Aug 2, 2017 23:09:17 GMT
Sounds like a school boy !!
Got to be a smoke screen wind up, or we can forget Premier League status
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 2, 2017 23:15:18 GMT
Interesting article on The Sentinel earlier (apologies if this article has already been discussed) about the potential long term plans for the recruitment of players. Cartwright goes on to say.. "I don't think we're there yet but we see a lot of players who we could quite easily go and spend £1m or £2m on – but if we're spending that money they'd have to go into our first team squad. "Whereas if we have a conduit to be able to buy them then put them in a place like this then hopefully by the time we get them back they are valued at £5m, £6m, £7m, £8m and they are then going directly into Mark Hughes's squad. "Our objective is to find players for £2m before they are eventually worth £15m, develop them and then put them in our team. If that helps gets players through to our first team then it's working." Link to the article if you dare to face the adverts: m.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-on-tour-mark-cartwright-hopes-to-use-st-pauli-link-to-help-recruit-and-develop-stars/story-30467125-detail/story.htmlWhat do you think of what our technical director has to say? Horse shite just like everything else? Personally I think he's spot on in terms of a long term plan for our football club, we can't (or won't) spend like the top 7 or other mid table teams to this particular moment so we have to have our own way if developing first team players. Yes, this is similar to what Chelsea and Manchester City (to a lesser extent) are doing but there's no arguing that it helps to develop the majority of players. Some could argue that how many have made it at Chelsea and are constant first team players? Which is harsh to disregard to strategy based on this as Chelsea need ready made class to fit straight into the team. Quite a few of them could play at a mid table team like us. And of course you have De Bruyne and Lukaku who were once involved in this mass loan farm and have gone on to be class players albeit not for Chelsea. However, this is a long term startegy and not one for the short to medium term. It's the right strategy being able to sign players where work permits may be an issue or to blood them in a competitive league is the future as clubs such as Chelsea Utd and Man City have shown and continue to show |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 2, 2017 23:19:52 GMT
It's embarrassing, like he's found out some super secret trick that literally no other fucking club in the whole fucking world have thought of doing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:20:57 GMT
Hopefully a smokescreen but hard to give benefit of the doubt
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:24:13 GMT
Hopefully a smokescreen but hard to give benefit of the doubt
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 2, 2017 23:25:48 GMT
Does he mean 1 or 2million on youth players? And for them to develop they'd have to be in the first team, where as having an affiliate with St Pauli allows us to loan to them as we can't accommodate said players in the first team?
Only way the quote can make sense.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2017 23:31:35 GMT
"we see a lot of players who we could quite easily go and spend £1m or £2m on – but if we're spending that money they'd have to go into our first team squad."
Well that's utter horse shit.
As for the rest of it, it's a mixture of contradiction, the obvious and a bit of fantasy.
Pretty much what I'd expect from our 'recruitment' department.
How about you use your alleged skills and spend the £50M we have burning a hole in our arse pockets, on the players we desperately need to improve us because of your past failings, you ridiculous man?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2017 23:37:52 GMT
I think the premise is excellent tbh.
But what planet is he living in with the comment about 1 million pound players being in the first team?
I mean that'd be lovely but it's just not the reality is it?
And if it is, it's after years of development which defeats that point he's made and is why we're doing this.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 2, 2017 23:40:58 GMT
Nothing in it, lets make a stick!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2017 23:43:58 GMT
I think the premise is excellent tbh. But what planet is he living in with the comment about 1 million pound players being in the first team? I mean that'd be lovely but it's just not the reality is it? And if it is, it's after years of development which defeats that point he's made and is why we're doing this. The only slack I'd give him after this bollocks is that Denise waving her strap on about isn't always that amusing is it? When the front of house looks like a condemned Longton Pot Bank that should be the primary (if not the only) focus at this time of year. Not the time at all for this smoke and mirrors bollocks. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 2, 2017 23:53:18 GMT
Does he mean 1 or 2million on youth players? And for them to develop they'd have to be in the first team, where as having an affiliate with St Pauli allows us to loan to them as we can't accommodate said players in the first team? Only way the quote can make sense. I think you have something there, I can't be arsed to analyse his comments forensically, but I am sure it's all about context, and your suggestion at least stands up to some scrutiny, he may be a lot of things but he's not completely crackers. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2017 23:53:56 GMT
I think the premise is excellent tbh. But what planet is he living in with the comment about 1 million pound players being in the first team? I mean that'd be lovely but it's just not the reality is it? And if it is, it's after years of development which defeats that point he's made and is why we're doing this. The only slack I'd give him after this bollocks is that Denise waving her strap on about isn't always that amusing is it? When the front of house looks like a condemned Longton Pot Bank that should be the primary (if not the only) focus at this time of year. Not the time at all for this smoke and mirrors bollocks. Haha it isn't! And I can't remember what thread it was on but it was a glib comment I made but made really with a seriousness behind it. About her firing Peter a look about the spending hence where we are. I have no idea if that's the case but it wouldn't be at all surprising would it? This plan is ace if we weren't facing a relegation battle. And I still think it is ultimately but it's no bloody use if we get relegated! |
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Post by Stokyo on Aug 2, 2017 23:57:32 GMT
1million pound players in the first team? Does he think hes in the championship already? You have a year to wait you useless pizza guzzling fool.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 3, 2017 0:13:46 GMT
We cracked 1m for Shawcross and Cort in the division below, ten fucking years ago!
Fuck me man, we nearly cracked 1m for Sammy Bangoura two years before that!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 3, 2017 0:40:47 GMT
How is he still employed by this club the fucking incompetent, rotund chode.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Aug 3, 2017 0:44:01 GMT
How is he still employed by this club the fucking incompetent, rotund chode. That is absolute genius. Take a bow. |
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Post by StoKeith on Aug 3, 2017 0:47:35 GMT
I guess he's saying if you spend £1m on a promising player, you'd have to put them in the first team squad as you couldn't just stick them in the U23 squad. I think he's then suggesting that those £1m players not yet good enough for the first team proper yet too advanced to go in the U23s can develop in Germany to gain experience and value.
As said above, it's hardly a revolutionary idea, but I'm glad to see we're slowly catching up.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 3, 2017 0:56:57 GMT
Why not take his comments contextually rather than hang onto his words as if they're gospel. Forget the figures he's quoted and insert reality. As Bayern says above, I think the premise is excellent tbh. But what planet is he living in with the comment about 1 million pound players being in the first team?
Two things could scupper the long-term vision: Brexit, and how fickle the modern Stoke fans are. I'm not sure they could get away with such a sensible plan.
OS.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 3, 2017 1:03:46 GMT
I guess that Tymon is the sort of player that he means?
Do you even get first team players for less than £2,000,000 these days, unless you're Burnley or Villa and want to buy one of our stalwarts?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 1:19:04 GMT
"we see a lot of players who we could quite easily go and spend £1m or £2m on – but if we're spending that money they'd have to go into our first team squad." Well that's utter horse shit. As for the rest of it, it's a mixture of contradiction, the obvious and a bit of fantasy. Pretty much what I'd expect from our 'recruitment' department. How about you use your alleged skills and spend the £50M we have burning a hole in our arse pockets, on the players we desperately need to improve us because of your past failings, you ridiculous man? I agree. I honestly think he's stealing a living. |
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Post by kustokie on Aug 3, 2017 1:25:20 GMT
You don't save for a rainy day when it's pissing down!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 3, 2017 2:58:27 GMT
Why do we have to do this with a German club?
.......and what happened to having a proper reserve team with professionals fighting hard to get back into the starting eleven?
Do St Pauli play a similar formation to Stoke or employ similar training methods?
Is blooding players in the championship, league 1 & 2 or even Orlando not sexy enough?
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Aug 3, 2017 3:33:36 GMT
With the desperate need of quality players from last season and the 30 million roughly generated... 100 million could be made available to really go out and get 3 or 4 top players and build a team around shaquri and butland. And stop giving fucked up contracts that say if I want to leave next year the club must allow it. (Arnie). So if he broke his leg badly, stoke would fund in wages 20 million plus in wages. Talk about having it both ways. New corner, new seats, be no fucker in Em in 2 month. Club run as a business, end of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 3:54:31 GMT
Behind the scenes, it's all fucked up.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 3, 2017 4:12:36 GMT
Behind the scenes, it's all fucked up. You sound just like Arnie's brother  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 4:14:18 GMT
Behind the scenes, it's all fucked up. You sound just like Arnie's brother No apple strudel, no funny haircut, no lederhosen, no strange hat with a feather in it, and no millionaire brother. Close, nein cigar. |
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Post by mrred on Aug 3, 2017 4:48:57 GMT
It's so comforting knowing people like this are in important positions at the club. Bravo Stoke, you never cease to amaze me.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 3, 2017 5:12:02 GMT
You sound just like Arnie's brother No apple strudel, no funny haircut, no lederhosen, no strange hat with a feather in it, and no millionaire brother. Close, nein cigar. You sure about the hat & the lederhosen cowboy? |
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 3, 2017 6:14:59 GMT
Name me on player we have brought that we have improved ? Before u scream arnie at me he was always a very good player he just had attitude issues . Our scouting system is a joke we have spent 30m on imbula and scuff a shout siado that don't cut the mustard. We have been buying youth players from other clubs since we have been in the premier and not one had made the grade to step up.anyone who knows football knows if you had. 100 youth players only a small hand full would play at a descent level and the rest fall to the waste side . He is taking the piss out of us stoke fans but bullshitting us with this crap . All the good youth players are already scouted and signed up from a young level by other clubs . And the ones we sniff around are the ones they throw in the bin and on top of that are scouring system is a fucking joke we scout players we pay 18m and 13m for who can't even score or play in the premiere. They guy is a tool and if the board believe his shit then they need fucking off as well
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