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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 17:24:08 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 1, 2017 17:24:08 GMT
I don't understand.
If you play three at the back, and challenge your defenders to come out with the ball, if they lose it you need two top notch, quick defensive mids to cover them, or ngolo kante.
So why are we pursuing this stupid idea when we don't have any top class, quick, defensive midfielders?
Watching this st pauli game, all the opposition have to do is sit back, pack their half, when our defender gambles we get hit on the break.
A poor idea that doesn't suit our squad
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 17:25:00 GMT
Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 1, 2017 17:25:00 GMT
Yes let's blame the midfielders speed for our centre-backs coming out with the ball.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 1, 2017 17:26:11 GMT
Never mind quick defensive midfielders , we don't have any decent wing backs. MH does have strange ideas, wrong formations for the players he uses.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 1, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
Yes let's blame the midfielders speed for our centre-backs coming out with the ball. No when playing three at the back it is generally accepted you are wanting a couple of those defenders to be able to come out and try to begin attacks sometimes. We don't have midfielders who will be on the cover etc. You missed my point
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 1, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Yes let's blame the midfielders speed for our centre-backs coming out with the ball. No when playing three at the back it is generally accepted you are wanting a couple of those defenders to be able to come out and try to begin attacks sometimes. We don't have midfielders who will be on the cover etc. You missed my point I really don't see that as the issue with us playing 3 at the back. We need wing backs.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 1, 2017 17:37:08 GMT
Totally not suited to his squad. He arsed around with it pre season last year, even at Hamburg the final friendly.
It's a waste of valuable game time. It won't work now as it didn't then, for the same reasons.
He really doesn't know his arse from his elbow these days does he.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 17:51:03 GMT
Many, many people have said that he doesn't know his best eleven. He also (as many others have said), does not know what is his best formation! I am very worried.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2017 18:31:43 GMT
The squad isn't made for 3 at the back.
Why the daft sod keeps trying it is anyone's guess.
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 18:32:32 GMT
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Post by RAF on Aug 1, 2017 18:32:32 GMT
I've just hammered a team playing 3-4-3 using a 5-4-1 formation in xpert eleven. Hughes needs to take heed of this!
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 18:32:57 GMT
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 1, 2017 18:32:57 GMT
Have we all got this 3 at the back and 'wing backs' nonsense out of our heads now?! :-)
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 1, 2017 18:35:22 GMT
Simplified post St Pauli:
Defence....Scheisse Midfield.....Scheisse
Attacking options...Joselu
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 1, 2017 18:43:22 GMT
People realise this was a friendly where you are meant to experiment right ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2017 18:46:30 GMT
People realise this was a friendly where you are meant to experiment right ? Indeed. Experiment with a plan A (we don't have one). And don't experiment with a formation we haven't got the players for. That's just stupid.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2017 18:48:06 GMT
The squad isn't made for 3 at the back. Why the daft sod keeps trying it is anyone's guess. As it stands its difficult to see what the squad is made for, he's made such a mess of it.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 1, 2017 18:51:35 GMT
I'd rather he pissed about now than come the start of the season. Maybe the set up was just to look at the likes of Sweeney Tymon Souter and Edwards and experiment whether it suited them ? (Which I agree failed) but regardless its a friendly which has no bearing on anything.
Go look at our friendly record over the last ten years, it makes for very, very poor reading.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:55:40 GMT
We simply don't have the wing backs. We really don't.
Pieters and Johnson aren't. Tymon doesn't look quite ready defensively (although I think he is the most natural positionally out of the lot) and Diouf, as game as he is, I feel is wasted there. He's a reaction forward to be played up front and through the middle, and nowhere else.
If we went out tomorrow and brought in two lads who are 22-26 and fast, fit attacking full back/wing back types then yes, it's a good formation that seems to get the best out of Shaqiri and quite possibly Berahino. Until then, it should be canned.
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
We simply don't have the wing backs. We really don't. Pieters and Johnson aren't. Tymon doesn't look quite ready defensively (although I think he is the most natural positionally out of the lot) and Diouf, as game as he is, I feel is wasted there. He's a reaction forward to be played up front and through the middle, and nowhere else. If we went out tomorrow and brought in two lads who are 22-26 and fast, fit attacking full back/wing back types then yes, it's a good formation that seems to get the best out of Shaqiri and quite possibly Berahino. Until then, it should be canned. Tymon looks way off being ready for Premier League football though. I really do think he needs a loan and consistent playing time somewhere. It's best for him and us.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
I'd rather he pissed about now than come the start of the season. Maybe the set up was just to look at the likes of Sweeney Tymon Souter and Edwards and experiment whether it suited them ? (Which I agree failed) but regardless its a friendly which has no bearing on anything. Go look at our friendly record over the last ten years, it makes for very, very poor reading. From the outside looking in it still looks to me that he hasn't got a clue what he doing or who his best 11 is, I wounder what the odds are that he walks at some point in the season, I can see it coming.
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 19:12:04 GMT
Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2017 19:12:04 GMT
I remain in shock that we are considering starting this season with Johnson and Edwards our only right back options
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Aug 1, 2017 19:19:43 GMT
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Post by TheRealTimShady on Aug 1, 2017 19:19:43 GMT
As much 343 didn't work today I feel it could be a success if we get 2 new wing backs in. We have only just started playing this system you have to give them time to get used to it. Just feel we need a change this season. Last thing I want to see is a 4231 or 433 from last season because nothing will change, still be the same slow build up with an isolated striker and attackers getting in behind our full backs every 3 minutes. Ye this system will need a lot of patience and hard work to execute it effectively but three at the back could be a way of allowing a bit more attacking freedom for our "flair" players. Just my thoughts anyway
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 1, 2017 19:26:13 GMT
As much 343 didn't work today I feel it could be a success if we get 2 new wing backs in. We have only just started playing this system you have to give them time to get used to it. Just feel we need a change this season. Last thing I want to see is a 4231 or 433 from last season because nothing will change, still be the same slow build up with an isolated striker and attackers getting in behind our full backs every 3 minutes. Ye this system will need a lot of patience and hard work to execute it effectively but three at the back could be a way of allowing a bit more attacking freedom for our "flair" players. Just my thoughts anyway You realise we fairly regularly played this system last season as well right Timmy? And the problems with it were just as evident then?
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Aug 1, 2017 19:45:51 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 1, 2017 19:45:51 GMT
I think the defensive midfielders are more important than the wing backs in this formation. We don't have any!
Chelsea last season had two pretty good wing backs. Neither are anything special.
They had kante and matic in midfield.
Look at the gaps between midfield and our cb's today.
There is no point experimenting with that formation and having adam and imbula in your midfield unless it is an experiment in showing everyone how to do 3-4-3 in a really abysmal way which would guarantee you lose every game
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 19:53:09 GMT
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Post by TheRealTimShady on Aug 1, 2017 19:53:09 GMT
As much 343 didn't work today I feel it could be a success if we get 2 new wing backs in. We have only just started playing this system you have to give them time to get used to it. Just feel we need a change this season. Last thing I want to see is a 4231 or 433 from last season because nothing will change, still be the same slow build up with an isolated striker and attackers getting in behind our full backs every 3 minutes. Ye this system will need a lot of patience and hard work to execute it effectively but three at the back could be a way of allowing a bit more attacking freedom for our "flair" players. Just my thoughts anyway You realise we fairly regularly played this system last season as well right Timmy? And the problems with it were just as evident then? Yes we did experiment with it several times last year but we didn't have any proper wing backs. If (and I know it's a big if) we can get 2 energetic wing backs in just think the system could work for us. Just feel we need a change, don't see much changing unless we have a change of system. Can't watch another 18 months of Hughes' version of a 433 (451)
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3-4-3
Aug 1, 2017 19:54:40 GMT
Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2017 19:54:40 GMT
I think the defensive midfielders are more important than the wing backs in this formation. We don't have any! Chelsea last season had two pretty good wing backs. Neither are anything special. They had kante and matic in midfield. Look at the gaps between midfield and our cb's today. There is no point experimenting with that formation and having adam and imbula in your midfield unless it is an experiment in showing everyone how to do 3-4-3 in a really abysmal way which would guarantee you lose every game Very valid points
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Post by TheRealTimShady on Aug 1, 2017 19:58:30 GMT
I think the defensive midfielders are more important than the wing backs in this formation. We don't have any! Chelsea last season had two pretty good wing backs. Neither are anything special. They had kante and matic in midfield. Look at the gaps between midfield and our cb's today. There is no point experimenting with that formation and having adam and imbula in your midfield unless it is an experiment in showing everyone how to do 3-4-3 in a really abysmal way which would guarantee you lose every game I would disagree I think we already have 2 midfielders good enough to pull of this system. Fletcher (the deep lying midfielder to provide cover for the defense, break up play and start our attacks) and Allen (our energetic box to box midfielder). But I agree this system does certainly not work with 2 attacking minded midfielders. As proved today.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 1, 2017 20:07:11 GMT
You realise we fairly regularly played this system last season as well right Timmy? And the problems with it were just as evident then? Yes we did experiment with it several times last year but we didn't have any proper wing backs. If (and I know it's a big if) we can get 2 energetic wing backs in just think the system could work for us. Just feel we need a change, don't see much changing unless we have a change of system. Can't watch another 18 months of Hughes' version of a 433 (451) We're not going to though are we? Hughes said he let Bardsley go because of Edwards' progress and Tymon is the competition for Pieters.
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Aug 2, 2017 5:42:26 GMT
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 2, 2017 5:42:26 GMT
Play 3-4-3 with the current squad and we will get fuckng battered.
This tinkering with formation is what caused us the issues last year.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 5:48:02 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 2, 2017 5:48:02 GMT
I've just hammered a team playing 3-4-3 using a 5-4-1 formation in xpert eleven. Hughes needs to take heed of this! H You really shouldn't be playing computer at your age
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 5:55:41 GMT
Post by juiceandbits on Aug 2, 2017 5:55:41 GMT
The squad isn't made for 3 at the back. Why the daft sod keeps trying it is anyone's guess. Literally asked while watching the game how may players playing were suited to the formation.
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Aug 2, 2017 6:02:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 6:02:03 GMT
Considering how easily we conced goals with 4 at the back, why would you think having less numbers back would improve the situation. We haven't tried it at all and no one seems to use it but trying a sweeper might help stop the influx of goals.
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