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Aug 2, 2017 6:29:51 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 2, 2017 6:29:51 GMT
Play 3-4-3 with the current squad and we will get fuckng battered. This tinkering with formation is what caused us the issues last year. That and not rebuilding the squad with suitable players.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 2, 2017 6:31:52 GMT
I don't understand. If you play three at the back, and challenge your defenders to come out with the ball, if they lose it you need two top notch, quick defensive mids to cover them, or ngolo kante. So why are we pursuing this stupid idea when we don't have any top class, quick, defensive midfielders? Watching this st pauli game, all the opposition have to do is sit back, pack their half, when our defender gambles we get hit on the break. A poor idea that doesn't suit our squad Our squad doesn't suit any system, and only one man can be blamed for that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2017 6:59:22 GMT
Considering how easily we conced goals with 4 at the back, why would you think having less numbers back would improve the situation. We haven't tried it at all and no one seems to use it but trying a sweeper might help stop the influx of goals. Decent full backs and a DM would do the trick. The CBs last season weren't the issue. The space down the side and in front of them was. Stop that space and it means the team is instantly in a better shape and it means the CBs won't feel the need to go out and cover that space. Because when that happens is when you're fucked.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 8:00:48 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 2, 2017 8:00:48 GMT
...........Butland...........
......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters......
Sobhi...Fletcher...Allen...?Delph?
......Shaqiri......Imbula........
.............Diouf...............
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2017 8:49:41 GMT
...........Butland........... ......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters...... Sobhi...Fletcher...Allen...?Delph? ......Shaqiri......Imbula........ .............Diouf............... You've got a left back at centre back but he can play centre back so it's just about ok. But then you have a left winger at right wing back. A central midfielder at left wing back. And Imbula. We don't have the squad!
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Post by Malex on Aug 2, 2017 9:03:20 GMT
...........Butland........... ......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters...... Sobhi...Fletcher...Allen...?Delph? ......Shaqiri......Imbula........ .............Diouf............... You've got a left back at centre back but he can play centre back so it's just about ok. But then you have a left winger at right wing back. A central midfielder at left wing back. And Imbula. We don't have the squad! I Put this team on the Joselu thread as I feel it's best we can do whilst accommodating Allen and Saido, neither of which we should have bought in the first place but Hughes will feel obliged to play. More of a 3-4-1-2 than a 3-4-3 ...........Butland........... ......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters...... Diouf...Fletcher...Allen...Sobhi .............Shaqiri............. ......Joselu......Berahino........ This is assuming that we get the Sobhi that showed so much promise last season instead of the one that's turned up for pre-season. Also only the one real square peg in round hole (Diouf)
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 9:18:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 9:18:30 GMT
Considering how easily we conced goals with 4 at the back, why would you think having less numbers back would improve the situation. We haven't tried it at all and no one seems to use it but trying a sweeper might help stop the influx of goals. Decent full backs and a DM would do the trick. The CBs last season weren't the issue. The space down the side and in front of them was. Stop that space and it means the team is instantly in a better shape and it means the CBs won't feel the need to go out and cover that space. Because when that happens is when you're fucked. I do agree with that but, we don't have decent fullbacks or a decent mobile defensive midfielder either, or current centre backs are slow also and get carved open very easily, so someone sitting behind them that can read the game and give instruction might help stabilise the defence until we decide we need to spend money to get some decent quality
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Aug 2, 2017 9:22:38 GMT
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 2, 2017 9:22:38 GMT
3-5-2 or 4-5-1 for me
We have to flood the midfield as we are a little light on quality for the prem
Done properly 4 -5- 1 is the best as you have 3 box to box midfielders. As one attacks to make the secondary striker, the other two sit Takes a lot of work on the training ground to get right But is the hardest to play against as apart from one player,defenders don't know who they are meant to be marking.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 9:35:13 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2017 9:35:13 GMT
Decent full backs and a DM would do the trick. The CBs last season weren't the issue. The space down the side and in front of them was. Stop that space and it means the team is instantly in a better shape and it means the CBs won't feel the need to go out and cover that space. Because when that happens is when you're fucked. I do agree with that but, we don't have decent fullbacks or a decent mobile defensive midfielder either, or current centre backs are slow also and get carved open very easily, so someone sitting behind them that can read the game and give instruction might help stabilise the defence until we decide we need to spend money to get some decent quality We don't have them and that's why we needed to get them in. The 2 would work fine then. I think Fletcher will help hopefully but the full backs really are a loss unless Ekker rediscovers his form.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 9:39:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 9:39:14 GMT
Butland CAMERON Shawcross Zouma JOHNSON Fletcher Allen PIETERS Shaqiri Berahino/Joselu Ramadan
Players in caps ideally need younger, better replacements
Zouma/GCam can move forward from the back to act as a DM
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 9:40:23 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 2, 2017 9:40:23 GMT
You've got a left back at centre back but he can play centre back so it's just about ok. But then you have a left winger at right wing back. A central midfielder at left wing back. And Imbula. We don't have the squad! I Put this team on the Joselu thread as I feel it's best we can do whilst accommodating Allen and Saido, neither of which we should have bought in the first place but Hughes will feel obliged to play. More of a 3-4-1-2 than a 3-4-3 ...........Butland........... ......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters...... Diouf...Fletcher...Allen...Sobhi .............Shaqiri............. ......Joselu......Berahino........ This is assuming that we get the Sobhi that showed so much promise last season instead of the one that's turned up for pre-season. Also only the one real square peg in round hole (Diouf) Sobhi is right footed, he wouldn't work as a left wing back.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 2, 2017 9:52:31 GMT
Simplistic I know,but is it too much to expect professional footballers on £ 50k a week + to be able to play in different positions,regardless of the system ?
Dons tin hat !
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Aug 2, 2017 9:53:06 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 2, 2017 9:53:06 GMT
Perhaps Hughes has decided that he's failed to replace N'Zonzi and can't afford to throw more money at having another go. The 3-4-3 stops us requiring the same balance in the middle.
However, it does require us to spend a fortune on two wing backs, another centre back, another midfielder and a spare winger.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 10:13:30 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 2, 2017 10:13:30 GMT
Simplistic I know,but is it too much to expect professional footballers on £ 50k a week + to be able to play in different positions,regardless of the system ? Dons tin hat ! You're right, it is simplistic. If you spend a grand on a new telly, you wouldn't ask it to wash your dishes.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 10:40:35 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2017 10:40:35 GMT
You've got a left back at centre back but he can play centre back so it's just about ok. But then you have a left winger at right wing back. A central midfielder at left wing back. And Imbula. We don't have the squad! I Put this team on the Joselu thread as I feel it's best we can do whilst accommodating Allen and Saido, neither of which we should have bought in the first place but Hughes will feel obliged to play. More of a 3-4-1-2 than a 3-4-3 ...........Butland........... ......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters...... Diouf...Fletcher...Allen...Sobhi .............Shaqiri............. ......Joselu......Berahino........ This is assuming that we get the Sobhi that showed so much promise last season instead of the one that's turned up for pre-season. Also only the one real square peg in round hole (Diouf)
Attempting to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear of a squad, that is probably the best first eleven we could field to get the best out of the current squad of players we have available but you would absolutely have to replace Sobhi with a proper left wing-back for it to even remotely be a starter and then I'd feel far more comfortable with Diouf being replaced by a proper right wing-back and Allen being replaced by a proper DCM but (as I said) you could probably just get away with it if Sobhi was replaced.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 2, 2017 10:47:25 GMT
Get Gibbs to play left wing back and that is close to the best we could do right now.
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 11:14:07 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2017 11:14:07 GMT
I think the defensive midfielders are more important than the wing backs in this formation. We don't have any! Chelsea last season had two pretty good wing backs. Neither are anything special. They had kante and matic in midfield. Look at the gaps between midfield and our cb's today. There is no point experimenting with that formation and having adam and imbula in your midfield unless it is an experiment in showing everyone how to do 3-4-3 in a really abysmal way which would guarantee you lose every game I would disagree I think we already have 2 midfielders good enough to pull of this system. Fletcher (the deep lying midfielder to provide cover for the defense, break up play and start our attacks) and Allen (our energetic box to box midfielder). But I agree this system does certainly not work with 2 attacking minded midfielders. As proved today. Fair point, I just can't see joe allen sitting back in a stoke shirt!
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3-4-3
Aug 2, 2017 12:25:57 GMT
Post by drfootball on Aug 2, 2017 12:25:57 GMT
Simplistic I know,but is it too much to expect professional footballers on £ 50k a week + to be able to play in different positions,regardless of the system ? Dons tin hat ! You're right, it is simplistic. If you spend a grand on a new telly, you wouldn't ask it to wash your dishes. You should be in product sourcing. That sounds like terrific tech/white goods combo !
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Aug 2, 2017 12:35:59 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 2, 2017 12:35:59 GMT
...........Butland........... ......Zouma..Ryan..Pieters...... Sobhi...Fletcher...Allen...?Delph? ......Shaqiri......Imbula........ .............Diouf............... You've got a left back at centre back but he can play centre back so it's just about ok. But then you have a left winger at right wing back. A central midfielder at left wing back. And Imbula. We don't have the squad! I think Pieters has everything in his game to suggest he should be ok at LCB. Ramadan is a LW yes, but he is right footed and I can't really see anyone else there unless we pud Diouf there?? But I prefer Diouf up front and I think Ramadan looks pretty good over the full length of the pitch. Deplh is a natural left footer who is proven playing wide left. Yes it was a long while ago though. Imbula will be fine that far forward, almost no defensive requirement.
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Aug 2, 2017 13:59:31 GMT
Post by alster on Aug 2, 2017 13:59:31 GMT
I would disagree I think we already have 2 midfielders good enough to pull of this system. Fletcher (the deep lying midfielder to provide cover for the defense, break up play and start our attacks) and Allen (our energetic box to box midfielder). But I agree this system does certainly not work with 2 attacking minded midfielders. As proved today. Fair point, I just can't see joe allen sitting back in a stoke shirt! The shirt is dictating his ability to play with discipline?
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Aug 2, 2017 14:04:56 GMT
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Aug 2, 2017 14:04:56 GMT
Feels like Hughes is desperate to shoe horn unsuitable players into 3-4-3. Would just love us to keep to a sensible 4-4-2. Butland Johnson Shawcross/Gcam Zouma Pieters Shakira Allen Fletch Sobih Jos Berahino/Bojan
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Aug 2, 2017 14:11:49 GMT
Post by arnie3010 on Aug 2, 2017 14:11:49 GMT
With our current squad we will get relegated if Hughes wants to play 3-4-3 We should stay with the 4-2-3-1 Joselu Sobhi-Shaqiri-Berahino Fletcher-Cameron Pieters-Zouma-Shawcross-Johnson Butland
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Aug 2, 2017 16:59:26 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2017 16:59:26 GMT
Fair point, I just can't see joe allen sitting back in a stoke shirt! The shirt is dictating his ability to play with discipline? I've seen him do it for wales but at stoke he is all over the place. I think that is because the team always seem to be confused about when to press and when to sit tight. Last season there was a lot of evidence to suggest a lack of communication between coaching staff and players.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:05:41 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 2, 2017 17:05:41 GMT
I was prepared to give Hughes the summer after originally wanting him sacked at the end of the season but as things stand, we're almost certainly going to have a squad which is completely muddled and confused. I'll wait until the window closes before I fully judge but it looks like he and we as a club haven't learnt from the mistakes from last season.
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