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Post by TheRealTimShady on Jul 29, 2017 20:05:45 GMT
Can see the advantage of playing joselu as he is more of a deep lying forward and gets more involved in the build up than our other options. This would mean the likes of shaq and bojan could get in behind him and contribute with more goals. However he has never really scored that many goals wherever he has played. I think we should stick with Saido as he is our best option to get us the most goals if we can get him firing again. I would certainly keep joselu could be useful for tricky away games when we need someone to hold it up and relieve some pressure. Since 2012/13 Joselu have scored or assist every 150-200 min. Stoke cannot expect to get a more effective striker in PL. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joselu/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/819995 goals in a less competitive laliga last year hardly see how we 'cannot expect a more effective striker in the pl". Think he is worth keeping though gives us options. Just because he has scored 2 tap is against Bolton doesn't make him the answer.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2017 20:08:12 GMT
Don't get me wrong because I would love to see Bera succeed for us, but as things stand I've got a feeling that if we start 30+ games with Diouf, Joselu or Crouchy up top they will all be able to score 10+ goals for us. Bera seems to be Hughes' preferred choice up front and at the moment he is the only striker we have that I doubt will be able to do this! I really really hope I'm wrong, but this is just based on what I've seen from these 4 players. Anyway I really hope there is fair competition between our strikers and that they all will get the same chance to win the place as our preferred striker up top! It's about taking the chances and we're quickly approaching the opener against Everton! At the moment I really doubt Bera would be my choice, but I don't see them in training of course!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 20:12:46 GMT
He aint that good, he doesnt score much
The team of football proffesionals at our premier league club want to fuck him off.
I know we are desperate but has all rational thought gone out of the window?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 20:14:12 GMT
Duouf isnt the answer either hes my least favourite footballer at the club who needs 10 attempts to get a ball under control
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 20:15:49 GMT
5 goals in a less competitive laliga last year hardly see how we 'cannot expect a more effective striker in the pl". Think he is worth keeping though gives us options. Just because he has scored 2 tap is against Bolton doesn't make him the answer. First of all. La Liga is the best liga in the world right now. Second. He scored two of his goals against the two best teams in the world (Barca and RM). Edit : 1.La Liga 2. Bundesliga 3. Premier League www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jul 29, 2017 20:19:39 GMT
the only game last season when berahino looked vaguely usefull was the one when he played just behind Crouchy briefly in a home game! so I think he needs to play alongside a big man be it Crouchy Jossy or a n other.Will clueless dare to try it??
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 29, 2017 20:21:54 GMT
He is a frustrating player
Except for crouchy, he is the one player at the club who can finish in style with his left foot his right foot and his head And he is a lot quicker than crouchy
But that's meaningless if he's not going to get in the box and force his way on to the end of things in the premiership
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2017 20:28:27 GMT
5 goals in a less competitive laliga last year hardly see how we 'cannot expect a more effective striker in the pl". Think he is worth keeping though gives us options. Just because he has scored 2 tap is against Bolton doesn't make him the answer. First of all. La Liga is the best liga in the world right now. Second. He scored two of his goals against the two best teams in the world (Barca and RM). Edit : 1.La Liga 2. Bundesliga 3. Premier League www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/Didn't he score a brace against RM and also a goal against Barca? Could of course be my memory, but am I wrong?
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 20:32:11 GMT
He is a frustrating player Except for crouchy, he is the one player at the club who can finish in style with his left foot his right foot and his head And he is a lot quicker than crouchy But that's meaningless if he's not going to get in the box and force his way on to the end of things in the premiership Joselu have 3,2 in arial won. That is very good stats. It means he is winning the duels. To compare this with Berahino that have 0,2 in arial won is devastating towards Berahino. In the best season Berahino had 0,5 arial won. www.whoscored.com/Players/74603/Show/Joseluwww.whoscored.com/Players/94024/Show/Saido-Berahino
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 20:33:17 GMT
Win as many headers as he likes....does he score?
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 20:33:52 GMT
Didn't he score a brace against RM and also a goal against Barca? Could of course be my memory, but am I wrong? Yes I said that if you read again. (Barca and RM)
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Post by mickmacc on Jul 29, 2017 20:35:03 GMT
He was only playing today because clubs had been notified he is for sale. He was in the shop window
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 29, 2017 20:36:04 GMT
He is a frustrating player Except for crouchy, he is the one player at the club who can finish in style with his left foot his right foot and his head And he is a lot quicker than crouchy But that's meaningless if he's not going to get in the box and force his way on to the end of things in the premiership Joselu have 3,2 in arial won. That is very good stats. It means he is winning the duels. To compare this with Berahino that have 0,2 in arial won is devastating towards Berahino. In the best season Berahino had 0,5 arial won. www.whoscored.com/Players/74603/Show/Joseluwww.whoscored.com/Players/94024/Show/Saido-BerahinoWhich is a reason they could work well together
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 29, 2017 20:36:58 GMT
Win as many headers as he likes....does he score? 4 goals in 10 starts doesn't seem terrible. Yes mostly scored off the bench but for a first season in a new league doesn't seem too bad at all. The goals he scored were beautifully taken as well. Had some stinkers and had some good games. Name me a Stoke striker of the last 5-6 years to whom that doesn't apply.
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Post by muglump on Jul 29, 2017 20:37:12 GMT
Joselu is a better player than berahino in my opinion. Whether he is more effective in the kick and rush of the premier league is another matter
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 20:39:10 GMT
He was only playing today because clubs had been notified he is for sale. He was in the shop window That is what I I afraid of. Is that your guess or do you have a source inside the club?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 29, 2017 20:41:19 GMT
Not quite! Did Bera only get one chance? Difficult to tell from Signal's commentary but I had the impression he had more. No, my point was that there seems to be a lot of excuse making for Bera with the implication that if he'd had the service Jos had perhaps he'd have actually scored. I suggest there's no evidence to support that. There is also no evidence to support the fact that Berahino wouldn't have scored a hat trick today if Bojan and Diouf were on the pitch from the get go. From your posts it's obvious that your pro Bera, and nowt wrong with that but how many consecutive games would you have him in the team without scoring? It's getting a tad concerning
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 20:43:50 GMT
John Lennon said
Love is the answer
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Post by philb on Jul 29, 2017 20:44:31 GMT
Duouf isnt the answer either hes my least favourite footballer at the club who needs 10 attempts to get a ball under control Right wing back is his best position
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Post by tuum on Jul 29, 2017 20:46:57 GMT
5 goals in a less competitive laliga last year hardly see how we 'cannot expect a more effective striker in the pl". Think he is worth keeping though gives us options. Just because he has scored 2 tap is against Bolton doesn't make him the answer. First of all. La Liga is the best liga in the world right now. Second. He scored two of his goals against the two best teams in the world (Barca and RM). Edit : 1.La Liga 2. Bundesliga 3. Premier League www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/I saw Joselu in Singapore when he first joined. Although they were friendlies I saw enough to suggest that he was not good enough for Stoke. I wanted him to show more but he never did. Like many of our recent signings he was not consistent. He is not good enough for the Premier League. Period.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 29, 2017 20:47:43 GMT
There is also no evidence to support the fact that Berahino wouldn't have scored a hat trick today if Bojan and Diouf were on the pitch from the get go. From your posts it's obvious that your pro Bera, and nowt wrong with that but how many consecutive games would you have him in the team without scoring? It's getting a tad concerning What is this "pro Bera", "pro Joselu" tripe? I'm "pro Stoke City", I support who will put the most points on the board for us next season. I am not against Joselu in anyway, I think he's a good player and certainly offers something different. I'm glad he scored today, give the lad a bit of a confidence boost. What I am against is people writing Berahino off. The guy has proven he can do it in the premier league, he can be a great player for us if we use him effectively. Watch the YouTube video, just remind yourself exactly how good he can be if he's played in a system that suits him. Good turn of pace, good touch, good positional sense and an instinctive, clinical finisher. You don't lose that over night!
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 29, 2017 20:50:33 GMT
Amazing a guy scores a couple of goals and he's the player we've been looking for. Shallow or what?
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 20:50:49 GMT
I saw Joselu in Singapore when he first joined. Although they were friendlies I saw enough to suggest that he was not good enough for Stoke. I wanted him to show more but he never did. Like many of our recent signings he was not consistent. He is not good enough for the Premier League. Period. Have you seen the other Stoke strikers too?
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Post by TheRealTimShady on Jul 29, 2017 20:51:40 GMT
5 goals in a less competitive laliga last year hardly see how we 'cannot expect a more effective striker in the pl". Think he is worth keeping though gives us options. Just because he has scored 2 tap is against Bolton doesn't make him the answer. First of all. La Liga is the best liga in the world right now. Second. He scored two of his goals against the two best teams in the world (Barca and RM). Edit : 1.La Liga 2. Bundesliga 3. Premier League www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/[br So 5 goals in 20 games makes him the answer? You honestly think he is the best striker we can expect in the pl?? Sorry mate not buying that. Laliga may have some of the best teams yes but the Prem is much more competitive.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 29, 2017 20:52:10 GMT
Amazing a guy scores a couple of goals and he's the player we've been looking for. Shallow or what? It isn't just based on him scoring a couple of goals.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 29, 2017 20:56:49 GMT
He is a frustrating player Except for crouchy, he is the one player at the club who can finish in style with his left foot his right foot and his head And he is a lot quicker than crouchy But that's meaningless if he's not going to get in the box and force his way on to the end of things in the premiership I want Berahino to succeed as much as the next man. However, success for a striker equates to scoring goals. Crouch was banging them in the net with regularity for team and country when he was Berahino's age. Berahino hasn't proved he can do it, yet.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 29, 2017 20:57:20 GMT
From your posts it's obvious that your pro Bera, and nowt wrong with that but how many consecutive games would you have him in the team without scoring? It's getting a tad concerning What is this "pro Bera", "pro Joselu" tripe? I'm "pro Stoke City", I support who will put the most points on the board for us next season. I am not against Joselu in anyway, I think he's a good player and certainly offers something different. I'm glad he scored today, give the lad a bit of a confidence boost. What I am against is people writing Berahino off. The guy has proven he can do it in the premier league, he can be a great player for us if we use him effectively. Watch the YouTube video, just remind yourself exactly how good he can be if he's played in a system that suits him. Good turn of pace, good touch, good positional sense and an instinctive, clinical finisher. You don't lose that over night! Any chance you'd answer my question or did you think that was "tripe" too? People have opinions and preferences on different players , that's not tripe or not supporting the team. You intractable zealousness does you no favours. You YouTube video is nice and does show he was a clinical finisher, we have yet to see that he still possesses that clinical finish. A players prowess can diminish for any variety of reasons
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 29, 2017 20:58:46 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Cameron Johnson Allen Fletcher Sobhi Shaq Bojan Joselu I think that's how I'd start vs Everton if we don't sign anyone. How about Diouf instead of Johnson?
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 21:01:30 GMT
[br So 5 goals in 20 games makes him the answer? You honestly think he is the best striker we can expect in the pl?? Sorry mate not buying that. Laliga may have some of the best teams yes but the Prem is much more competitive. He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2017 21:08:57 GMT
Didn't he score a brace against RM and also a goal against Barca? Could of course be my memory, but am I wrong? Yes I said that if you read again. (Barca and RM) No big deal Fredrikstad, but when I read what you've written it seems to me like he scored 2 goals against the two clubs all together, but if I'm right he scored 3. Well, as I said no big deal, just that he can also do it against the best there are.
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