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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 30, 2017 0:28:48 GMT
Who am I stealing from? I have a season ticket, and attend every match and some away games as well. Away games Allocations are often sold out very early and so unobtainable. I attempt to watch away games that I can not get to, on crappy streams. I was going to games fifty years ago. Possibly before you were born. Get a life, and don't bother replying. . You tell me who you are stealing from ..... oh wait you already have. Reread the first sentence of your original post, or did you not really mean to incriminate yourself like that? What's my birthdate got to do with it? If I'm younger than you then it's not stealing? I wish people would put as much effort into earning a living as they do to try gyp the system. Perhaps then the price would come down, because the few would not have to pay for the freeloaders, and perhaps they could afford to watch away games. First thing to outline GoBoks is that not all of us are freeloaders and some of us do put in effort to earn a living and not to gyp the system (whatever that means). I for one have worked for over 35 years, having only a handful of sick days, often working upwards of 14 hours a day. I have never claimed a penny in benefits and dutifully pay every penny in tax that I owe. I'm a season ticket holder who more often than not travels to the away games. I wonder if you bothered driving to Southampton on the last day of the season? I have a BT and Sky subscription costing me well over £100 per month. The problem I have is that on the occasion that I can't travel to the away game and as a true believer I never want to miss a minutes action of my beloved team so at this point I'll revert to finding a stream. Funny thing is I have a friend who lives in America who can watch nearly all the Stoke games on his cable TV for free, does't seem particularly fair to me. On the subject of theft I suggest you go a read some law books. To be guilty of theft you have to dishonestly appropriate property from another with the intention of permanently depriving them of it. Watching a stream is not theft as the product is not property and you can't permanently deprive the other of it. Of course it is a civil breach of copyright, but I'm sure that on balance a number of people can live with this when you consider some of the other problems within our crime ridden society. Clearly your a cantankerous, self opinionated prick who probably holds these views as you haven't got the intelligence to find a stream to watch. If you want any advice on how to do it, let me know and I'll talk you through it in the most simplistic terms that I can muster.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 30, 2017 0:39:27 GMT
. You tell me who you are stealing from ..... oh wait you already have. Reread the first sentence of your original post, or did you not really mean to incriminate yourself like that? What's my birthdate got to do with it? If I'm younger than you then it's not stealing? I wish people would put as much effort into earning a living as they do to try gyp the system. Perhaps then the price would come down, because the few would not have to pay for the freeloaders, and perhaps they could afford to watch away games. First thing to outline GoBoks is that not all of us are freeloaders and some of us do put in effort to earn a living and not to gyp the system (whatever that means). I for one have worked for over 35 years, having only a handful of sick days, often working upwards of 14 hours a day. I have never claimed a penny in benefits and dutifully pay every penny in tax that I owe. I'm a season ticket holder who more often than not travels to the away games. I wonder if you bothered driving to Southampton on the last day of the season? I have a BT and Sky subscription costing me well over £100 per month. The problem I have is that on the occasion that I can't travel to the away game and as a true believer I never want to miss a minutes action of my beloved team so at this point I'll revert to finding a stream. Funny thing is I have a friend who lives in America who can watch nearly all the Stoke games on his cable TV for free, does't seem particularly fair to me. On the subject of theft I suggest you go a read some law books. To be guilty of theft you have to dishonestly appropriate property from another with the intention of permanently depriving them of it. Watching a stream is not theft as the product is not property and you can't permanently deprive the other of it. Of course it is a civil breach of copyright, but I'm sure that on balance a number of people can live with this when you consider some of the other problems within our crime ridden society. Clearly your a cantankerous, self opinionated prick who probably holds these views as you haven't got the intelligence to find a stream to watch. If you want any advice on how to do it, let me know and I'll talk you through it in the most simplistic terms I can muster. Hey there Stoneroad, Nah, I find a few thousand mile drive across the Atlantic a little too rough for me now that I am getting on a bit. But, I did watch on my cable tv, which is not free, (runs me close to $200 a month - the only reason I have cable). No matter how long you have been working/contributing, etc, still does not justify stealing. And as for it not being theft, try telling that to the courts. Yep, I am somewhat opinionated, but try to ensure my opinions adhere to social and moral norms as opposed to doing what I want to and then trying to justify my actions through some Machiavellian logical gymnastics. Sorry if you don't agree, but stealing copyrighted content is just that .... stealing,
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2017 0:44:29 GMT
I'm sure we'd be available as an individual pay per view, somet like £4.99 per match but then of course there would be 'season tickets' available to subscribe to a specific team. I was more talking about the money gap between the big clubs and the rest. If money from 'tickets' sold go directly to the clubs rather than a distributed pot. Ah right got you Ian. I'm not even sure how it works now to be honest.
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 30, 2017 0:55:23 GMT
Hey there Stoneroad, Nah, I find a few thousand mile drive across the Atlantic a little too rough for me now that I am getting on a bit. But, I did watch on my cable tv, which is not free, (runs me close to $200 a month - the only reason I have cable). No matter how long you have been working/contributing, etc, still does not justify stealing. And as for it not being theft, try telling that to the courts. Yep, I am somewhat opinionated, but try to ensure my opinions adhere to social and moral norms as opposed to doing what I want to and then trying to justify my actions through some Machiavellian logical gymnastics. Sorry if you don't agree, but stealing copyrighted content is just that .... stealing, This is a quote from the Federation Against Copyright Theft, "Fact explained: “When it comes to catching those involved in piracy, it is not our strategy to prosecute the end user [people streaming films at home]. Our interest lies in identifying, disrupting and if necessary prosecuting the individuals who defraud the creative industries by knowingly stealing content – and who then make that content available through illegitimate means for their own financial benefit or kudos.” It also goes on to say that nobody has been prosecuted ever in the UK for streaming, so I suspect that all of us hardened criminals will not have to "Try telling that to the courts", anytime soon.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 30, 2017 9:48:25 GMT
Hey there Stoneroad, Nah, I find a few thousand mile drive across the Atlantic a little too rough for me now that I am getting on a bit. But, I did watch on my cable tv, which is not free, (runs me close to $200 a month - the only reason I have cable). No matter how long you have been working/contributing, etc, still does not justify stealing. And as for it not being theft, try telling that to the courts. Yep, I am somewhat opinionated, but try to ensure my opinions adhere to social and moral norms as opposed to doing what I want to and then trying to justify my actions through some Machiavellian logical gymnastics. Sorry if you don't agree, but stealing copyrighted content is just that .... stealing, This is a quote from the Federation Against Copyright Theft, "Fact explained: “When it comes to catching those involved in piracy, it is not our strategy to prosecute the end user [people streaming films at home]. Our interest lies in identifying, disrupting and if necessary prosecuting the individuals who defraud the creative industries by knowingly stealing content – and who then make that content available through illegitimate means for their own financial benefit or kudos.” It also goes on to say that nobody has been prosecuted ever in the UK for streaming, so I suspect that all of us hardened criminals will not have to "Try telling that to the courts", anytime soon. Thanks for reading some of those law books you recommended and digging up the proof. While they are actively pursuing the "dealers", the users are every bit as guilty and if their strategy does not work, they will go after the users. If there was no market, there'd be no problem. But hey, everyone to their own poison, I guess the folks who use drugs illegally or prostitutes illegally or beat up people after a football match or whatever their own favorite vice, have their own justifications for their actions. So happy stealing and may you have a smile a mile wide while watching Stoke thump Everton on your illegal stream!
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 30, 2017 12:33:56 GMT
I was more talking about the money gap between the big clubs and the rest. If money from 'tickets' sold go directly to the clubs rather than a distributed pot. Ah right got you Ian. I'm not even sure how it works now to be honest. Who is Ian?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 30, 2017 13:18:30 GMT
To be fair, sky pay mega bucks for the rights which in turn make Premier league clubs very powerful in the transfer market. If everyone scrapped sky sports and streamed games for free then surely sky would drop the price they were willing to pay for the rights The real problem is that Sky show selected games, very rare involving Stoke. NBCSN in usa show ALL the games and that is where a lot of the streams originate.Likewise Arab Bien sports. If Sky/BT did likewise for a reasonable fee (access to premier league games only) pirating would quickly disapear. Also if Stoke streamed their games for a fee many of us would pay up. The internet was designed as a military communication which if disrupted would find a new route. Totally agree with the pre-loaded box as it is a rip off. The boxes are easy to load as are Amazon fire sticks and tv boxes.Virgin media block torrent sites because they are required to, doesn't stop it happening, people use vpn or proxies to get round it Most of these threat statements are empty rhetoric, as ways around the measures are easily found. As has been stated above breach of copyright at this level is a civil offence. Recording tv programs or music is also a breach of copyright that many people do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2017 14:01:41 GMT
Ah right got you Ian. I'm not even sure how it works now to be honest. Who is Ian?
Ha ha, sorry just seen this, I was having a text conversation with my mate whilst on here last night.
Many apologies.
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Post by skip on Jul 30, 2017 14:11:54 GMT
Watching Kodi is stealing from multimillionaires who drive round in cars worth more than your house, paid for by football fans who have no other way of seeing thire team play in the game that used to belong to the people, but has been stolen and sold to the corporate greedy. To be fair or devil's advocate - take your pick - the media infrastructure that we use to watch games via streams is down to Sky anyway. That's got nothing to the working man's ballet or anything else. They're not stealing football from us, we are demanding to be able to watch games on-line when they happen as often as we like, which, frankly is juvenile entitled nonsense. I'm no different in that respect but let's not get too pious.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 30, 2017 14:20:09 GMT
Technophobe little old me has just installed a VPN whatsit thingamebob. No idea how it works or anything else about it, but it's sitting there on my desktop thingy and hoping Mr. Murdoch doesn't spot it until the end of the season! I'll just have to figure out what to do with it before the Everton game.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 30, 2017 14:28:03 GMT
Watching Kodi is stealing from multimillionaires who drive round in cars worth more than your house, paid for by football fans who have no other way of seeing thire team play in the game that used to belong to the people, but has been stolen and sold to the corporate greedy. To be fair or devil's advocate - take your pick - the media infrastructure that we use to watch games via streams is down to Sky anyway. That's got nothing to the working man's ballet or anything else. They're not stealing football from us, we are demanding to be able to watch games on-line when they happen as often as we like, which, frankly is juvenile entitled nonsense. I'm no different in that respect but let's not get too pious. NBCSN and Bien don't rely on Sky. Sky and BT concentrate on top 6, I want to watch Stoke and can't physically get to the games any more. The only way to do that is streaming. As I said above if Stoke, BT or Sky gave me the option at a sensible price, they would make money and I would be happy
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 30, 2017 15:36:36 GMT
This is a quote from the Federation Against Copyright Theft, "Fact explained: “When it comes to catching those involved in piracy, it is not our strategy to prosecute the end user [people streaming films at home]. Our interest lies in identifying, disrupting and if necessary prosecuting the individuals who defraud the creative industries by knowingly stealing content – and who then make that content available through illegitimate means for their own financial benefit or kudos.” It also goes on to say that nobody has been prosecuted ever in the UK for streaming, so I suspect that all of us hardened criminals will not have to "Try telling that to the courts", anytime soon. Thanks for reading some of those law books you recommended and digging up the proof. While they are actively pursuing the "dealers", the users are every bit as guilty and if their strategy does not work, they will go after the users. If there was no market, there'd be no problem. But hey, everyone to their own poison, I guess the folks who use drugs illegally or prostitutes illegally or beat up people after a football match or whatever their own favorite vice, have their own justifications for their actions. So happy stealing and may you have a smile a mile wide while watching Stoke thump Everton on your illegal stream! No illegal stream for me, I'll be there of course like the true fan I am.
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 30, 2017 16:05:54 GMT
Technophobe little old me has just installed a VPN whatsit thingamebob. No idea how it works or anything else about it, but it's sitting there on my desktop thingy and hoping Mr. Murdoch doesn't spot it until the end of the season! I'll just have to figure out what to do with it before the Everton game. Before you connect to the stream make sure you have cleared your cookies and internet cache. You can do this by using a program such as Ccleaner. DownloadMake sure your VPN is active before connecting to the internet or opening KODI. Check your IP address initially until you are confident you have done everything right. You can do this by using this website Find My IP. The most important thing is to check where your IP is shown on the map. If its not in the area of your home address your good. An additional check for those who are really paranoid is to check for a DNS leak. DNS Leak Test. Your IP should resolve to a different geographic location and not get identified through any UK servers. For those of you that are even more paranoid, you can change your DNS lookup service to that of Google rather than your ISP's own DNS lookup service. It limits the amount of data your ISP logs particularly when you visit secure sites starting with https://.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 30, 2017 17:18:23 GMT
Technophobe little old me has just installed a VPN whatsit thingamebob. No idea how it works or anything else about it, but it's sitting there on my desktop thingy and hoping Mr. Murdoch doesn't spot it until the end of the season! I'll just have to figure out what to do with it before the Everton game. Before you connect to the stream make sure you have cleared your cookies and internet cache. You can do this by using a program such as Ccleaner. DownloadMake sure your VPN is active before connecting to the internet or opening KODI. Check your IP address initially until you are confident you have done everything right. You can do this by using this website Find My IP. The most important thing is to check where your IP is shown on the map. If its not in the area of your home address your good. An additional check for those who are really paranoid is to check for a DNS leak. DNS Leak Test. Your IP should resolve to a different geographic location and not get identified through any UK servers. For those of you that are even more paranoid, you can change your DNS lookup service to that of Google rather than your ISP's own DNS lookup service. It limits the amount of data your ISP logs particularly when you visit secure sites starting with https://. Thanks a lot mate, I appreciate you going to so much trouble, and I'll need your your instructions I'm sure!
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Post by skip on Jul 31, 2017 14:15:38 GMT
To be fair or devil's advocate - take your pick - the media infrastructure that we use to watch games via streams is down to Sky anyway. That's got nothing to the working man's ballet or anything else. They're not stealing football from us, we are demanding to be able to watch games on-line when they happen as often as we like, which, frankly is juvenile entitled nonsense. I'm no different in that respect but let's not get too pious. NBCSN and Bien don't rely on Sky. Sky and BT concentrate on top 6, I want to watch Stoke and can't physically get to the games any more. The only way to do that is streaming. As I said above if Stoke, BT or Sky gave me the option at a sensible price, they would make money and I would be happy I get that completely. I was just saying that the technology used to stream is down to Sky as much as anyone else and to say its not illegal or theft is nonsense. I say make all games pay per view on-line and have done with it. It's only a different business model. Make it cheaper to watch live on match day. Everyone wins.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 31, 2017 14:54:23 GMT
NBCSN and Bien don't rely on Sky. Sky and BT concentrate on top 6, I want to watch Stoke and can't physically get to the games any more. The only way to do that is streaming. As I said above if Stoke, BT or Sky gave me the option at a sensible price, they would make money and I would be happy I get that completely. I was just saying that the technology used to stream is down to Sky as much as anyone else and to say its not illegal or theft is nonsense. I say make all games pay per view on-line and have done with it. It's only a different business model. Make it cheaper to watch live on match day. Everyone wins. The only way we're going to all games live on pay per view (and indeed the broadcasters absolutely would love to be able to do so) is if football supporters will accept the Premiership schedule being moved to a Sunday. I'm in favour of it but I'm in a tiny minority.
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Post by senojbor on Jul 31, 2017 15:02:42 GMT
The Premier league don't just sell the broadcasting rights to SKY and BT they sell them to many broadcasters all over the world. The foreign broadcasters can show the games on terrestrial TV, satellite or in some cases live stream. So if you buy a viewing card or a stream from the broadcaster and have the equipment to receive matches, legally you are doing nothing wrong. If it was it's like saying you can only buy a car made in this country from this country. Of course you can go over to the continent and buy cheaper and bring it back. You are doing nothing illegal. So for instance, pubs can (if they can prove they have paid for a service) show games legally. SKY and BT don't like it but that's their problem.
What is illegal is for someone to stream content they have not paid for. It's difficult an almost impossible for SKY and BT to stop this if the servers are in other countries. First they have to identify the servers and people involved and follow a legal process to stop it in that country. Since it is big business for illegal IPTV streams coming out of Timbuktu or the likes they are going to have to find other ways to try and stop it.
ISP's can tell where you are streaming from. However they do not know whether you are streaming legally or illegally and it's not in their business interests to try and stop it anyway. People would just change ISP's if they went ahead and blocked streams.
So what I think BT and SKY will have to do since there is no feasible way to stop it. They are going to have to go back to the greedy Premier League and renegotiate TV deals. I don't think either broadcaster is going to just throw money at them anymore. In the meantime I wouldn't be surprised if they increased subscriptions to compensate themselves for their losses and don't forget they are tied to long term deals.
The music and film industry couldn't stop piracy and that's why buying music and DVD's is cheaper now than twenty years ago. They do things differently now and SKY and BT are going to have to bite the bullet and not throw ridiculous amounts of money at the Premier league.
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Post by santy on Jul 31, 2017 15:13:41 GMT
It's been like 3 or 4 years now since the pirate bay was blocked in the UK by major ISP's after a court order wasn't it? Took all of 10 seconds to get to this: i.gyazo.com/c98880f42a509c0e3e318b20114764f2.pngIf you're really paranoid you can use VPN's and in some cases you might need one with Kodi sticks etc just to get around the UK ban if its from a fixed address but that's usually overkill. There's never really been much appetite in this country to prosecute the end user, but rather to go after the distributor (usually more money in it for the "wronged party") but Sky are trying to fight a battle in Britain when the means of access to it is worldwide. Domains pop up far faster than the courts can sanction blocking them, websites grow that provide a list of circumvented links. It has so little effectiveness, it might deter a very small percentage of people from doing it who don't know how to find their way around it but there won't be any issues getting any game up and running again this season. If the movie industry can't stop people pirating them, if the police forces of major nations combined can't stop some of the truly disturbing stuff being shared online, what hope does little old Sky have? Especially when Kodi is using Amazons fire stick. Amazon probably just see Kodi as the future to them putting Sky out of business and securing football on Amazon Prime Video for themselves.
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Post by keasie1863 on Jul 31, 2017 15:14:01 GMT
Technophobe little old me has just installed a VPN whatsit thingamebob. No idea how it works or anything else about it, but it's sitting there on my desktop thingy and hoping Mr. Murdoch doesn't spot it until the end of the season! I'll just have to figure out what to do with it before the Everton game. I don't know which vpn you have installed, but I will say that the free ones are not very good at all. I pay a tenner a month for mine, with speeds up to 60mb/s, never had an issue with it.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jul 31, 2017 15:49:50 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream. i have a android box with kodi on what is the best vpn that isnt to exspensive i can use for this? also ive got sky broadband i will try and turn sky shield off for this
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Post by nott1 on Jul 31, 2017 15:53:27 GMT
Technophobe little old me has just installed a VPN whatsit thingamebob. No idea how it works or anything else about it, but it's sitting there on my desktop thingy and hoping Mr. Murdoch doesn't spot it until the end of the season! I'll just have to figure out what to do with it before the Everton game. I don't know which vpn you have installed, but I will say that the free ones are not very good at all. I pay a tenner a month for mine, with speeds up to 60mb/s, never had an issue with it. I have a free one but can upgrade if I need to it's called TunnelBear and when I checked my IP address it was in Romania! I started using it yesterday and it seems to work fine. I watched a couple of matches in Asia and Japan, with a good picture and no buffering. I'll just use it for the Stoke games and hope I get enough time without upgrading!
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 31, 2017 16:08:05 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream. i have a android box with kodi on what is the best vpn that isnt to exspensive i can use for this? also ive got sky broadband i will try and turn sky shield off for this There are numerous VPN services you can subscribe to. Her is a review of the top 10 by PCMag VPN Review. I've heard good things about NORD Vpn but can't vouch for it myself as I pay for a VPN service bundled with other goodies. If you go for it let me know and I'll try to help you set it up. On your android box you can install a free program called Open VPN. You can input your VPN account details and you can set it up so your VPN connects as soon as you boot up the box rather than having to remember to do it manually.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 31, 2017 16:18:42 GMT
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Post by skip on Aug 1, 2017 9:34:28 GMT
I get that completely. I was just saying that the technology used to stream is down to Sky as much as anyone else and to say its not illegal or theft is nonsense. I say make all games pay per view on-line and have done with it. It's only a different business model. Make it cheaper to watch live on match day. Everyone wins. The only way we're going to all games live on pay per view (and indeed the broadcasters absolutely would love to be able to do so) is if football supporters will accept the Premiership schedule being moved to a Sunday. I'm in favour of it but I'm in a tiny minority. Why would the shift from Saturday to Sunday facilitate 3pm match time streaming? That's the bit I don't get.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2017 10:03:04 GMT
The only way we're going to all games live on pay per view (and indeed the broadcasters absolutely would love to be able to do so) is if football supporters will accept the Premiership schedule being moved to a Sunday. I'm in favour of it but I'm in a tiny minority. Why would the shift from Saturday to Sunday facilitate 3pm match time streaming? That's the bit I don't get. Because the Premiership schedule would no longer clash with all other Saturday 3pm kick-offs, from the Championship down to the lowest tiers of non-league football. That is the only reason why live broadcasts of Premiership 3pm Saturday kick-offs aren't currently allowed.
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Post by skip on Aug 1, 2017 10:10:22 GMT
Why would the shift from Saturday to Sunday facilitate 3pm match time streaming? That's the bit I don't get. Because the Premiership schedule would no longer clash with all other Saturday 3pm kick-offs, from the Championship down to the lowest tiers of non-league football. That is the only reason why live broadcasts of Premiership 3pm Saturday kick-offs aren't currently allowed. A-ha! I see! Thanks Paul. I wasn't thinking laterally enough. That is genuinely a weight off my mind. At least when I'm thinking about football. p.s. new Intastella tune featuring Jah Wobble is a total doozy!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2017 10:11:25 GMT
Because the Premiership schedule would no longer clash with all other Saturday 3pm kick-offs, from the Championship down to the lowest tiers of non-league football. That is the only reason why live broadcasts of Premiership 3pm Saturday kick-offs aren't currently allowed. A-ha! I see! Thanks Paul. I wasn't thinking laterally enough. That is genuinely a weight off my mind. At least when I'm thinking about football. p.s. new Intastella tune featuring Jah Wobble is a total doozy! Will check it out, cheers!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 1, 2017 10:12:20 GMT
SKY TV IN BRITAIN IS A RIP OFF. OTHER COUNTRIES CAN WATCH ANY GAME THEY LIKE FOR VERY LITTLE.WE ACCEPT THIS HERE. MOST COUNRIES PEOPLE WOULD NOT! PLEASE GET RID OF SKY AND DO NOT SUBSCRIBE THIS SEASON. FIGHT MURDOCH! No, we can't, at least not in Norway! Some years ago when I decided to subscribe to see all the PL games we could, but now there is only one game available at 15.00 on Saturdays! And this match will in more than 90% of the occasions be with one of the Manchester teams, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea!! We who support other teams do not get much back compared to supporters of these teams! It feels unfair and is outright stupid as well!
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Post by alster on Aug 1, 2017 10:13:18 GMT
Couldn't be bothered with any of the shenanigans to hide my streaming. I pay to attend games and pay to receive good quality streams. Protectionist interests have been trying to strangle the availability of their material ever since the internet became mainstream and its never worked. Never had any problems as an end user of these illegal activities. Whether its breach of copyright or the war on drugs these supposedly intelligent people need to wake up to the fact that prohibition simply doesn't work.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 1, 2017 10:15:13 GMT
The only way we're going to all games live on pay per view (and indeed the broadcasters absolutely would love to be able to do so) is if football supporters will accept the Premiership schedule being moved to a Sunday. I'm in favour of it but I'm in a tiny minority. Why would the shift from Saturday to Sunday facilitate 3pm match time streaming? That's the bit I don't get. Sky/BT can't show games live aT 3pm saturdays to protect smaller club gates who all play at 3pm Saturday. If the premier league was moved to Sunday they could show whatever they wanted. Edit : must remember to read the rest of thread before replying
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