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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 14:04:47 GMT
To be fair, sky pay mega bucks for the rights which in turn make Premier league clubs very powerful in the transfer market. If everyone scrapped sky sports and streamed games for free then surely sky would drop the price they were willing to pay for the rights
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 27, 2017 14:05:57 GMT
To be fair, sky pay mega bucks for the rights which in turn make Premier league clubs very powerful in the transfer market. If everyone scrapped sky sports and streamed games for free then surely sky would drop the price they were willing to pay for the rights And the game might recover its sanity and its soul , happy days
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 27, 2017 14:47:44 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 16:21:56 GMT
Just like when they took firstrow down and 5 new proxies popped up People always find a way, until they make a legal convenient alternative like Netflix they won't stop it They call it piracy and i guess it is but there's NO legal way to watch every Stoke match online in the UK.. paying monthly for SKy sports/BT Sports to see Stoke once in a blue moon isn't worth it NOW is a good option liamo, admittedly a while since i have used it but think £6.99 (High Speed Broadband connection) for 24hours of Sky Sports Dunno how this affects these new dedicated Sky Sports Channels ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 16:23:57 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream. I don't understand any of this. I was happy with Star Soccer on Sunday afternoon 👍
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Post by stokie63 on Jul 27, 2017 16:25:48 GMT
How does this affect paid for streams like starstreams and the ones on kodi like sportsmania and a few others will it affect us? Do we need a vpn?
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Post by nonameface on Jul 27, 2017 16:35:48 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream. Good write up, only thing I'd comment on is ISPs can still get hold of information through VPNs, they could get it from the VPN provider and this is where it's important to ensure the VPN provider doesn't have to comply with this. Quite a lot of VPNs are based in the EEA or USA, which there are agreements to share information.
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 27, 2017 16:35:53 GMT
How does this affect paid for streams like starstreams and the ones on kodi like sportsmania and a few others will it affect us? Do we need a vpn? Depends if Sky/BT Sport instruct the ISP's to block the Ip addresses of the paid streams. Even though they are paid streams they are still illegal. It will be a game of cat and mouse this season. Sky/BT will get the ip addresses of the servers streaming the games and get the ISP's to block them live time. Problem is of course it will be impossible to identify and block all the streams in a short period of time. A vpn will help as it will bypass the ISP's attempts to block the server ip's
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 27, 2017 16:44:41 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream. Good write up, only thing I'd comment on is ISPs can still get hold of information through VPNs, they could get it from the VPN provider and this is where it's important to ensure the VPN provider doesn't have to comply with this. Quite a lot of VPNs are based in the EEA or USA, which there are agreements to share information. Exactly right. I use a VPN based in an easygoing European country with a lax attitude to copyright issues. They keep no logs, ever. The other point is of course the ISP's don't like this new law as it puts all the emphasis on them and their resources. There is nothing for them to gain in providing your personal details to the copyright holders. That's the beauty of the VPN. The copyright holders don't know who you are as your IP will geo-locate outside the UK. The ISP's can only respond to a request made by the copyright holder for your details if they have your UK Ip. The Isp's have no legal responsibility to report anybody suspected of streaming only to provide details on request. This makes it a very strong probability that you will not get identified.
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Post by stoneroadstokie on Jul 27, 2017 16:54:24 GMT
You can change both BT and Sky routers from automatically blocking some IP addresses used by KODI addons by turning off BT Web Protect or Sky Shield. This will allow Kodi to function properly and you will not be blocked from using certain addons such as those for films and TV series. However, it will not help to stream football if the specific IP address has been blocked due to the new legislation. The best way to get around it is to use vpn software. The use of a vpn will encrypt your data so your ISP cannot detect what you are streaming/downloading. The ISP will know that you are downloading data but they cannot see what it is. Vpn software also has the added benefit of often being routed through a different country. As a result of this, the UK blocking of certain IP addresses will not stop you connecting as you will connect via a server abroad. By the time it is directed to the UK it will be encrypted and not detected by your ISP. If you using KODI on an android box you can use the PLAY Store to download VPN software. There are free versions but generally they will be poor. It is well worth a few quids investment on a paid service for your own piece of mind and security. The other thing you need to be careful of if not using a Vpn is the use of the addon Plexus which is often installed on Kodi builds. The Plexus addon is required to connect to some streams such as certain hosts found in Sports Devil. Most streams are of a type where you have a direct connection to the server that is hosting the content, in other words a connection between your IP address and the IP address of the server. As it is a direct connection it would be very difficult for your ISP to recognise that you are connected and illegally streaming. Plexus streams work in a different way that leaves you wide open to being identified. Plexus is effectively the same protocol as a torrent swarm. That means that all users connected to the stream will not only download the data, but upload it live time to other users who enter the swarm. This is how you will get identified as content owners can use software to analyse these swarms, and can pick off all the IP addresses that are effectively sharing the content. A quick letter to your ISP and they will have to provide your details to the content owner. As for the new legislation you have to understand that the government, Sky/BT etc will always be behind the curve.The pirates remain one step ahead and this will not change. If you monitor the KODI scene there are addons that have shut down over recent weeks. However, as one closes another takes it place almost immediately. The scare stories being spoon fed by the press at the moment that the use of KODI will end the world is rubbish. This is purely a tactic to try to scare the everyday user who has limited technical knowledge away from using it. There have been recent prosecutions linked to KODI, but these relate to people who are preloading KODI boxes and selling them in large quantities. Last estimates were that over 10 million households are using KODI hence the panic by SKY and BT as it is affecting their revenue. There has recently been a test case in the European court that has resulted in streaming copyrighted content as being regarded as illegal. This does change the goalposts as prior to this case streaming was not illegal, as you would never actually hold an electronic copy of the content on the device you were using. So to sum up:- 1. Kodi is not illegal. 2. The use of Kodi to stream copyrighted content ie football streams, movies or Tv series is against the law and it is possible to receive a warning off your ISP or even worse be prosecuted. 3. Don't even think of selling preloaded Android boxes, firesticks or even the IPTV offers that I have read elsewhere on this site, as this is a criminal offence which could result in prison and massive fines. These are the individuals that will be investigated. 4. Don't use Plexus unless you have a Vpn. 5.Invest in a Vpn to give you piece of mind and a lot higher chance of finding that good 3pm Saturday away day stream. I don't understand any of this. I was happy with Star Soccer on Sunday afternoon 👍 Sorry I should learn how to pick my audience!
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jul 29, 2017 18:52:07 GMT
Sky have already done this on new routers but I believe you can get round it by changing a setting on the router. yup anything that can be considered remotely illegal Theres nothing illegal about changing the settings its the choice of the person paying for it.
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Post by firefella on Jul 29, 2017 19:36:09 GMT
Can anyone help me identify a suitable vpn....no idea what I'm looking for...
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Post by steakandchips on Jul 29, 2017 19:49:19 GMT
Can anyone help me identify a suitable vpn....no idea what I'm looking for... Windscribe
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 29, 2017 19:59:40 GMT
Watching Kodi is stealing from multimillionaires who drive round in cars worth more than your house, paid for by football fans who have no other way of seeing thire team play in the game that used to belong to the people, but has been stolen and sold to the corporate greedy. Errrr, so it's ok to steal? Fifty year s ago you had a snowball in hell's chance of seeing your teams game on tv. So you went to the game. Now, if you're willing to pay for it, you can watch most of your teams games on tv. If you're not willing to pay, go to the game. But please don't spout drivel about how people have stolen your game and think that justifies your own thievery.
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Post by Hamburgstokie on Jul 29, 2017 20:00:31 GMT
For the first time in 10-15 years time of streaming I now feel sufficient measures are being taken. These additional bits are less important than law brought in to play in May making ISPs have to customer data over if they identify streaming. Its now got the same laws as they've had in Germany where I know people have been fined relatively large amounts 500 and 1000 Euros. If you are going to stream this year, now is as good a time as any to ensure you have a decent VPN. Probably best to ensure the VPN is based in panama too, or a country that doesn't have to share data with another area. I read the other day that on average premier leagues club wages are double the next highest top flight of football, who benefits? Only the players and agents in my eyes. Whilst we suffer with overpaid limited options. DAZN, is a legal European netflix of the football world. The fee used to be 10Euro per month to watch any game streamed, unfortunately you can't watch it from the UK. Is there any kind of a petition UK football fans can vote for to get this changed before no-one is interested in football? DAZN though better than anything in UK still doesn't show every match though, so still can't watch Stoke every week. When they play the top teams, yes. Huddersfield away, unlikely!
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 29, 2017 20:37:20 GMT
Watching Kodi is stealing from multimillionaires who drive round in cars worth more than your house, paid for by football fans who have no other way of seeing thire team play in the game that used to belong to the people, but has been stolen and sold to the corporate greedy. Errrr, so it's ok to steal? Fifty year s ago you had a snowball in hell's chance of seeing your teams game on tv. So you went to the game. Now, if you're willing to pay for it, you can watch most of your teams games on tv. If you're not willing to pay, go to the game. But please don't spout drivel about how people have stolen your game and think that justifies your own thievery. Who am I stealing from? I have a season ticket, and attend every match and some away games as well. Away games Allocations are often sold out very early and so unobtainable. I attempt to watch away games that I can not get to, on crappy streams. I was going to games fifty years ago. Possibly before you were born. Get a life, and don't bother replying.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 29, 2017 20:56:37 GMT
Pay more attention when they take the same stance on child porn and extremism until then I'm stoke city and I will watch what I want Ps I have a season ticket so it's only the away games ( what the wife kicks off about me going) that I stream occasionally
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 29, 2017 22:57:03 GMT
Errrr, so it's ok to steal? Fifty year s ago you had a snowball in hell's chance of seeing your teams game on tv. So you went to the game. Now, if you're willing to pay for it, you can watch most of your teams games on tv. If you're not willing to pay, go to the game. But please don't spout drivel about how people have stolen your game and think that justifies your own thievery. Who am I stealing from? I have a season ticket, and attend every match and some away games as well. Away games Allocations are often sold out very early and so unobtainable. I attempt to watch away games that I can not get to, on crappy streams. I was going to games fifty years ago. Possibly before you were born. Get a life, and don't bother replying. . You tell me who you are stealing from ..... oh wait you already have. Reread the first sentence of your original post, or did you not really mean to incriminate yourself like that? What's my birthdate got to do with it? If I'm younger than you then it's not stealing? I wish people would put as much effort into earning a living as they do to try gyp the system. Perhaps then the price would come down, because the few would not have to pay for the freeloaders, and perhaps they could afford to watch away games.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2017 23:06:36 GMT
Who am I stealing from? I have a season ticket, and attend every match and some away games as well. Away games Allocations are often sold out very early and so unobtainable. I attempt to watch away games that I can not get to, on crappy streams. I was going to games fifty years ago. Possibly before you were born. Get a life, and don't bother replying. . You tell me who you are stealing from ..... oh wait you already have. Reread the first sentence of your original post, or did you not really mean to incriminate yourself like that? What's my birthdate got to do with it? If I'm younger than you then it's not stealing? I wish people would put as much effort into earning a living as they do to try gyp the system. Perhaps then the price would come down, because the few would not have to pay for the freeloaders, and perhaps they could afford to watch away games. Not at all sure you're right there mate. Isn't this about people who ARE prepared to pay to watch the games legally if that facility is there for them to do so but as that option isn't available to them, they have no other alternative but to source the viewing illegally? If Sky broadcast all Premiership games live, then illegal streaming of matches would die over night.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 29, 2017 23:15:23 GMT
. You tell me who you are stealing from ..... oh wait you already have. Reread the first sentence of your original post, or did you not really mean to incriminate yourself like that? What's my birthdate got to do with it? If I'm younger than you then it's not stealing? I wish people would put as much effort into earning a living as they do to try gyp the system. Perhaps then the price would come down, because the few would not have to pay for the freeloaders, and perhaps they could afford to watch away games. Not at all sure you're right there mate. Isn't this about people who ARE prepared to pay watch the games legally if that facility is there for them to do so but as that option isn't available to them, they have no other alternative but to source the viewing illegally? If Sky broadcast all Premiership games live, then illegal streaming of matches would die over night. Well there is a choice. Watch it illegally or don't watch it at all. When we were in the Championship people seemed a lot more content with the latter option. But there is truth in what you say, evidence with computer games or DVDs for example does suggest that making a product available in a territory, and at the same time as in other places, will reduce piracy as a lot of people just want the product and will be willing to pay. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that counts for everyone. Loads of people just want shit for free and for some reason don't see it as theft.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2017 23:20:28 GMT
Not at all sure you're right there mate. Isn't this about people who ARE prepared to pay watch the games legally if that facility is there for them to do so but as that option isn't available to them, they have no other alternative but to source the viewing illegally? If Sky broadcast all Premiership games live, then illegal streaming of matches would die over night. Well there is a choice. Watch it illegally or don't watch it at all. When we were in the Championship people seemed a lot more content with the latter option. But there is truth in what you say, evidence with computer games or DVDs for example does suggest that making a product available in a territory, and at the same time as in other places, will reduce piracy as a lot of people just want the product and will be willing to pay. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that counts for everyone. Loads of people just want shit for free and for some reason don't see it as theft. Oh absolutely but I was talking specifically about the person he was replying to/having a pop at for 'stealing', who had said that they were a season ticket holder. I was assuming that somebody who was prepared to fork out £400 to watch Stoke City home games would also be prepared to pay (rather than 'steal') to watch their away games.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 29, 2017 23:32:33 GMT
Well there is a choice. Watch it illegally or don't watch it at all. When we were in the Championship people seemed a lot more content with the latter option. But there is truth in what you say, evidence with computer games or DVDs for example does suggest that making a product available in a territory, and at the same time as in other places, will reduce piracy as a lot of people just want the product and will be willing to pay. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that counts for everyone. Loads of people just want shit for free and for some reason don't see it as theft. Oh absolutely but I was talking specifically about the person he was replying to/having a pop at for 'stealing', who had said they were a season ticket holder. I was assuming that somebody who was prepared to fork out £400 to watch Stoke City home games would also be prepared to pay (rather than 'steal') to watch their away games. I think most people would yes and you'd imagine at some point, but who knows when, people will eventually be able to do that. For a start it'd be a whole lot less hassle than trying to sort out a stream and the added picture quality and such stuff would surely see most people thinking it's well worth it. I'm not convinced it would have a huge impact on match day attendances either. But others would still think "well I've already spent £400 pound so why not just help myself...". I know people try to justify to themselves that illegally streaming things is a victimless crime and anyway these companies are rich as fuck, but I don't think it's that simple.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2017 23:42:18 GMT
Oh absolutely but I was talking specifically about the person he was replying to/having a pop at for 'stealing', who had said they were a season ticket holder. I was assuming that somebody who was prepared to fork out £400 to watch Stoke City home games would also be prepared to pay (rather than 'steal') to watch their away games. I think most people would yes and you'd imagine at some point, but who knows when, people will eventually be able to do that. For a start it'd be a whole lot less hassle than trying to sort out a stream and the added picture quality and such stuff would surely see most people thinking it's well worth it. I'm not convinced it would have a huge impact on match day attendances either. But others would still think "well I've already spent £400 pound so why not just help myself...". I know people try to justify to themselves that illegally streaming things is a victimless crime and anyway these companies are rich as fuck, but I don't think it's that simple. Ironically I think the ability to do so is actually in the hands of football supporters themselves ... Sky would absolutely LOVE the opportunity to sell all Premiership games for live broadcast to the public and the Premiership would absolutely love to charge Sky even more to do so. The issue however is (the quite legitimate) ban on broadcasting of live football at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. If the entire Premiership programme (save for one match on a Saturday lunch time and one match on a Saturday tea time) was switched to a Sunday then live broadcasting and pay per view of ALL Premiership games would happen over night. However the resistance from live football fans to such a switch is so strong that we will remain in this perpetual impasse.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 29, 2017 23:45:20 GMT
I think most people would yes and you'd imagine at some point, but who knows when, people will eventually be able to do that. For a start it'd be a whole lot less hassle than trying to sort out a stream and the added picture quality and such stuff would surely see most people thinking it's well worth it. I'm not convinced it would have a huge impact on match day attendances either. But others would still think "well I've already spent £400 pound so why not just help myself...". I know people try to justify to themselves that illegally streaming things is a victimless crime and anyway these companies are rich as fuck, but I don't think it's that simple. Ironically I think the ability to do so is actually in the hands of football supporters themselves ... Sky would absolutely LOVE the opportunity to sell all Premiership games for live broadcast to the public and the Premiership would absolutely love to charge Sky even more to do so. The issue however is (the quite legitimate) ban on broadcasting of live football at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. If the entire Premiership programme (save for one match on a Saturday lunch time and one match on a Saturday tea time) was switched to a Sunday then live broadcasting and pay per view of ALL Premiership games would happen over night. However the resistance from live football fans to such a switch is so strong that we will remain in this perpetual impasse. I do wonder what the implications would be for the teams (like us??) no fucker wants to watch?
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 29, 2017 23:56:39 GMT
Ironically I think the ability to do so is actually in the hands of football supporters themselves ... Sky would absolutely LOVE the opportunity to sell all Premiership games for live broadcast to the public and the Premiership would absolutely love to charge Sky even more to do so. The issue however is (the quite legitimate) ban on broadcasting of live football at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. If the entire Premiership programme (save for one match on a Saturday lunch time and one match on a Saturday tea time) was switched to a Sunday then live broadcasting and pay per view of ALL Premiership games would happen over night. However the resistance from live football fans to such a switch is so strong that we will remain in this perpetual impasse. I do wonder what the implications would be for the teams (like us??) no fucker wants to watch? Hey! I object! I want to watch us!
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 29, 2017 23:59:00 GMT
I do wonder what the implications would be for the teams (like us??) no fucker wants to watch? Hey! I object! I want to watch us! I'm not sure if I do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2017 0:02:19 GMT
Ironically I think the ability to do so is actually in the hands of football supporters themselves ... Sky would absolutely LOVE the opportunity to sell all Premiership games for live broadcast to the public and the Premiership would absolutely love to charge Sky even more to do so. The issue however is (the quite legitimate) ban on broadcasting of live football at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. If the entire Premiership programme (save for one match on a Saturday lunch time and one match on a Saturday tea time) was switched to a Sunday then live broadcasting and pay per view of ALL Premiership games would happen over night. However the resistance from live football fans to such a switch is so strong that we will remain in this perpetual impasse. I do wonder what the implications would be for the teams (like us??) no fucker wants to watch? I'm sure we'd be available as an individual pay per view, somet like £4.99 per match but then of course there would be 'season tickets' available to subscribe to a specific team.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 30, 2017 0:02:49 GMT
Well there is a choice. Watch it illegally or don't watch it at all. When we were in the Championship people seemed a lot more content with the latter option. But there is truth in what you say, evidence with computer games or DVDs for example does suggest that making a product available in a territory, and at the same time as in other places, will reduce piracy as a lot of people just want the product and will be willing to pay. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that counts for everyone. Loads of people just want shit for free and for some reason don't see it as theft. Oh absolutely but I was talking specifically about the person he was replying to/having a pop at for 'stealing', who had said that they were a season ticket holder. I was assuming that somebody who was prepared to fork out £400 to watch Stoke City home games would also be prepared to pay (rather than 'steal') to watch their away games. Hey Paul, reading his first post I replied to, it was essentially Streaming steals from rich people so it's ok, not I wish I could get a legal stream. Either way, if everyone voted with their wallets, companies would adjust to deliver the right product at the right price.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2017 0:10:00 GMT
Oh absolutely but I was talking specifically about the person he was replying to/having a pop at for 'stealing', who had said that they were a season ticket holder. I was assuming that somebody who was prepared to fork out £400 to watch Stoke City home games would also be prepared to pay (rather than 'steal') to watch their away games. Hey Paul, reading his first post I replied to, it was essentially Streaming steals from rich people so it's ok, not I wish I could get a legal stream. Either way, if everyone voted with their wallets, companies would adjust to deliver the right product at the right price. On your first point ... looking back, yeah you're absolutely right, I apologise for misquoting you. On the second point ... as I said to ParaPsych, I think the broadcast companies can't wait to give us live broadcasts of all live Premiership games, it's just whether the football public can stomach a switch to the programme being switched to a Sunday.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 30, 2017 0:23:37 GMT
I do wonder what the implications would be for the teams (like us??) no fucker wants to watch? I'm sure we'd be available as an individual pay per view, somet like £4.99 per match but then of course there would be 'season tickets' available to subscribe to a specific team. I was more talking about the money gap between the big clubs and the rest. If money from 'tickets' sold go directly to the clubs rather than a distributed pot.
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