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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 26, 2017 21:53:58 GMT
Depends how good looking she was.=) I always have the discussion with the Leicester fan in the family (he comes from there) that our goal and Leicesters is to stay in the prem year on year to improve the SQUAD of players we have until such a point is reached that we are safe from relegation. Anything on top of that like cups or Europe is pure bonus. So yes if it gives us more time to improve and distance ourselves fro the horror of relegation. But after three 9th place finishes, after many years of consolidation in the league under the previous manager, many would have thought that we'd got to that point of not being a serious candidate for relegation. Nobody beyond the big 7 is completely safe, but we really shouldn't be talking about being happy to finish 15th. In response to the OP, i wouldn't be happy with 15th but that's where I think we would finish if the squad wasn't to change. Around 5 more weeks to change it yet though...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 22:16:56 GMT
Depends how good looking she was.=) I always have the discussion with the Leicester fan in the family (he comes from there) that our goal and Leicesters is to stay in the prem year on year to improve the SQUAD of players we have until such a point is reached that we are safe from relegation. Anything on top of that like cups or Europe is pure bonus. So yes if it gives us more time to improve and distance ourselves fro the horror of relegation. But after three 9th place finishes, after many years of consolidation in the league under the previous manager, many would have thought that we'd got to that point of not being a serious candidate for relegation. Nobody beyond the big 7 is completely safe, but we really shouldn't be talking about being happy to finish 15th. In response to the OP, i wouldn't be happy with 15th but that's where I think we would finish if the squad wasn't to change. Around 5 more weeks to change it yet though... We don't have a monopoly on 9th though do we just like sensible Leicester fans know they aren't going to win the league every year we will have ups and downs, but let me ask you this. Do you think Everton will get relegated, or Southampton, do their fans even think about it at the start of a season? I doubt it.
There is little doubt that for whatever reason we took a big step backwards last season, for me it was failure to stick with the plan and players who were brought in that were on paper good players but simply did not fit into the holes we had available so made things worse instead of better. We put people in staring roles before we heard them sing , that's why we had to run for cover back to our old stalwarts who performed at an expected level and saved our arses.
What we need this season in my opinion is to learn from those mistakes, sadly so far we are tone deaf.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 26, 2017 22:30:09 GMT
At this moment in time....17th will be acceptable!!! If we make any decent signings before the transfer window closes, nothing less than 2nd is acceptable!!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 26, 2017 22:45:18 GMT
With the group we have 17th this will be a tough league . I expect the promoted sides to all put up a fight . Burnley and West Brom will be as effective as they were last year . We look like we are in a boat with Watford and Swansea just behind Palace Saints, West Ham and Bournemouth . Leicester a bit ahead of them then the top 7 way ahead . Lots still to play for in the window but unless they address the big issues 40 points will be a good season
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 26, 2017 23:17:28 GMT
Sure, as long as West Ham are 16th.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 26, 2017 23:37:58 GMT
No. This is our 10th season in the big time. Indeed, and we're 19th in terms of most Premier League wins since it started: www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/wins?se=-1That seemed impossible 10 years ago. I remember looking at our fixtures for our first season, and it looked far more daunting than our opening fixtures in the upcoming season (which look daunting). As a neutral, I think a top 10 finish, maybe even a top 12 finish, is unrealistic for you based transfer activity up to now. 15th is about right. Look at your mid-table competitors. Palace and West Ham have strengthened a lot. West Brom will be somewhere between 10th and 14th because that's what Pulis does. Southampton seem to not have had a good window. Newcastle seem to have had a shitty window, and I can see them struggling more than I expected a month ago. Brighton have had a shitty window too. Huddersfield look like they could be the highest promoted side at this rate. They've spent something like £40 million already. I haven't been paying attention to Watford's or Swansea's transactions. In what way have 'Palace... strengthened a lot'? People are completely over-egging the activity done in the Prem so far, especially by teams around us and below. Some may have done more business, undoubtedly, but plenty of others are struggling to get the deals done that they want. And no, I wouldn't 'take 15th'. There's some pathetically negative shite on this MB at the moment. Palace strengthened a lot last season too, and it didn't do them many favours, though I do think they'll do better this time. Southampton are more likely to get relegated than us. We'll finish higher than 15th. We have as good a chance as a few other teams of finishing in the top 9 again.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jul 26, 2017 23:39:03 GMT
Our keeper/backline/DM situation is so much better than last year. We'll be back around 9th again.
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 26, 2017 23:49:46 GMT
No. This is our 10th season in the big time. That actually makes me think things will get harder. Clubs of Stoke's size and stature rarely make it to 10 years. They almost never make it to 15 years. Blackburn and Bolton lasted 11 years, Fulham 14 years. Stoke have been massively overachieving for the last decade, and that is bound to run out. For midsize and small clubs with extended spells in the top flight, they reach a ceiling, stay there a few years, and wane eventually to relegation. You can see it with all the mid/small clubs that have had successful top tier runs. The three seasons of 9th place were probably the ceiling, and now I think you're in the decline phase. Let's hope it's a gradual decline rather than a fast one. Dear Duckling. Forgive me but you are coming across here as a bit of a condescending twat. This football club will be entering its 62nd season in the top flight in a month. In terms of duration in the top flight we are 18th of all teams in England. I'll say it again. 18th of all teams in England. In duration in the top flight. Yet you dismiss us as "clubs like Stoke". With respect what the fuck do you know about "clubs like Stoke" or any other club that isn't a world wide brand followed by millions of glory hunting parasites? You do know I hope that football (not soccer) existed before 1992 or whenever it was that the cancerous and ruinous "E fucking P fucking L came into existence? We are Stoke City, we are a club with a history that is better than most but thanks to the E fucking P fucking L and all of the utter cunts who have latched on to it (but without the bollox to support a club for reasons other than glamour and glory) we are now according to you and all the other experts who are so say fans of the E fucking P fucking L playing at a level we are not meant to be at for any sustained period of time. I appreciate you taking an interest in us but I would also really like it if you could understand a little bit more about the true history and dynamics of the game in this country, and were able to preach the message to your fellow aficionados that if everyone supported a club for reasons of glamour and glory all but a very few clubs would go bust and then there would be no E fucking P fucking L or any other league. BM
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Post by duckling on Jul 26, 2017 23:50:41 GMT
Sure, as long as West Ham are 16th. I want to see them relegated so that they'll host Millwall in the Championship. Let's see if their fancy taxpayer stadium survives.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 26, 2017 23:57:53 GMT
That actually makes me think things will get harder. Clubs of Stoke's size and stature rarely make it to 10 years. They almost never make it to 15 years. Blackburn and Bolton lasted 11 years, Fulham 14 years. Stoke have been massively overachieving for the last decade, and that is bound to run out. For midsize and small clubs with extended spells in the top flight, they reach a ceiling, stay there a few years, and wane eventually to relegation. You can see it with all the mid/small clubs that have had successful top tier runs. The three seasons of 9th place were probably the ceiling, and now I think you're in the decline phase. Let's hope it's a gradual decline rather than a fast one. Dear Duckling. Forgive me but you are coming across here as a bit of a condescending twat. This football club will be entering its 62nd season in the top flight in a month. In terms of duration in the top flight we are 18th of all teams in England. I'll say it again. 18th of all teams in England. In duration in the top flight. Yet you dismiss us as "clubs like Stoke". With respect what the fuck do you know about "clubs like Stoke" or any other club that isn't a world wide brand followed by millions of glory hunting parasites? You do know I hope that football (not soccer) existed before 1992 or whenever it was that the cancerous and ruinous "E fucking P fucking L came into existence? We are Stoke City, we are a club with a history that is better than most but thanks to the E fucking P fucking L and all of the utter cunts who have latched on to it (but without the bollox to support a club for reasons other than glamour and glory) we are now according to you and all the other experts who are so say fans of the E fucking P fucking L playing at a level we are not meant to be at for any sustained period of time. I appreciate you taking an interest in us but I would also really like it if you could understand a little bit more about the true history and dynamics of the game in this country, and were able to preach the message to your fellow aficionados that if everyone supported a club for reasons of glamour and glory all but a very few clubs would go bust and then there would be no E fucking P fucking L or any other league. BM And our longest consecutive spell in the top flight over all that time? Der der der derrrr..... ... 16 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 23:58:12 GMT
No I wouldn't . Watford, West Brom, and Especially West Ham relegated I can cope with. But Arsenal Fucking Champions...Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. But Brighton, Bournemouth, and Burnley in the Champions League could be fun.
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Post by duckling on Jul 27, 2017 0:13:56 GMT
Dear Duckling. Forgive me but you are coming across here as a bit of a condescending twat. This football club will be entering its 62nd season in the top flight in a month. In terms of duration in the top flight we are 18th of all teams in England. I'll say it again. 18th of all teams in England. In duration in the top flight. Yet you dismiss us as "clubs like Stoke". With respect what the fuck do you know about "clubs like Stoke" or any other club that isn't a world wide brand followed by millions of glory hunting parasites? You do know I hope that football (not soccer) existed before 1992 or whenever it was that the cancerous and ruinous "E fucking P fucking L came into existence? We are Stoke City, we are a club with a history that is better than most but thanks to the E fucking P fucking L and all of the utter cunts who have latched on to it (but without the bollox to support a club for reasons other than glamour and glory) we are now according to you and all the other experts who are so say fans of the E fucking P fucking L playing at a level we are not meant to be at for any sustained period of time. I appreciate you taking an interest in us but I would also really like it if you could understand a little bit more about the true history and dynamics of the game in this country, and were able to preach the message to your fellow aficionados that if everyone supported a club for reasons of glamour and glory all but a very few clubs would go bust and then there would be no E fucking P fucking L or any other league. BM And our longest consecutive spell in the top flight over all that time? Der der der derrrr..... ... 16 seasons. Which included 18th and 19th place in the 5th and 6th seasons which would mean relegation today. The fact is that the Premier League, as well as the influx of sugar daddies willing to spend a lot more than Peter Coates, have changed the landscape of English football financially so that the rich get richer and everyone else fights for mid table. There was a thread a few months ago asking who Stoke's comparable club is. The consensus answer was West Brom in terms of current teams, and there were people who said Blackburn Rovers back in the day. I went back and read threads from when Stoke were promoted. The first game was against Bolton, and people said they hoped that Stoke could become an established team like Bolton. How long did Blackburn and Bolton last? How about Fulham or Wigan? I'd say those teams are more comparable to Stoke than any of the top 7 teams from last year.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 27, 2017 0:24:13 GMT
And our longest consecutive spell in the top flight over all that time? Der der der derrrr..... ... 16 seasons. Which included 18th and 19th place in the 5th and 6th seasons which would mean relegation today. The fact is that the Premier League, as well as the influx of sugar daddies willing to spend a lot more than Peter Coates, have changed the landscape of English football financially so that the rich get richer and everyone else fights for mid table. There was a thread a few months ago asking who Stoke's comparable club is. The consensus answer was West Brom in terms of current teams, and there were people who said Blackburn Rovers back in the day. I went back and read threads from when Stoke were promoted. The first game was against Bolton, and people said they hoped that Stoke could become an established team like Bolton. How long did Blackburn and Bolton last? How about Fulham or Wigan? I'd say those teams are more comparable to Stoke than any of the top 7 teams from last year. Actually i was talking about 1891/92 to 1906/07, under Waddo it was 14 seasons. 13 in the early Stanley Matthews days. But I fear I might be helping make your point for you and don't want to annoy Bristol Mick so go away or some such.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 27, 2017 1:02:46 GMT
Was 2 pts from 8th last season good enough? Considering the standard we endured.
It's not where we finish (apart from bottom 3) it's the way we go about it
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Post by djduncanjames on Jul 27, 2017 1:24:15 GMT
And our longest consecutive spell in the top flight over all that time? Der der der derrrr..... ... 16 seasons. Which included 18th and 19th place in the 5th and 6th seasons which would mean relegation today. The fact is that the Premier League, as well as the influx of sugar daddies willing to spend a lot more than Peter Coates, have changed the landscape of English football financially so that the rich get richer and everyone else fights for mid table. There was a thread a few months ago asking who Stoke's comparable club is. The consensus answer was West Brom in terms of current teams, and there were people who said Blackburn Rovers back in the day. I went back and read threads from when Stoke were promoted. The first game was against Bolton, and people said they hoped that Stoke could become an established team like Bolton. How long did Blackburn and Bolton last? How about Fulham or Wigan? I'd say those teams are more comparable to Stoke than any of the top 7 teams from last year. We are bigger than Bolton I think. They sent back a lot of tickets at Wembley. Who cares anyway...? Do you mind if I ask you who you are supporting this year?
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Post by duckling on Jul 27, 2017 1:42:10 GMT
We are bigger than Bolton I think. They sent back a lot of tickets at Wembley. Who cares anyway...? Do you mind if I ask you who you are supporting this year? I'm not supporting a team. There are teams I would prefer to see do well, and Stoke are among them at least for the time being. There are teams I wouldn't mind seeing do poorly. And most of the teams I really don't feel one way or the other for. But I'm not really a fan of any team. I hope to become familiar with Stoke though naturally I'll never experience what passionate longtime fans and locals do. I followed Chelsea in the same way last year, and my plan is to follow another team next year. I continue to read up on other teams and players and also what I can find on the lower leagues, so my interests are generalized.
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 27, 2017 1:50:55 GMT
With the cost cutting and no money being injected into the team, 15th would be a very good position. Sadly I think we are going to be in big trouble, however I think a couple of last minute signings are on the cards, quality and how much we are willing to spend is anyone's guess.
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Post by rat on Jul 27, 2017 1:59:48 GMT
No chance. We'll finish top half again. There's gallons of pre-season knicker wetting going on as usual. The new Sunderland, Shawcross finished....yeah righty-ho. oh, and that new nickname for Saido that's doing the rounds - Berahinogoals - disgraceful.
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Post by thegift on Jul 27, 2017 2:25:53 GMT
I'd take 17th on goal difference right now
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Post by Mendicant on Jul 27, 2017 6:40:00 GMT
That actually makes me think things will get harder. Clubs of Stoke's size and stature rarely make it to 10 years. They almost never make it to 15 years. Blackburn and Bolton lasted 11 years, Fulham 14 years. Stoke have been massively overachieving for the last decade, and that is bound to run out. For midsize and small clubs with extended spells in the top flight, they reach a ceiling, stay there a few years, and wane eventually to relegation. You can see it with all the mid/small clubs that have had successful top tier runs. The three seasons of 9th place were probably the ceiling, and now I think you're in the decline phase. Let's hope it's a gradual decline rather than a fast one. Dear Duckling. Forgive me but you are coming across here as a bit of a condescending twat. This football club will be entering its 62nd season in the top flight in a month. In terms of duration in the top flight we are 18th of all teams in England. I'll say it again. 18th of all teams in England. In duration in the top flight. Yet you dismiss us as "clubs like Stoke". With respect what the fuck do you know about "clubs like Stoke" or any other club that isn't a world wide brand followed by millions of glory hunting parasites? You do know I hope that football (not soccer) existed before 1992 or whenever it was that the cancerous and ruinous "E fucking P fucking L came into existence? We are Stoke City, we are a club with a history that is better than most but thanks to the E fucking P fucking L and all of the utter cunts who have latched on to it (but without the bollox to support a club for reasons other than glamour and glory) we are now according to you and all the other experts who are so say fans of the E fucking P fucking L playing at a level we are not meant to be at for any sustained period of time. I appreciate you taking an interest in us but I would also really like it if you could understand a little bit more about the true history and dynamics of the game in this country, and were able to preach the message to your fellow aficionados that if everyone supported a club for reasons of glamour and glory all but a very few clubs would go bust and then there would be no E fucking P fucking L or any other league. BM If Duckling said he was Norwegian and watched us in the 70's we'd all be wanking him off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 6:43:07 GMT
If we're integrating youth like Edwards, Verlinden and NGoy whilst trying to play some half decent football on the pitch then I'd take 15th. Then when everything is settled, push on again the following season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 6:58:40 GMT
No chance.
Get out there for the next 34 days, get some deals done, get back in the top 10 and start ramming some words back down some throats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 7:02:16 GMT
Jesus Christ. Fuck this message board in the ass. I'll see you all after the summer holidays.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 7:15:20 GMT
Palace strengthened a lot last season too, and it didn't do them many favours, though I do think they'll do better this time. Southampton are more likely to get relegated than us. We'll finish higher than 15th. We have as good a chance as a few other teams of finishing in the top 9 again. I guess I was challenging the assertion that 'Palace have strengthened a lot', when, what have they actually done? Brought in an inexperienced but promising player on loan and signed a 20 year old defender from Holland. How is that commensurate with 'strengthened a lot'? As I said, I think people are creating a narrative about the ease with which other clubs are doing business and how they are doing lots of it, just so they can run down the club they supposedly support. Having 'neutral fans' contribute to that is also perplexing. But it is absolute rubbish; there are plenty of clubs struggling to do business (for various reasons) and their respective fans are also having their mini crises, each one destined for their slide down the table into oblivion. At this rate, a record 10 clubs will be moving down to the Championship in Summer 2018. There's pathetically negative bollocks posted on The Oatie at the moment and it increasingly looks like people post (spam) this board with the express intention to spout anything that puts Stoke City down, including outright lies. Plenty of good, interesting points are made but soon get drowned out by the mini-benjamins that have appeared from every nook, corner and cranny just to take a swipe at the team, the club and its academy. Sad.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 27, 2017 7:15:22 GMT
8th-12th only,Is acceptable. If there is disappointment in the new purchases I'd prefer we were relegated and win plenty of games in the championship. With draws and losses . Several seasons down the bottom of the league would really irritate me. I do stay optimistic until we know different. Sorry but I can't agree with you on this. I would much rather finish 4th from bottom than get relegated. We shouldn't assume that if we did go down that we would bounce back straight away. Last time it took us 23 years. The thought of playing Bristol City and Burton instead of Liverpool and Arsenal does not fill me with excitement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 7:15:42 GMT
Dear Duckling. Forgive me but you are coming across here as a bit of a condescending twat. This football club will be entering its 62nd season in the top flight in a month. In terms of duration in the top flight we are 18th of all teams in England. I'll say it again. 18th of all teams in England. In duration in the top flight. Yet you dismiss us as "clubs like Stoke". With respect what the fuck do you know about "clubs like Stoke" or any other club that isn't a world wide brand followed by millions of glory hunting parasites? You do know I hope that football (not soccer) existed before 1992 or whenever it was that the cancerous and ruinous "E fucking P fucking L came into existence? We are Stoke City, we are a club with a history that is better than most but thanks to the E fucking P fucking L and all of the utter cunts who have latched on to it (but without the bollox to support a club for reasons other than glamour and glory) we are now according to you and all the other experts who are so say fans of the E fucking P fucking L playing at a level we are not meant to be at for any sustained period of time. I appreciate you taking an interest in us but I would also really like it if you could understand a little bit more about the true history and dynamics of the game in this country, and were able to preach the message to your fellow aficionados that if everyone supported a club for reasons of glamour and glory all but a very few clubs would go bust and then there would be no E fucking P fucking L or any other league. BM If Duckling said he was Norwegian and watched us in the 70's we'd all be wanking him off. Or fingering her...
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Post by rat on Jul 27, 2017 7:22:25 GMT
Jesus Christ. Fuck this message board in the ass. I'll see you all after the summer holidays. She'll chew you up and spit you out kid.
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Post by rat on Jul 27, 2017 7:39:29 GMT
Our keeper/backline/DM situation is so much better than last year. We'll be back around 9th again. Yup. Spot on. I still have a copy of your first edition Poseurs Guide somewhere mate. It's a great thing, hours of pleasure.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 27, 2017 7:42:48 GMT
With this present squad, I would take it in a Heart beat, if we bring in around 4 or 5 players who will improve us no end, we could be saying, we must finish in the top 8 with this squad, one can but hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 7:46:28 GMT
Ummmm......
Nope.
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