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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2017 6:40:23 GMT
With Whelan gone, and Pieters and Shawcross well past their best, they have to give serious consideration to making Shaqiri the captain and building a team around him. That also strengthens the argument that he should play in the middle where he can have more influence on the flow of the game. Sticking him out on the wing never did make any sense to me. Maybe Hughes will finally abandon this reverse wingers bollox, which never did work very well anyway. Unfortunately, Hughes is a stubborn old bugger and doesn't seem to like admitting he's wrong. Fletcher should be captain not Shaqiri. As if he has a good season this year, Shaqiri will be off just as quick as Arnie.
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Xherdan
Jul 28, 2017 7:34:59 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jul 28, 2017 7:34:59 GMT
I think it is time to give him a go in that Number 10 role, which once again pushes Bojan out the team. The fact is, as annoying as Xherdan is, he has been worlds above Bojan lately. I hope the departure of Arnie hasn't unsettled him either. This is the problem, I reckon it will have, shaqiri always seemed then more ambitious one, and more likely to treat us like a stepping stone. But now Arnie's gone, I bet he'll get itchy feet. Bloody hope not
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2017 7:44:23 GMT
Shaqiri and Butlands final season with us, be sure of it. I just hope they play close to their maximum for the entire season because if they don't we're in for a struggle. However, I think we'll be fine
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Post by pottarius on Jul 28, 2017 7:47:46 GMT
Shaqiri and Butlands final season with us, be sure of it. I just hope they play close to their maximum for the entire season because if they don't we're in for a struggle. However, I think we'll be fine Wow! when Tony's bitch is worried then we all should be
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2017 7:54:29 GMT
Shaqiri and Butlands final season with us, be sure of it. I just hope they play close to their maximum for the entire season because if they don't we're in for a struggle. However, I think we'll be fine Wow! when Tony's bitch is worried then we all should be
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Post by bigmalc on Jul 28, 2017 10:56:52 GMT
Should Stoke try to build a team around our most talented player? And is that player Shaqiri?
Or is it someone that needs to be purchased?
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jul 28, 2017 12:20:25 GMT
He seems really up for it this pre-season. Put him in the middle and give him the armband. He seems the kind of personality that would revel in it.
(And Ryan's looked dodgy as in pre-season.)
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 28, 2017 12:27:02 GMT
Personally wouldn't want our captain to be somebody who spends too much time falling on his arse looking for free-kicks, and the rest of the time out injured.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 28, 2017 12:27:46 GMT
I think that Bojan is arguably our best player, or should be.
The problem with building around one player as a focus comes if they have a long term injury. Say we had successfully used Afalley as the key man in the number 10 role, we would have had to rethink the whole plan once he was out.
The problem that Stoke have is the lack of a coherent playing system that all the players understand and can fit into. We have some very talented Stars, including Xerdan, but as we are at the moment, whoever is in the first team squad, we do not use them effectively. The whole is somewhat less than the sum of the parts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 12:29:38 GMT
I wouldn't complain.
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Post by s7oke on Jul 28, 2017 12:32:14 GMT
Personally wouldn't want our captain to be somebody who spends too much time falling on his arse looking for free-kicks, and the rest of the time out injured. Suppose we could look at that comment from another angle Our current captain goes down on his arse and gives away free kicks and spent a lot of last season injured so go figure 😜 Yes I'm only joking I love Ryan so just thought I would get in there before anyone else did 😁
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Post by cooper67 on Jul 28, 2017 12:32:58 GMT
No.
If it isn't Ryan then Fletcher.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 28, 2017 12:35:41 GMT
Are we considering a Club Captain, or a playing captain? I think Shaq might struggle to be the latter with his injury problems. Interestingly, with question marks against the position of Ryan, and with Whelan gone, we might not have a natural leader on the pitch. One might be tempted to pick Fletcher as he was Captain at West Brom, but I actually think the strongest case is for Jack.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 12:37:24 GMT
You fucking dafties, he's barely fit. Butland, Fletcher or Shawcross.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 28, 2017 12:40:49 GMT
How about Shaqiri to be Footballer of the Year instead? Now that would be some achievement!
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Post by lowlands on Jul 28, 2017 12:45:27 GMT
Zouma, for me Captain should be in the back four, he can see the whole team and pick out the problems as the game progresses. Besides Zouma wants to win things so a Captain with a winning mentality is a good thing
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Jul 28, 2017 12:46:18 GMT
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 28, 2017 12:46:18 GMT
Fletcher for me. Shaqs got too much to worry about being one of our only attacking threats.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 28, 2017 12:49:16 GMT
I have been thinking about how we are as a team a lot recently , I would not advocate a return to Pulis ball but I think we need to make ourselves a lot harder to play against , we also need to increase the tempo at which we play especialy at home to get the crowd going . I guess it would look a bit like Leicester in style .
We also need ot make our home hostile again for visitors , its all got far too nice and sloppy .
I have no problem building our game around shaq or Bojan in a free role but we need wide men with pace and Berahino really needs to up his game and graft for chances we have to get some energy about us
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Post by Veritas on Jul 28, 2017 12:58:24 GMT
Deciding on a formation would be a start
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Post by Veritas on Jul 28, 2017 13:00:22 GMT
Er no
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 13:07:52 GMT
Then as you are building a team around him he puts in a transfer request. Lol
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Jul 28, 2017 13:17:11 GMT
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 28, 2017 13:17:11 GMT
He does seem like he would relish a captaincy role. He was considering switching from Switzerland to Kosovo as he was overlooked for the Swiss captaincy.
But would rather see it remains as is.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 28, 2017 13:24:17 GMT
There is no need to do anything with the captaincy.
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2017 13:31:03 GMT
I would leave it with Ryan.
I do think Butland is 'Officer' material in the longer term though, if he is still with us of course.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 28, 2017 13:37:21 GMT
I said the following in the other thread. Apparently, I am in the minority: "With Whelan gone, and Pieters and Shawcross well past their best, they have to give serious consideration to making Shaqiri the captain and building a team around him. That also strengthens the argument that he should play in the middle where he can have more influence on the flow of the game. Sticking him out on the wing never did make any sense to me. Maybe Hughes will finally abandon this reverse wingers bollox, which never did work very well anyway. Unfortunately, Hughes is a stubborn old bugger and doesn't seem to like admitting he's wrong."
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Xherdan
Jul 28, 2017 13:43:26 GMT
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 28, 2017 13:43:26 GMT
Always wanted arnie to step up and be captain as it may have stopped him thinking about his own game and instead focused on the team and his mark arsing may have stopped, now I see Fletcher as a great captain especially if Ryan doesn't sign or is replaced
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 28, 2017 13:53:24 GMT
If Ryan doesn't play, it's Fletcher.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 28, 2017 14:24:20 GMT
big season for shaqiri hope he does well players like him can get us a better quality of player to join us. play him in the middle where he is more involved in the game
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2017 14:29:15 GMT
Shaqiri for captain, brilliant!!!! 😂😂😂
I've always said Shawcross isn't a captain, but SHAQIRI??? 😂😂😂
Fletcher should be captain IMO!!!
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Post by samba :) on Jul 28, 2017 14:57:36 GMT
I can just picture it, could be beautiful
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