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Post by caine on Jul 26, 2017 8:41:50 GMT
Anyone got a link to it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 8:44:47 GMT
That's what we and most other clubs have been spending over the last couple of seasons (circa £20-30m), and I wouldn't imagine it being majorly different this time around. The challenge we have is that the price of 'ok' to 'good' players are being massively inflated by the ridiculous fees at the top. When you bundle in wages too, it becomes even more difficult. My (totally unqualified) guess would be we'll spend around £35-40m total in this window, and another £15-20m in January. It'll be interesting to see where we prioritise. We do seem to have 5 gaping holes - RB, CB, CM, WING, STR. I'm not concvinced Delph's what we need, although I think he's a good player. But he seems pretty baked-in to what we're going to do. Dream scenario would be something like: BMI 12 Delph 12 Winger 12 Striker 20 RB 12 with £12m pretty much the par for any worthwhile signing these days! And a big premium on any striker with 2 legs Like you say, the chances of us spending £70m this summer are small, so decisions are going to have to be made. In many ways, we can prioritise all we want but it depends on what players become available in what order! He's said time and again that the defence is the focus, so you'd imagine that another centre-half and DM are the order of the day, now closely followed by a RB, or at least someone who can play there (or RWB?) The departure of Arnie has obviously meant we need to dip into that market too; I think that LMH will look for players that can play centrally as well as in wider positions, and spend £20m on him than £32m on a dedicated striker plus a winger. Who knows? It's all guesswork and reading between the lines.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 26, 2017 8:46:02 GMT
Did this need a thread of its own you attention seeking clown. I have to admit as soon as Coates brought "net spend" up, I thought of Benji. I was slightly concerned by the muffled "Gravity Crocodile!" cry I heard later, too. Message getting home then , it been a truism since day 1 , the emphasis is different now thought it was we need to invest to progress now its if we don't invest the gravity croc will have us by christmas with the team that started last night , it at least 4/5 premier league players short .
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2017 8:47:20 GMT
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 26, 2017 8:50:52 GMT
Anything less than a £50m net spend from here will be disappointing, given the £30m we've received and wages we've shed. So you expect the club to spend £80m then?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 26, 2017 8:52:58 GMT
The Dong has spoken, fucking snake deserves every bit of vitriol that's coming his way.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2017 8:59:03 GMT
The Dong has spoken, fucking snake deserves every bit of vitriol that's coming his way. I hope the dong resurfaces soon; angry, engorged and ready to explode. I fear it's a shrivelled, unwilling maggot.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2017 9:01:38 GMT
Anything less than a £50m net spend from here will be disappointing, given the £30m we've received and wages we've shed. So you expect the club to spend £80m then? No. I meant a £50m total spend from this point! Trying to be realistic, anything less than a £20m net spend from here would be very disappointing.
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Post by pottarius on Jul 26, 2017 9:07:59 GMT
The Dong has spoken, fucking snake deserves every bit of vitriol that's coming his way. I hope the dong resurfaces soon; angry, engorged and ready to explode. I fear it's a shrivelled, unwilling maggot. We have a back-up plan... Attachment Deleted
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 26, 2017 10:54:42 GMT
It'll be interesting to see where we prioritise. We do seem to have 5 gaping holes - RB, CB, CM, WING, STR. I'm not concvinced Delph's what we need, although I think he's a good player. But he seems pretty baked-in to what we're going to do. Dream scenario would be something like: BMI 12 Delph 12 Winger 12 Striker 20 RB 12 with £12m pretty much the par for any worthwhile signing these days! And a big premium on any striker with 2 legs Like you say, the chances of us spending £70m this summer are small, so decisions are going to have to be made. In many ways, we can prioritise all we want but it depends on what players become available in what order! He's said time and again that the defence is the focus, so you'd imagine that another centre-half and DM are the order of the day, now closely followed by a RB, or at least someone who can play there (or RWB?) The departure of Arnie has obviously meant we need to dip into that market too; I think that LMH will look for players that can play centrally as well as in wider positions, and spend £20m on him than £32m on a dedicated striker plus a winger. Who knows? It's all guesswork and reading between the lines. Take the right back out at £12m all the noise suggests we are not looking for one , so in our caee thats a good 12 months even if we started monitoring , full backs are Johnson and Edwards on the right ( Cameron as the alternative ) Pieters and Muniesa on the left ( tymon who needs al loan as back up ) . So 4 is the maximum we are looking at .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 26, 2017 11:08:20 GMT
I have to admit as soon as Coates brought "net spend" up, I thought of Benji. I was slightly concerned by the muffled "Gravity Crocodile!" cry I heard later, too. Message getting home then , it been a truism since day 1 , the emphasis is different now thought it was we need to invest to progress now its if we don't invest the gravity croc will have us by christmas with the team that started last night , it at least 4/5 premier league players short . PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 26, 2017 11:12:12 GMT
Message getting home then , it been a truism since day 1 , the emphasis is different now thought it was we need to invest to progress now its if we don't invest the gravity croc will have us by christmas with the team that started last night , it at least 4/5 premier league players short . PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years It's a laudable aim in the current madness but we have to fully expect that we could very well look at being laudable and relegated.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 26, 2017 11:12:43 GMT
PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years It's a laudable aim in the current madness but we have to fully accept that we could very well look at being laudable and relegated.
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Post by RAF on Jul 26, 2017 11:16:05 GMT
He can talk about self sufficiency all he fucking likes, until teams around us start doing the same we are going to struggle to get players we really need. I get the idea, but in this horrible verminous greed ridden cess pit of absolutely no loyalty, cash is fucking king!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 26, 2017 11:17:03 GMT
PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years It's a laudable aim in the current madness but we have to fully expect that we could very well look at being laudable and relegated. Indeed - but we will get decent money for Butland and Shaq to help cushion the blow - every cloud and all that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 11:17:22 GMT
In many ways, we can prioritise all we want but it depends on what players become available in what order! He's said time and again that the defence is the focus, so you'd imagine that another centre-half and DM are the order of the day, now closely followed by a RB, or at least someone who can play there (or RWB?) The departure of Arnie has obviously meant we need to dip into that market too; I think that LMH will look for players that can play centrally as well as in wider positions, and spend £20m on him than £32m on a dedicated striker plus a winger. Who knows? It's all guesswork and reading between the lines. Take the right back out at £12m all the noise suggests we are not looking for one , so in our caee thats a good 12 months even if we started monitoring , full backs are Johnson and Edwards on the right ( Cameron as the alternative ) Pieters and Muniesa on the left ( tymon who needs al loan as back up ) . So 4 is the maximum we are looking at . I agree that 4 is probably what we're looking at. I think that one of those will be someone that can play at RB, even if his preferred position is more central or is more used to being played as RWB. The notion that we have Johnson and Cameron as our principal options with their injury records over the last 12-18 months, and then having Edwards as the only one available, is a big concern. Not that I don't have faith in Edwards being able to be a fine Prem player (one day), but I think this leaves a lot of pressure on him. Hopefully he can rise to it in a similar way as Holgate has at Everton but it would be a huge step up for him. Zouma of course has been used at RB too, but he's admitted quite publicly that he doesn't like it and he feels 'lost' out there. It's a definite problem area for the first team at the moment. Oddly, I feel less concerned about LB although it's not a too dissimilar situation? Probably because Pieters isn't anywhere near as injury-prone as Johnson or Cameron and, despite his clear drop-off in form, it is nowhere near as alarming as Johnson's. If Muni left (which is entirely possible), or we decided to go with 5 across the back and had Pieters as our LWB, then I'd probably start to get worried. Still, despite those very obvious concerns, it's great to genuinely be talking about young players such as Edwards and Tymon being 'in the mix' for a place.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 26, 2017 11:20:32 GMT
Message getting home then , it been a truism since day 1 , the emphasis is different now thought it was we need to invest to progress now its if we don't invest the gravity croc will have us by christmas with the team that started last night , it at least 4/5 premier league players short . PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years Dave he is a billion £ better business man than me but i cant for the life of me work out how losing £100m revenue supports self sufficiency . Talk to Tony bloom at Brighton and he personally has been funding operating losses of 5-10m every year in a bid to get to the premier league , the course we are now on is only downwards and that cant be self sufficient in the long run ,, if we expect the big spenders all to go bust and leave us as the virtuous ones and last man standing then I'm afraid thats naive in the extreme . Personally i believe on the pitch we have vastly exceeded our capability off it and actually the off field team is now totally out of its depth and actually they have no idea or real plan how to fix this mess having blindly followed the easy part of the sufficiency logic .. Hughes for me is a stubborn man he wont walk as he did at fulham but he isn't stupid he knows our current course will see a juicy pay off and a huge relief come the autumn .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 26, 2017 12:53:36 GMT
PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years Dave he is a billion £ better business man than me but i cant for the life of me work out how losing £100m revenue supports self sufficiency . Talk to Tony bloom at Brighton and he personally has been funding operating losses of 5-10m every year in a bid to get to the premier league , the course we are now on is only downwards and that cant be self sufficient in the long run ,, if we expect the big spenders all to go bust and leave us as the virtuous ones and last man standing then I'm afraid thats naive in the extreme . Personally i believe on the pitch we have vastly exceeded our capability off it and actually the off field team is now totally out of its depth and actually they have no idea or real plan how to fix this mess having blindly followed the easy part of the sufficiency logic .. Hughes for me is a stubborn man he wont walk as he did at fulham but he isn't stupid he knows our current course will see a juicy pay off and a huge relief come the autumn . Peter Coates funded significant losses as we strived for promotion then attempted to stay here doing the same. I'm not sure of your point really. Self sufficiency doesn't spell relegation, as much as you'd like it to. And if it does, so be it. Its dull as dishwater anyway and personally, I couldn't really give a fuck if we go down or not.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 26, 2017 13:35:14 GMT
Dave he is a billion £ better business man than me but i cant for the life of me work out how losing £100m revenue supports self sufficiency . Talk to Tony bloom at Brighton and he personally has been funding operating losses of 5-10m every year in a bid to get to the premier league , the course we are now on is only downwards and that cant be self sufficient in the long run ,, if we expect the big spenders all to go bust and leave us as the virtuous ones and last man standing then I'm afraid thats naive in the extreme . Personally i believe on the pitch we have vastly exceeded our capability off it and actually the off field team is now totally out of its depth and actually they have no idea or real plan how to fix this mess having blindly followed the easy part of the sufficiency logic .. Hughes for me is a stubborn man he wont walk as he did at fulham but he isn't stupid he knows our current course will see a juicy pay off and a huge relief come the autumn . Peter Coates funded significant losses as we strived for promotion then attempted to stay here doing the same. I'm not sure of your point really. Self sufficiency doesn't spell relegation, as much as you'd like it to. And if it does, so be it. Its dull as dishwater anyway and personally, I couldn't really give a fuck if we go down or not. Stone him, stone him to death!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 13:45:36 GMT
🐍 Hissssssssssssssssssssssdd
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Post by thevoid on Jul 26, 2017 13:59:20 GMT
Less talk, more action please Pete. Clock's ticking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:04:59 GMT
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 26, 2017 14:07:52 GMT
Wish I had done the interview...
I would have said ' now arnie is out the way, what do you really think of imbula? '
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Post by mrred on Jul 26, 2017 14:07:57 GMT
I guess they didn't bother to spell check then.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2017 14:28:38 GMT
PC has made no secret of the fact self sufficiency is the aim. It shouldn't surprise you. Its been in the public domain for best part of 10 years It's a laudable aim in the current madness but we have to fully expect that we could very well look at being laudable and relegated. He mentioned the TV money, and words to the effect that it wouldn't be around forever; does he know something others don't?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2017 14:30:36 GMT
He can talk about self sufficiency all he fucking likes, until teams around us start doing the same we are going to struggle to get players we really need. I get the idea, but in this horrible verminous greed ridden cess pit of absolutely no loyalty, cash is fucking king! H It's akin to unilateral nuclear disarmament; laudable but potentially disastrous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:36:42 GMT
Thanks for that. Don't forget to select the 8:30-9:00 slot to find Sir Pete!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:58:31 GMT
Totally underlined the point on talk sport that many us have made over to Mr Scholes let's assume the budget was the reporteed 10 then we have £35/40 m of deals to get done in 2 weeks before the season starts Should now end the the nett spend irrelevant shit on here unless those pedalling it think Mr Coates is Beet off up the vale as well as me Certain long term themes really beginning to come home to roost this summer . You're completely misrepresenting a) what PC said and the context in which he said it, and b) the way you go on about net spend as though it is the barometer of transfer competitiveness and success. PC brought it up to point out that Everton's spending seemed huge, but is offset by the sale of players such as Lukaku (and the soon-to-be-departed Barkley). He said that the critical thing to look at was the net spend and not the total spend; which fit exactly with the conversation about clubs not over-reaching and self-imploding. Your ongoing, and rather futile point about net spend is that without it being in the tens of millions we are somehow destined for relegation. Which is bollocks.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2017 15:04:01 GMT
Swear Durham just said "Stoke In Crisis"! May have misheard him, though.
Edit. He did say it. Benjiiiiiiii!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 26, 2017 15:08:20 GMT
That's what we and most other clubs have been spending over the last couple of seasons (circa £20-30m), and I wouldn't imagine it being majorly different this time around. The challenge we have is that the price of 'ok' to 'good' players are being massively inflated by the ridiculous fees at the top. When you bundle in wages too, it becomes even more difficult. My (totally unqualified) guess would be we'll spend around £35-40m total in this window, and another £15-20m in January. It'll be interesting to see where we prioritise. We do seem to have 5 gaping holes - RB, CB, CM, WING, STR. I'm not concvinced Delph's what we need, although I think he's a good player. But he seems pretty baked-in to what we're going to do. Dream scenario would be something like: BMI 12 Delph 12 Winger 12 Striker 20 RB 12 with £12m pretty much the par for any worthwhile signing these days! And a big premium on any striker with 2 legs Like you say, the chances of us spending £70m this summer are small, so decisions are going to have to be made. So you don't think that Diouf could be your striker or R(W)B or both :-) Wingers/wide men Sobhi, Shaq, Verlinden, Ngoy, Diouf.
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