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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 16:52:54 GMT
Am I being naïve? For some reason I thought/hoped what is effectively our U23 side with all the talk of us having some great youngsters would be too good for Crewe who nearly fell out of the football league altogether 3 months ago. But none of it, instead going by the score line it seems we got a bit of a towelling. Hopefully this will at least serve a lesson to anyone who thinks in the absence of Walters, Whelan, Bardo, Arnie, Bruno etc. next season we can do this thing with the kids, the emphatic answer is 'no we can't' and we shouldn't even try. Need to get some reinforcements in, with proven experience, this week... Looking at the team we actually fielded, there only seems any buzz about Sweeney and Campbell. I'd be more worried if Edwards, Tymon, Souttar, Verlinden, Telford and Ngoy had been playing. u23s football just seems a quagmire for most players. That said, Crewe's team seems almost as young and probably acquired for much, much less. Sweeney, Waddington and Campbell all probably cost more than any Crewe player, and a wage bill comparison between the 2 sets of players would probably be quite interesting? Can't say I was surprised though - that's why I was straight on betfair to back Crewe as soon as I saw the team. And the reason we lost was the most experienced one of the lot who is the third choice goalie. With anyone else in and Souttar playing instead of Wara it would have been a lot tighter. That's not to dress what was a poor performance up but they offered very little bar putting crosses in that Haugaard couldn't deal with. I don't know where Wara has come from to be trusted to played in a friendly against a league side but it came as a shock to me at least. But he's a 17 year old learning and that's how he played. Hill was our standout player. He was getting past people like they weren't there. Really good to see. Campbell was isolated and couldn't do much but he needs to fight a bit more. I really hope we pay up Haugaard's contract, he can't be trusted.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 30, 2017 16:53:32 GMT
Nice goal from Waddington but not a lot else to shout about . Shenton pick of the team when he was on . Tactics do ud no favours Crewe' s play much more progressive and positive . Hard to judge Campbell looks strong but no service or support really . Unfortunately sounds very much like the 1st Team It was just like the first team set up now .
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Post by adi on Jul 30, 2017 16:57:48 GMT
Looking at the team we actually fielded, there only seems any buzz about Sweeney and Campbell. I'd be more worried if Edwards, Tymon, Souttar, Verlinden, Telford and Ngoy had been playing. u23s football just seems a quagmire for most players. That said, Crewe's team seems almost as young and probably acquired for much, much less. Sweeney, Waddington and Campbell all probably cost more than any Crewe player, and a wage bill comparison between the 2 sets of players would probably be quite interesting? Can't say I was surprised though - that's why I was straight on betfair to back Crewe as soon as I saw the team. And the reason we lost was the most experienced one of the lot who is the third choice goalie. With anyone else in and Souttar playing instead of Wara it would have been a lot tighter. That's not to dress what was a poor performance up but they offered very little bar putting crosses in that Haugaard couldn't deal with. I don't know where Wara has come from to be trusted to played in a friendly against a league side but it came as a shock to me at least. But he's a 17 year old learning and that's how he played. Hill was our standout player. He was getting past people like they weren't there. Really good to see. Campbell was isolated and couldn't do much but he needs to fight a bit more. I really hope we pay up Haugaard's contract, he can't be trusted. So no poor defending just wank goalkeeping?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 30, 2017 16:58:36 GMT
Looking at the team we actually fielded, there only seems any buzz about Sweeney and Campbell. I'd be more worried if Edwards, Tymon, Souttar, Verlinden, Telford and Ngoy had been playing. u23s football just seems a quagmire for most players. That said, Crewe's team seems almost as young and probably acquired for much, much less. Sweeney, Waddington and Campbell all probably cost more than any Crewe player, and a wage bill comparison between the 2 sets of players would probably be quite interesting? Can't say I was surprised though - that's why I was straight on betfair to back Crewe as soon as I saw the team. And the reason we lost was the most experienced one of the lot who is the third choice goalie. With anyone else in and Souttar playing instead of Wara it would have been a lot tighter. That's not to dress what was a poor performance up but they offered very little bar putting crosses in that Haugaard couldn't deal with. I don't know where Wara has come from to be trusted to played in a friendly against a league side but it came as a shock to me at least. But he's a 17 year old learning and that's how he played. Hill was our standout player. He was getting past people like they weren't there. Really good to see.
Campbell was isolated and couldn't do much but he needs to fight a bit more. I really hope we pay up Haugaard's contract, he can't be trusted. Have you seen him before, Bayern? Is he a central midfielder? www.fabacademy.co.uk/single-post/2017/04/20/Ryan-Hill-signs-for-Stoke-City-FCI've seen his name before, but didn't really know much about him. Signed from Beaconsfield Town in the spring. Could he be one to watch then?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 30, 2017 17:02:31 GMT
What was the score and how bad was haugaard?
I retired 13 years ago but I'm convinced I could get my gloves out again and be better than him after a quick pre season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 17:04:55 GMT
And the reason we lost was the most experienced one of the lot who is the third choice goalie. With anyone else in and Souttar playing instead of Wara it would have been a lot tighter. That's not to dress what was a poor performance up but they offered very little bar putting crosses in that Haugaard couldn't deal with. I don't know where Wara has come from to be trusted to played in a friendly against a league side but it came as a shock to me at least. But he's a 17 year old learning and that's how he played. Hill was our standout player. He was getting past people like they weren't there. Really good to see. Campbell was isolated and couldn't do much but he needs to fight a bit more. I really hope we pay up Haugaard's contract, he can't be trusted. So no poor defending just wank goalkeeping? The defenders weren't really troubled apart from Wara.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 30, 2017 17:06:33 GMT
Never understood why we haven't utilised Crewe more over the years to develop some of the youngsters. Surely benefits for all concerned.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 17:07:26 GMT
And the reason we lost was the most experienced one of the lot who is the third choice goalie. With anyone else in and Souttar playing instead of Wara it would have been a lot tighter. That's not to dress what was a poor performance up but they offered very little bar putting crosses in that Haugaard couldn't deal with. I don't know where Wara has come from to be trusted to played in a friendly against a league side but it came as a shock to me at least. But he's a 17 year old learning and that's how he played. Hill was our standout player. He was getting past people like they weren't there. Really good to see.
Campbell was isolated and couldn't do much but he needs to fight a bit more. I really hope we pay up Haugaard's contract, he can't be trusted. Have you seen him before, Bayern? Is he a central midfielder? www.fabacademy.co.uk/single-post/2017/04/20/Ryan-Hill-signs-for-Stoke-City-FCI've seen his name before, but didn't really know much about him. Signed from Beaconsfield Town in the spring. Could he be one to watch then? I've only seen him against Chasetown in the Senior Cup and he was the same then. Quick feet and body swerves galore. He seems a very decent player but as ever it's a minefield with how they may get on. He was our best player today though.
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Post by dave77 on Jul 30, 2017 18:17:41 GMT
Got 4/1 on Crewe, easiest 5k I've ever earned.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 30, 2017 18:21:01 GMT
So no poor defending just wank goalkeeping? The defenders weren't really troubled apart from Wara. We didnt look good at the back let in 3 and Crewe missed a fair few other chances too , there didnt seem to be much understanding on how to defend crosses in general , not just by the keeper
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 30, 2017 18:29:46 GMT
I've only seen him against Chasetown in the Senior Cup and he was the same then. Quick feet and body swerves galore. He seems a very decent player but as ever it's a minefield with how they may get on. He was our best player today though. I had posted what I though at HT but to expand a little... Haugaard cost us the game today as Crewe's 2nd and 3rd goals were embarrassing at best. Our setup was very much like the first team some good passing spells at times and then no quality when it matters and at times our final ball was woeful with no real chances created other than the goal which was a good strike. Shut up and formation just doesn't work Souttar looked good when he came on and Moha looked like he had something about him as well again with no real end product. Campbell seems like he needs to put more effort in however the service to him today was shocking, never really used his power or pace at all. Shenton looked good in the first half holds players off well and used the ball effectively and I was also really impressed with Sweeney in the first half really strong and mopped everything up. Da Silva looked poor and Waddington just looked dirty in the first half but really improved in the second Our stand out player by far was Hill, very quick glided past a lot of their players as if they weren't there, picked a good pass and was quick to offer himself for the ball, looking forward to seeing him over the next couple of years. Need to get a few of them loaned out to a decent League team, it's pointless keeping them in the under 23 League they need to be tested at a higher level And a final thought whoever the pillock was wearing a black tea cosy on his head just in front of me near the halfway line needs to have a serious word with himself, some of the things that he was shouting was nothing short of embarrassing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 18:29:48 GMT
Got 4/1 on Crewe, easiest 5k I've ever earned. Wish I had the balls to do that!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 18:30:21 GMT
The defenders weren't really troubled apart from Wara. We didnt look good at the back let in 3 and Crewe missed a fair few other chances too , there didnt seem to be much understanding on how to defend crosses in general , not just by the keeper I think they were rightly waiting for the keeper to come. They were all well into the 6 yard area, which is where the keeper should be dealing with it. As I said, Wara looked out of his depth but he was bound to. He will have learnt a lot hopefully. There seemed to be a lot of people there today that didn't get that it was our u23s vs their first team. Again that doesn't excuse what was a poor performance but it gives the background to it. Having Souttar and Sweeney playing together at the back would have made a massive difference. But they wouldn't have improved Haugaard's dithering. The 2nd and 3rd goals are Haugaard's forte. They are balls the CB is expecting the keeper to collect. Ask any Wigan fan and they will tell you is that how he deals with crosses.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 18:32:03 GMT
I've only seen him against Chasetown in the Senior Cup and he was the same then. Quick feet and body swerves galore. He seems a very decent player but as ever it's a minefield with how they may get on. He was our best player today though. I had posted what I though at HT but to expand a little... Haugaard cost us the game today as Crewe's 2nd and 3rd goals were embarrassing at best. Our setup was very much like the first team some good passing spells at times and then no quality when it matters and at times our final ball was woeful with no real chances created other than the goal which was a good strike. Shut up and formation just doesn't work Souttar looked good when he came on and Moha looked like he had something about him as well again with no real end product. Campbell seems like he needs to put more effort in however the service to him today was shocking, never really used his power or pace at all. Shenton looks good in the first half hold players off well and used the ball effectively and I was also really impressed with Sweeney in the first half really strong and mopped everything up. Da Silva looked poor in the first half and Waddington just looked dirty in the first half but really improved in the second half Our stand out player by far was Hill, very quick glided past a lot of their players as if they weren't there picked a good pass and was quick to offer himself for the ball, looking forward to seeing him over the next couple of years. Need to get a few of them loaned out to a decent League team comma it's pointless keeping them in the under 23 League they need to be tested at a higher level And a final thought whoever the pillock was wearing a black tea cosy on his head just in front of me near the halfway line needs to have a serious word with himself, some of the things that he was shouting was nothing short of embarrassing Agree with all of that!
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2017 19:14:07 GMT
Am I being naïve? For some reason I thought/hoped what is effectively our U23 side with all the talk of us having some great youngsters would be too good for Crewe who nearly fell out of the football league altogether 3 months ago. But none of it, instead going by the score line it seems we got a bit of a towelling. Hopefully this will at least serve a lesson to anyone who thinks in the absence of Walters, Whelan, Bardo, Arnie, Bruno etc. next season we can do this thing with the kids, the emphatic answer is 'no we can't' and we shouldn't even try. Need to get some reinforcements in, with proven experience, this week... You are aware that there isn't a single youngster in that team that is knocking on the door to be involved with the first team aren't you? At least 2 of them have played for us already, but I suppose we can take some consolation from the fact some of our bigger guns were missing. Either way it's disappointing and I wouldn't be building any of our 2017 plans around our kids unless we fancy a trip to the Championship.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 30, 2017 19:33:02 GMT
You are aware that there isn't a single youngster in that team that is knocking on the door to be involved with the first team aren't you? At least 2 of them have played for us already, but I suppose we can take some consolation from the fact some of our bigger guns were missing. Either way it's disappointing and I wouldn't be building any of our 2017 plans around our kids unless we fancy a trip to the Championship. Excluding the keeper, which two are those? I'd also argue that shenton's 30 second, no touch appearance doesn't really count. That side was missing all 4 players who potentially could feature in the 1st team this season. You opened by asking if you were naive. The answer is clearly a resounding "yes".
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 30, 2017 19:36:01 GMT
The defenders weren't really troubled apart from Wara. We didnt look good at the back let in 3 and Crewe missed a fair few other chances too , there didnt seem to be much understanding on how to defend crosses in general , not just by the keeper Sounds familiarly like the first team apart from the keeper that is, makes you wonder how much truth there was in what Wilson stated about defensive training.
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Post by wokka59 on Jul 30, 2017 19:36:45 GMT
look, you have to say it as you see it , we were fckun w~nk, if any of them, on that performance, reach anywhere near the first team, well, i shudder to think., and as for the goalkeeper and the centre half, god help us
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Post by wokka59 on Jul 30, 2017 19:39:36 GMT
while im at it the number 11 wanna much better, although its probably cruel to pick out individuals from such a poor performance
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 30, 2017 19:44:11 GMT
Another fucking useless display. Put the youngsters in???? How old is Shenton???
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 19:44:30 GMT
look, you have to say it as you see it , we were fckun w~nk, if any of them, on that performance, reach anywhere near the first team, well, i shudder to think., and as for the goalkeeper and the centre half, god help us None of them are though. The ones who are closest from today are; Sweeney- needs loaning to a Championship club. Souttar- needs loaning to any club in the league pyramid/Conference that will give him games. Campbell- needs half a season in the u23 league and to be scoring. I know people have been saying all sorts about these 3 in particular but for me that's where those 3 should be this season. They're learning the game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2017 19:45:04 GMT
Another fucking useless display. Put the youngsters in???? How old is Shenton??? Have a guess......
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 30, 2017 19:56:25 GMT
Another fucking useless display. Put the youngsters in???? How old is Shenton??? I bet he is Under 23
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 30, 2017 20:06:12 GMT
And still they keep on coming...
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 30, 2017 20:20:24 GMT
We didnt look good at the back let in 3 and Crewe missed a fair few other chances too , there didnt seem to be much understanding on how to defend crosses in general , not just by the keeper I think they were rightly waiting for the keeper to come. They were all well into the 6 yard area, which is where the keeper should be dealing with it. As I said, Wara looked out of his depth but he was bound to. He will have learnt a lot hopefully. There seemed to be a lot of people there today that didn't get that it was our u23s vs their first team. Again that doesn't excuse what was a poor performance but it gives the background to it. Having Souttar and Sweeney playing together at the back would have made a massive difference. But they wouldn't have improved Haugaard's dithering. The 2nd and 3rd goals are Haugaard's forte. They are balls the CB is expecting the keeper to collect. Ask any Wigan fan and they will tell you is that how he deals with crosses. Two of Crewe's players Lowery 19 and Cooper 20 looked a level above ours to me today . Not sure u-23 football is much use better to get them in open age football
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 30, 2017 20:23:47 GMT
Another fucking useless display. Put the youngsters in???? How old is Shenton??? I bet he is Under 23 Is he any good???
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Post by lordb on Jul 30, 2017 20:31:17 GMT
I bet he is Under 23 Is he any good??? He was quite good today. Don't see him making the Premier League but he should be somewhere in the league.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 30, 2017 20:39:00 GMT
I bet he is Under 23 Is he any good??? Had a good game today, only played the first 45 but did well while he was on. As I said, a few of them need to go out now to a championship / top of L1 team to get some proper experience which will make/break them
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Post by steventaaffe on Jul 30, 2017 20:42:13 GMT
I bet he is Under 23 Is he any good??? league two maybe league one player at best
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 30, 2017 20:45:51 GMT
league two maybe league one player at best Behave
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