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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 10:09:26 GMT
If Johnson stays fit he'll be up there for player of the season and in an England squad or two if there are injuries elsewhere. There I've said it. Fire away. 1/10 Can do better.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2017 10:10:07 GMT
With Bards rumoured going to Burnley I certainly could see us bringing a right back in this window, or maybe Geoff will play there?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 23, 2017 10:13:58 GMT
Geoff is not a right back and mark and his team know that.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 23, 2017 10:14:03 GMT
With Bards rumoured going to Burnley I certainly could see us bringing a right back in this window, or maybe Geoff will play there? Cameron is shocking at right back, this shouldn't even be a suggestion, it shows what a mess it is atm.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 23, 2017 10:15:06 GMT
It makes sense to thin out right back because we don't need the amount of options we have and it would be good to see if Edwards can make it. I'd personally prefer Bardsley instead of Johnson but there's little difference between the two; both are now performing at bottom end if premier league standard.
If Johnson and Edwards don't perform we've still got Cameron as an option.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 23, 2017 10:20:26 GMT
Geoff is not a right back and mark and his team know that. But do they know Johnson is finished as a wing back ? apparently not
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 23, 2017 10:22:46 GMT
It makes sense to thin out right back because we don't need the amount of options we have and it would be good to see if Edwards can make it. I'd personally prefer Bardsley instead of Johnson but there's little difference between the two; both are now performing at bottom end if premier league standard. If Johnson and Edwards don't perform we've still got Cameron as an option. Which is why we are a bottom end PL club, Johnson is a shocking example of Mark Hughes's knowledge of a defender.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jul 23, 2017 10:25:02 GMT
Bardsley is injured (back). Johnson is injured (calf).
WHAT THE F**K ARE WE DOING AT RIGHT BACK ?!?!?!?!
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Post by professorplump on Jul 23, 2017 10:32:08 GMT
Letting Bardo goes makes zero sense. And yet a couple of months ago you said that giving Bardsley a new contract made zero sense. Looks like muddled thinking is contagious!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 10:37:32 GMT
Letting Bardo goes makes zero sense. And yet a couple of months ago you said that giving Bardsley a new contract made zero sense. Looks like muddled thinking is contagious! It didn't! Here is the full thinking. Both right backs are out of contract. Only one should be given a contract. That should have been Bardsley. Johnson is given a new contract. It then makes no sense to give Bardsley one as we need a space for a new right back. Now we have both signed up, it makes no sense to sell the better right back. Not so muddled thinking and just reacting to the absolute fuck up the club have created.
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Post by bhp on Jul 23, 2017 10:41:09 GMT
To me it seems obvious that they feel Tom Edwards is near enough ready, they seem reluctant to spend in that area because they think not this season but next he will be starting right back.
That's the only reason I can think of the truly ridiculous decisions of keeping both Bardsley and Johnson here.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 10:42:16 GMT
How old is Jackie Marsh now?I would still pick him ahead of Johnson,FFS I would pick M Stein at right back ahead of Johnson.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 23, 2017 10:57:59 GMT
And yet a couple of months ago you said that giving Bardsley a new contract made zero sense. Looks like muddled thinking is contagious! It didn't! Here is the full thinking. Both right backs are out of contract. Only one should be given a contract. That should have been Bardsley. Johnson is given a new contract. It then makes no sense to give Bardsley one as we need a space for a new right back. Now we have both signed up, it makes no sense to sell the better right back. Not so muddled thinking and just reacting to the absolute fuck up the club have created. I still think both right backs were given extensions so that they could be sold rather than given away. Johnson was attracting interest from other clubs towards the end of last season. I would be very surprised if either of them are at the club by the end of this season. If Hughes really rated them, he would have given them longer contracts than one year.
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Post by skelman on Jul 23, 2017 11:10:23 GMT
It didn't! Here is the full thinking. Both right backs are out of contract. Only one should be given a contract. That should have been Bardsley. Johnson is given a new contract. It then makes no sense to give Bardsley one as we need a space for a new right back. Now we have both signed up, it makes no sense to sell the better right back. Not so muddled thinking and just reacting to the absolute fuck up the club have created. I still think both right backs were given extensions so that they could be sold rather than given away. Johnson was attracting interest from other clubs towards the end of last season. I would be very surprised if either of them are at the club by the end of this season. If Hughes really rated them, he would have given them longer contracts than one year. Got a point here! - but no way should Johnson be first pick anytime.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 11:16:19 GMT
It didn't! Here is the full thinking. Both right backs are out of contract. Only one should be given a contract. That should have been Bardsley. Johnson is given a new contract. It then makes no sense to give Bardsley one as we need a space for a new right back. Now we have both signed up, it makes no sense to sell the better right back. Not so muddled thinking and just reacting to the absolute fuck up the club have created. I still think both right backs were given extensions so that they could be sold rather than given away. Johnson was attracting interest from other clubs towards the end of last season. I would be very surprised if either of them are at the club by the end of this season. If Hughes really rated them, he would have given them longer contracts than one year. If that's the case the club are absolute idiots still. I think Hughes kept hold of them both for the reason Jamo says but in Johnson's case because he rated him. Which is sheer madness. Because no one is going to buy him. The Barca stuff was bollock. And maybe, we did give Afellay more than 1 year but is he a bit younger? That was fucking stupid too mind.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 23, 2017 11:27:41 GMT
Bardsley is injured (back). Johnson is injured (calf). WHAT THE F**K ARE WE DOING AT RIGHT BACK ?!?!?!?! Are you sure Bardo is still injured? He played the first half at St Georges yesterday and, as far as I know, suffered no problems.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 11:32:09 GMT
Bardsley is injured (back). Johnson is injured (calf). WHAT THE F**K ARE WE DOING AT RIGHT BACK ?!?!?!?! Are you sure Bardo is still injured? He played the first half at St Georges yesterday and, as far as I know, suffered no problems. He did. He's still a bit of a crock though which is another issue as the pair of them are.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 23, 2017 11:39:45 GMT
Are you sure Bardo is still injured? He played the first half at St Georges yesterday and, as far as I know, suffered no problems. He did. He's still a bit of a crock though which is another issue as the pair of them are. Yes, I agree he Bardo is a pretty regular sick note. However, he does appear to be recovered from the back injury he suffered in Switzerland.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 23, 2017 11:42:23 GMT
It'd be better if it was Johnson - but if it opens up the room to allow us to get a proper right-back in, I'll take it! Seeing Johnson trundling up and down the line in pre-season has hopefully pushed Sparky over the edge and made him realise he had to do something I just won't take it tbh. Why what are you going to do? Moan about it? 😲
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Post by march4 on Jul 23, 2017 11:46:32 GMT
Perhaps Shotton is on the way back.
There are rumours of a multi £M offer for him.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 23, 2017 11:47:43 GMT
Bardsley is injured (back). Johnson is injured (calf). WHAT THE F**K ARE WE DOING AT RIGHT BACK ?!?!?!?! Play Edwards? Sign a player? Waiting for those 2 to heal?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 23, 2017 11:50:31 GMT
If Johnson stays fit he'll be up there for player of the season and in an England squad or two if there are injuries elsewhere. There I've said it. Fire away. You been on the pop😮😄
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 23, 2017 11:54:03 GMT
If Johnson stays fit he'll be up there for player of the season and in an England squad or two if there are injuries elsewhere. There I've said it. Fire away. You been on the pop😮😄 that was yesterday!!! It was a bit tongue in cheek and as extreme as some of the sad act know it alls on here predicting the end of the world.
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2017 12:16:56 GMT
Johnson was excellent in his first season proved all of us doubters wrong. Then last season he proved us all right.
Quite an extreme change.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 23, 2017 12:18:24 GMT
Bardsley is injured (back). Johnson is injured (calf). WHAT THE F**K ARE WE DOING AT RIGHT BACK ?!?!?!?! Injury statements are incorrect.
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Post by alster on Jul 23, 2017 12:24:25 GMT
Johnson was excellent in his first season proved all of us doubters wrong. Then last season he proved us all right. Quite an extreme change. He didn't really prove anyone wrong first season either, yes he was quality but he missed months of the season with injury thereby confirming his sicknote status that most posters objected to when we signed him. Same problem with Affelay, theres a quality player there no doubt but he's been crocked every season for the last 6 seasons. Its not good use of wage budget or a squad space.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2017 16:06:49 GMT
With Bards rumoured going to Burnley I certainly could see us bringing a right back in this window, or maybe Geoff will play there? Cameron is shocking at right back, this shouldn't even be a suggestion, it shows what a mess it is atm. I'd say the expression shocking is taking it a bit too far here!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 23, 2017 16:10:28 GMT
Geoff is not a right back and mark and his team know that. Mark & his team aware that Johnson is flouting trade description at the moment by claiming to be a first choice right back? Get it sorted!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 23, 2017 16:21:59 GMT
To me it seems obvious that they feel Tom Edwards is near enough ready, they seem reluctant to spend in that area because they think not this season but next he will be starting right back. That's the only reason I can think of the truly ridiculous decisions of keeping both Bardsley and Johnson here. Exactly, people on this board want young players to be given a chance but want top signings in the same positions now, it's illogical. Tyson and Edwards are obviously seen as the future and the club is having to gamble on the transition path. Seems a reasonable gamble and if we think Edwards is coming on fast makes sense to cash in on Beardsley as always have Cameron as right back cover
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 23, 2017 16:51:59 GMT
No. 18 ...
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