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Post by pyrus on Jul 23, 2017 9:05:33 GMT
Can someone give me a legitimate reason why the club feel its ok to go into the season with the right backs we have? Just one decent reason... How can you be so certain that we are intending to go into the season with the right backs that we have?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 23, 2017 9:06:33 GMT
Sadly no, whoever decided to keep Johnson should be made to explain themselves .
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 23, 2017 9:07:11 GMT
And this is what really fucks me off with it. Hughes definitely intervened to keep him. It looked a million miles off then he said something in the press and a couple of days later it was done. All with Hughes gushing over him. The only problem with that is finding a buyer for Johnson. We clearly can't keep the both of them and sign a new first team right back so if Bardsley is the one in demand then I suppose we have to take it, and just hope that Johnson doesn't have to deputise. I agree with the Johnson renewal though. Mental decision! *Replied to the wrong post by the way. It was supposed to be to the one before*
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:08:03 GMT
Can someone give me a legitimate reason why the club feel its ok to go into the season with the right backs we have? Just one decent reason... How can you be so certain that we are intending to go into the season with the right backs that we have? Why give them both new deals? It seems MH has been that horrified with Johnson that hopefully he's felt the need to. Why he couldn't see that last season I do not know.
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Post by longport on Jul 23, 2017 9:08:42 GMT
If a decent younger rb comes in then it's a good deal
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Post by walrus on Jul 23, 2017 9:09:06 GMT
When you consider he saw a great player in Imbula it is not so hard. I think a lot of people saw a great player in Imbula, me included. Away at Chelsea towards the end of the 15/16 season he put in one of the best individual performances I've ever seen from a Stoke player - he absolutely ran the show. That just makes it all the more frustrating that he was so poor last year. There is a quality player in there somewhere, but it's looking less and less likely we'll ever see it in a Stoke shirt again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:10:17 GMT
And this is what really fucks me off with it. Hughes definitely intervened to keep him. It looked a million miles off then he said something in the press and a couple of days later it was done. All with Hughes gushing over him. The only problem with that is finding a buyer for Johnson. We clearly can't keep the both of them and sign a new first team right back so if Bardsley is the one in demand then I suppose we have to take it, and just hope that Johnson doesn't have to deputise. I agree with the Johnson renewal though. Mental decision! I'd just ignore him and sign one anyway. It's a years wages and is absolutely critical. Coates just needs to find the million quid behind the sofa. He could have avoided this by sacking the eejit but ho hum! I really don't trust Johnson. He literally can't run anymore, he shouldn't be back up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 9:11:54 GMT
In a word, no.
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Post by trigger on Jul 23, 2017 9:12:16 GMT
It's baffling it really is. Johnson was an embarrasent and to extend his contract by a further season is another reason why Hughes should have gone after the Southampton game.
Johnson and Pieters will see Hughes out of a job come mid September.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2017 9:12:17 GMT
It's fair to say we're stuck with GJ, just said on Twitter who knows why? Seemed odd to offer him a deal unless he'd pre qualified for it and we had to give him it. If not it was a bloody daft thing to do. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/11/glen-johnson-will-leave-stoke-city-free-agent-summer-failing/Yeah - all very strange especially as John Percy initially said he had fallen short of the 25 games he needed to trigger the extra year, and he was going to be released, then all of a sudden he wasn't. Hard to work out what Hughesy saw to justify the extension. Can't remember such a dramatic collapse of form in a player. I've just said to Bayern, I can only assume he panicked after a budget meeting for this season. It's the only plausible explanation!
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 23, 2017 9:13:01 GMT
Could mean that Zouma will play RB, and that BMI is re-signing with us.
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Post by theteacher on Jul 23, 2017 9:14:02 GMT
Good move for Stoke. He is better than the wank Johnson but room in the squad for an improved more mobile rightback is needed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2017 9:17:14 GMT
I've just said to Bayern, I can only assume he panicked after a budget meeting for this season. It's the only plausible explanation! If there's anything in that Mirror story of Hughes being given an initial pre-Arnie sale budget of a packet of crisps and a curly wurly, that would explain it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:18:49 GMT
I've just said to Bayern, I can only assume he panicked after a budget meeting for this season. It's the only plausible explanation! If there's anything in that Mirror story of Hughes being given an initial pre-Arnie sale budget of a packet of crisps and curly wurly, that would explain it! It would but right back should have been #1 priority. Instead we ignored it.
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Post by pyrus on Jul 23, 2017 9:21:40 GMT
How can you be so certain that we are intending to go into the season with the right backs that we have? Why give them both new deals? It seems MH has been that horrified with Johnson that hopefully he's felt the need to. Why he couldn't see that last season I do not know. There could be a number of reasons for the new deals. Just speculating, they were not long term deals. One reading is that it secured us players in that position, preventing them walking away, leaving us with only one of perhaps no right backs at all. It does not necessarily follow that we intend to stick with them as our preferred options. You can level criticism at Hughes for the way he managed some things last season - although it is completely disproportionate from some quarters. But to criticise him for things that have not yet happened is not particularly fair.
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Post by s7oke on Jul 23, 2017 9:23:40 GMT
When you consider he saw a great player in Imbula it is not so hard. I think a lot of people saw a great player in Imbula, me included. Away at Chelsea towards the end of the 15/16 season he put in one of the best individual performances I've ever seen from a Stoke player - he absolutely ran the show. That just makes it all the more frustrating that he was so poor last year. There is a quality player in there somewhere, but it's looking less and less likely we'll ever see it in a Stoke shirt again. Couldn't agree more Think the imbula decline came as he was told to sit deeper and defend it's just not his game. He just can't defend but can certainly take players on and has a decent shot on him. In the games where he excelled he was more advanced.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2017 9:24:25 GMT
I've just said to Bayern, I can only assume he panicked after a budget meeting for this season. It's the only plausible explanation! If there's anything in that Mirror story of Hughes being given an initial pre-Arnie sale budget of a packet of crisps and a curly wurly, that would explain it! It's starting to look that way. Hopefully we're worrying for nothing but there are some signs re budget that concern me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:24:47 GMT
Why give them both new deals? It seems MH has been that horrified with Johnson that hopefully he's felt the need to. Why he couldn't see that last season I do not know. There could be a number of reasons for the new deals. Just speculating, they were not long term deals. One reading is that it secured us players in that position, preventing them walking away, leaving us with only one of perhaps no right backs at all. It does not necessarily follow that we intend to stick with them as our preferred options. You can level criticism at Hughes for the way he managed some things last season - although it is completely disproportionate from some quarters. But to criticise him for things that have not yet happened is not particularly fair. He has created this mess, of course it's fair. If Glen Johnson is still at this football club and Phil Bardsley isn't come September then he deserves to be hammered.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2017 9:25:58 GMT
A reason for keeping both Johnson and Bardsley could be as simple as LMH can't see them being able to play more than 40 games between them, and he also wants to blood young Edwards in. Hopefully Edwards is ready next season and we could keep Bards as back up and let Johnson go.
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Post by walrus on Jul 23, 2017 9:27:29 GMT
I think a lot of people saw a great player in Imbula, me included. Away at Chelsea towards the end of the 15/16 season he put in one of the best individual performances I've ever seen from a Stoke player - he absolutely ran the show. That just makes it all the more frustrating that he was so poor last year. There is a quality player in there somewhere, but it's looking less and less likely we'll ever see it in a Stoke shirt again. Couldn't agree more Think the imbula decline came as he was told to sit deeper and defend it's just not his game. He just can't defend but can certainly take players on and has a decent shot on him. In the games where he excelled he was more advanced. Agreed - the few times he looked reasonable last season (Burnley at home springs to mind) he was allowed to play a freer and more advanced role.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:27:40 GMT
A reason for keeping both Johnson and Bardsley could be as simple as LMH can't see them being able to play more than 40 games between them, and he also wants to blood young Edwards in. Hopefully Edwards is ready next season and we could keep Bards as back up and let Johnson go. So why not give Edwards games last season so you know he's ready?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2017 9:31:40 GMT
A reason for keeping both Johnson and Bardsley could be as simple as LMH can't see them being able to play more than 40 games between them, and he also wants to blood young Edwards in. Hopefully Edwards is ready next season and we could keep Bards as back up and let Johnson go. So why not give Edwards games last season so you know he's ready? Wasn't last season his break through? A player has to show he is ready to take the step first, and my impression is that Edwards came on in leaps and bounds last season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:33:24 GMT
So why not give Edwards games last season so you know he's ready? Wasn't last season his break through? A player has to show he is ready to take the step first, and my impression is that Edwards came on in leaps and bounds last season. So we couldn't play him? He got on the bench around December didn't he? From that moment he should have played a game or two.
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Post by pyrus on Jul 23, 2017 9:36:35 GMT
There could be a number of reasons for the new deals. Just speculating, they were not long term deals. One reading is that it secured us players in that position, preventing them walking away, leaving us with only one of perhaps no right backs at all. It does not necessarily follow that we intend to stick with them as our preferred options. You can level criticism at Hughes for the way he managed some things last season - although it is completely disproportionate from some quarters. But to criticise him for things that have not yet happened is not particularly fair. He has created this mess, of course it's fair. If Glen Johnson is still at this football club and Phil Bardsley isn't come September then he deserves to be hammered. Well it wasn't really a mess when he created it. Johnson was an excellent purchase and Beardsley also. Johnson's form dipped last season although he started well enough. This window is the first opportunity the club has had to deal with it. I accept that we need to sort that position out and that Hughes could have been a bit more aware of the aging players in that position, but until the window is over, I do think it is too soon to hammer him over it.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 23, 2017 9:39:07 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:41:38 GMT
He has created this mess, of course it's fair. If Glen Johnson is still at this football club and Phil Bardsley isn't come September then he deserves to be hammered. Well it wasn't really a mess when he created it. Johnson was an excellent purchase and Beardsley also. Johnson's form dipped last season although he started well enough. This window is the first opportunity the club has had to deal with it. I accept that we need to sort that position out and that Hughes could have been a bit more aware of the aging players in that position, but until the window is over, I do think it is too soon to hammer him over it. He created it in April! Johnson should never have been given a new contract.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2017 9:46:57 GMT
Wasn't last season his break through? A player has to show he is ready to take the step first, and my impression is that Edwards came on in leaps and bounds last season. So we couldn't play him? He got on the bench around December didn't he? From that moment he should have played a game or two. He probably should have, but as we never were able to win anything comfortably I guess LMH chose the safe option instead.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2017 9:50:21 GMT
So we couldn't play him? He got on the bench around December didn't he? From that moment he should have played a game or two. He probably should have, but as we never were able to win anything comfortably I guess LMH chose the safe option instead. The safe option was Diouf. That should have been the moment when the number one priority this summer became a right back.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 23, 2017 10:02:57 GMT
If Johnson stays fit he'll be up there for player of the season and in an England squad or two if there are injuries elsewhere.
There I've said it. Fire away.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Jul 23, 2017 10:09:24 GMT
If Johnson stays fit he'll be up there for player of the season and in an England squad or two if there are injuries elsewhere. There I've said it. Fire away. I like your optimism
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