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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 16:54:48 GMT
Had one, but never played him. Who? Bony, I assumed?
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Post by alster on Jul 18, 2017 16:56:08 GMT
Who? You can't mean Bony. He couldn't have been any less aggressive One of the strongest and most physical players in the league. I'd agree we didn't use Bony as much as we should have but I'd neither describe him as aggressive or a targetman plus even a targetman needs mobility in this league.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 16:56:25 GMT
Usually when they say "Who?" to the obvious it's followed by a "Oh my god wowwww Bony was so badddd how can you think that he's shiteee"
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 18, 2017 16:56:40 GMT
Bony was a cart horse that couldn't be arsed not sure about anything else.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 16:56:56 GMT
One of the strongest and most physical players in the league. I'd agree we didn't use Bony as much as we should have but I'd neither describe him as aggressive or a targetman plus even a targetman needs mobility in this league. He's probably one of the best target men I've seen in this league next to Didier Drogba.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 18, 2017 16:59:14 GMT
Usually when they say "Who?" to the obvious it's followed by a "Oh my god wowwww Bony was so badddd how can you think that he's shiteee" I'd usually agree with the above but it does have some substance in relation to Bony, the guy was one of the biggest flops I've seen in a Stoke shirt since Dave Kitson.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 16:59:41 GMT
Usually when they say "Who?" to the obvious it's followed by a "Oh my god wowwww Bony was so badddd how can you think that he's shiteee" I'd usually agree with the above but it does have some substance in relation to Bony, the guy was one of the biggest flops I've seen in a Stoke shirt since Dave Kitson. Wasn't even given a chance.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 18, 2017 17:02:15 GMT
I'd agree we didn't use Bony as much as we should have but I'd neither describe him as aggressive or a targetman plus even a targetman needs mobility in this league. He's probably one of the best target men I've seen in this league next to Didier Drogba. Wow. Bony and Drogba are you even comparing them two? Wow! Just Wow! Drogba was one of the best Strikers in the world if not THE BEST, of my generation. Bony had a good spell at Swansea and in a shit Dutch league. He flopped at City and couldn't be arsed for Stoke.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 18, 2017 17:02:23 GMT
Good player, but I'm not sure we need him. If he's coming as a winger, you risk upsetting Ramadan, and there's no point spending minimum £15m on a number 10 when we already have one. Why does he upset Ramadan? Chadli played played center, left and right for WBA. Maybe he upset Shaq also? He scored 4 of his 5 goals and assisted 2 from center position. Maybe he is a option/replacement for Joe Allen/Bojan? Maybe for all attacking positions? Stats from whoscored.com
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 18, 2017 17:02:37 GMT
I'd usually agree with the above but it does have some substance in relation to Bony, the guy was one of the biggest flops I've seen in a Stoke shirt since Dave Kitson. Wasn't even given a chance. Did you ever see Keith Scott or Dave la bamber
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Post by alster on Jul 18, 2017 17:02:54 GMT
I'd agree we didn't use Bony as much as we should have but I'd neither describe him as aggressive or a targetman plus even a targetman needs mobility in this league. He's probably one of the best target men I've seen in this league next to Didier Drogba. You've got to be joking he's fairly poor in the air.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:03:35 GMT
He's probably one of the best target men I've seen in this league next to Didier Drogba. Wow. Bony and Drogba are you even comparing them two? Wow! Just Wow! Drogba was one of the best Strikers in the world if not THE BEST, of my generation. Bony had a good spell at Swansea and in a shit Dutch league. He flopped at City and couldn't be arsed for Stoke. Yeah I'm comparing them as target men. Bony being the best I've seen in the league next to Drogba.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:04:06 GMT
He's probably one of the best target men I've seen in this league next to Didier Drogba. You've got to be joking he's fairly poor in the air. Not poor in the air at all, and it's not all about that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 18, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
You've got to be joking he's fairly poor in the air. Not poor in the air at all, and it's not all about that. He didn't look remotely like the player he did at Swansea. He wasn't as mobile, didn't look as interested, didn't link the play as well, didn't get into good positions. We signed the ghost of him.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 17:08:04 GMT
Good player, and I wouldn't mind seeing him here at all actually. But if he did sign and he replaced Arnie, what about Sobhi? If I were him, I'd wanna be playing for games, though good to have competition between him and Chadli. Would WBA deal with us again? If the price is right, I think they would
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 18, 2017 17:08:51 GMT
Wow. Bony and Drogba are you even comparing them two? Wow! Just Wow! Drogba was one of the best Strikers in the world if not THE BEST, of my generation. Bony had a good spell at Swansea and in a shit Dutch league. He flopped at City and couldn't be arsed for Stoke. Yeah I'm comparing them as target men. Bony being the best I've seen in the league next to Drogba. Very strange comparison, not sure how you've formed that opinion. There are only a select few players that have played in the premier league that to me fall under the "special" category. Drogba was a target man, a finisher, a poacher, a work horse and also a special, technically gifted player. Bony had the physical attributes to be good, but has never even shown glimpses of being "special". It's like comparing a Ford KA to a Bentley Continental. Completely different class.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:09:24 GMT
Not poor in the air at all, and it's not all about that. He didn't look remotely like the player he did at Swansea. He wasn't as mobile, didn't look as interested, didn't link the play as well, didn't get into good positions. We signed the ghost of him. He was unfit when he came, then we gave him literally nothing to prove his worth. Then people just assume he's wank over very limited time. This is why people said Imbula was the next best thing after his first game for us. Not clever thinking.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:10:15 GMT
Yeah I'm comparing them as target men. Bony being the best I've seen in the league next to Drogba. Very strange comparison, not sure how you've formed that opinion. There are only a select few players that have played in the premier league that to me fall under the "special" category. Drogba was a target man, a finisher, a poacher, a work horse and also technically gifted. Bony had the physical attributes but he is nowhere near the same calibre of player. It's like comparing a Ford KA to a Bentley Continental. You're making out like I'm comparing them as equal as a full package. Bony as a target man was the best I've seen since Drogba. Drogba had it all though.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 18, 2017 17:11:46 GMT
Imbula out and Chadli in.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 18, 2017 17:14:21 GMT
Very strange comparison, not sure how you've formed that opinion. There are only a select few players that have played in the premier league that to me fall under the "special" category. Drogba was a target man, a finisher, a poacher, a work horse and also technically gifted. Bony had the physical attributes but he is nowhere near the same calibre of player. It's like comparing a Ford KA to a Bentley Continental. You're making out like I'm comparing them as equal as a full package. Bony as a target man was the best I've seen since Drogba. Drogba had it all though. A target man is the general term for a front man who can command the front line and has good aerial traits right? Someone who can hold up play, find team mates, hassle defenders, scores goals when the ball is delivered from out wide. So surely how well he converts chances, his positional sense, his conversion rate etc etc all class as how well he performs as the 'target man'.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:18:06 GMT
You're making out like I'm comparing them as equal as a full package. Bony as a target man was the best I've seen since Drogba. Drogba had it all though. A target man is the general term for a front man who can command the front line and has good aerial traits right? Someone who can hold up play, find team mates, hassle defenders, scores goals when the ball is delivered from out wide. So surely how well he converts chances, his positional sense, his conversion rate etc etc all class as how well he performs as the 'target man'. He holds up play very well, uses his strength effectively, scores goals from his positioning, brings people into play from his aerial traits and strength. Bony does this just like Drogba. Drogba could play how he wanted though. He was quick, fantastic touch and can run in behind. Overall a much better player, but when it comes to operating as a target man I would put Bony up there.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 18, 2017 17:19:07 GMT
Personally I think we do need to monitor this situation whilst seeing how Ramadan, Verlinden and N'Goy get on during pre-season. Its a loss to see Arnie go but we've really got to see if those guys can sink or swim before we shell out on a new winger.
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Post by alster on Jul 18, 2017 17:19:58 GMT
You've got to be joking he's fairly poor in the air. Not poor in the air at all, and it's not all about that. His hold up play is good but he doesn't dominate centre halves aerially, IMO when you talk of a targetman your talking about a player that can lead the line on his own in a team playing direct football. I don't know where you've seen Bony doing this well but it certainly isn't in England. It simply isn't the style played by Swansea when he was there and thats the only place he's been any use over here. I don't like Allen in the 10 either but I'm still mystified why Hughes fucked about with it when he did as we were on our best run of form and had scored more goals than in any spell before or after.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:21:19 GMT
Not poor in the air at all, and it's not all about that. His hold up play is good but he doesn't dominate centre halves aerially, IMO when you talk of a targetman your talking about a player that can lead the line on his own in a team playing direct football. I don't know where you've seen Bony doing this well but it certainly isn't in England. It simply isn't the style played by Swansea when he was there and thats the only place he's been any use over here. I don't like Allen in the 10 either but I'm still mystified why Hughes fucked about with it when he did as we were on our best run of form and had scored more goals than in any spell before or after. In England and in Holland.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:21:42 GMT
Good player, but I'm not sure we need him. If he's coming as a winger, you risk upsetting Ramadan, and there's no point spending minimum £15m on a number 10 when we already have one. Why does he upset Ramadan? Chadli played played center, left and right for WBA. Maybe he upset Shaq also? He scored 4 of his 5 goals and assisted 2 from center position. Maybe he is a option/replacement for Joe Allen/Bojan? Maybe for all attacking positions? Stats from whoscored.comI always assumed he was a left winger/number 10. fair enough if not. He doesnt start ahead of Shaq on the right. In that case, I don't think there's much point buying an expensive replacement for a position where Bojan is already proven quality. Joe Allen isn't an attacking midfielder.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 17:22:03 GMT
Isn't the consensus that his best games in England have come as a number 10? Oh for God sake.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 17:22:46 GMT
Terrible "replacement" for arnie If that's who we are aiming for , I might aswell cut up my season ticket
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Post by alster on Jul 18, 2017 17:23:47 GMT
His hold up play is good but he doesn't dominate centre halves aerially, IMO when you talk of a targetman your talking about a player that can lead the line on his own in a team playing direct football. I don't know where you've seen Bony doing this well but it certainly isn't in England. It simply isn't the style played by Swansea when he was there and thats the only place he's been any use over here. I don't like Allen in the 10 either but I'm still mystified why Hughes fucked about with it when he did as we were on our best run of form and had scored more goals than in any spell before or after. In England and in Holland. Fucking hell everybody looks good in Holland even Jose Altidore.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:25 GMT
That shithouse Pulis would be pulling Petes dong until 31 August .....
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:37 GMT
Fair play. I'll agree to disagree. I can still think of a number of PL target men I'd put above Bony though.
Ibrahimovic. Benteke. Lukaku. Llorente. Rondon. Giroud. Diego Costa. Harry Kane.
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