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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 12, 2017 8:22:38 GMT
Patience is a virtue mate. Things will look much brighter in the next couple of weeks. I think we all want the same outcome but the overreaction shown by some on here is ridiculous. I still don't think its over reaction the club are not showing themselves in a positive light its important they do so for everybody's confidence. Why should the club put their cards on the table for all and sundry to see? Would you if you were the management team because I know I wouldn't? I'd much prefer to shock the football world with a Shaqiri type signing and sit back in my chair with a large smile (and scotch) on my face. 😉
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:23:03 GMT
I love watching Arnie but we need to get used to selling players instead of nurturing them into retirement let their legs go on somebody else's pitch. I was being sarcastic mate.... They all have their price its the way it should be. Reinvest everything and some more in emerging talent and we won't go far wrong.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 8:27:05 GMT
I was being sarcastic mate.... They all have their price its the way it should be. Reinvest everything and some more in emerging talent and we won't go far wrong. Are you just a quote bank or something?
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:27:15 GMT
I still don't think its over reaction the club are not showing themselves in a positive light its important they do so for everybody's confidence. Why should the club put their cards on the table for all and sundry to see? Would you if you were the management team because I know I wouldn't? I'd much prefer to shock the football world with a Shaqiri type signing and sit back in my chair with a large from (and scotch). 😉 Feel good factor is important in football, its the same in the transfer market as it is on the pitch getting your nose in front then going into your shell and hopefully just doing enough to win the game doesn't bring the feel good factor, neither does being miserly and slow in the market.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 12, 2017 8:27:30 GMT
Not really. Looks like we're about to lose our best player. No idea if/who we're going to replace him with. We've also lost a stalwart of the dressing room. We've bought in an 18yo prospect and probably a CH who should have been signed up 2 weeks ago. At the moment I'm not enthused. And some people moan that we have a squad that's hardly got any young players in it. You can't please everyone. So it's taken 2 weeks to sign Indi?! Personally I think that you're just trying to knock the management team, as nobody actually knows anything about what was agreed with Porto.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:28:19 GMT
They all have their price its the way it should be. Reinvest everything and some more in emerging talent and we won't go far wrong. Are you just a quote bank or something? Why who an I quoting?
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Post by Waggy on Jul 12, 2017 8:28:27 GMT
No, im far too excited to be feeling calm. Up the potters, this is going to be a great season
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 8:29:38 GMT
Are you just a quote bank or something? Why who an I quoting? You completely missed both my points and replied with some uplifting quote?
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:31:54 GMT
You completely missed both my points and replied with some uplifting quote? Thats quite out of character for me I don't think I've done uplifting before you'll have to give me chance to get the hang of it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 8:34:49 GMT
Definitely not calm. We had a poor season and even if Bruno does sign we are still a weaker squad with Walters and ARNIE leaving Stoke must splash the cash if they want to avoid playing in the championship next season because if they don't . We will end up there Personally I think we will but only on the right player, at the right price. We have to trust our management team to make the correct decision. I'm gutted that Arnie seems to be leaving but that's out of our control. It looks like he's going for the money, and if that's the case we have to move on. I think we may get another 4 in but time will tell I suppose. Your first paragraph sums up precisely why people are worried. What is that trust based on? When was the last time they managed that?
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:38:54 GMT
Personally I think we will but only on the right player, at the right price. We have to trust our management team to make the correct decision. I'm gutted that Arnie seems to be leaving but that's out of our control. It looks like he's going for the money, and if that's the case we have to move on. I think we may get another 4 in but time will tell I suppose. Your first paragraph sums up precisely why people are worried. What is that trust based on? When was the last time they managed that? Sobhi, Shaqiri, Allen, looks like BMI want any more?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 8:40:07 GMT
Your first paragraph sums up precisely why people are worried. What is that trust based on? When was the last time they managed that? Sobhi, Shaqiri, Allen, looks like BMI want any more? I wouldn't have Allen in that list and possibly not Shaqiri either. You're obviously happier with the last few windows than I am.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:40:26 GMT
I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face the business we do is not the problem. We don't do enough business.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 8:41:18 GMT
Sobhi, Shaqiri, Allen, looks like BMI want any more? I wouldn't have Allen in that list and possibly not Shaqiri either. You're obviously happier with the last few windows than I am. They're both worth more than we paid so are therefore sound investments.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 8:46:05 GMT
I wouldn't have Allen in that list and possibly not Shaqiri either. You're obviously happier with the last few windows than I am. They're both worth more than we paid so are therefore sound investments. Great. But this is football, not the antiques roadshow. We need players who we know how to use properly to maximise their impact on the pitch. We haven't really done that with Allen or, arguably, Shaqiri.
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Post by britvic72 on Jul 12, 2017 8:46:12 GMT
Losing Walters & possibly Whelan takes away some DNA that got results from pure hard work. Arnie is great on his day and a match winner with his goals and creativity.
However football always moves on and we have to have faith that we will bring in better replacements and we desperately need them after the last 2 campaigns. We won't get answers today but need players in who improve us before the season kicks off or at worst before the end of August as January may be too late.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 12, 2017 8:46:12 GMT
Personally I think we will but only on the right player, at the right price. We have to trust our management team to make the correct decision. I'm gutted that Arnie seems to be leaving but that's out of our control. It looks like he's going for the money, and if that's the case we have to move on. I think we may get another 4 in but time will tell I suppose. Your first paragraph sums up precisely why people are worried. What is that trust based on? When was the last time they managed that? Look, we had a stagnant season last season and people were understandably concerned. My point is that not one of you has a clue what's going on behind the scenes at Stoke. Hughes and Coates are not fools and will bring in quality. If you have the same view at the end of August, that's fair enough but it's not even mid July and people are getting far too concerned at this stage. There are teams in a far worse position than Stoke, who are struggling to attract anyone. I think some on here are making comparisons to ourselves and Everton, which is quite frankly, ludicrous. Us supporters know where we need to strengthen, so don't you think Hughes and Coates don't too? They have far more football knowledge and experience than anyone on this board, so we need to let them get on with their job's instead of spouting negativity.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 8:51:42 GMT
Your first paragraph sums up precisely why people are worried. What is that trust based on? When was the last time they managed that? Look, we had a stagnant season last season and people were understandably concerned. My point is that not one of you has a clue what's going on behind the scenes at Stoke. Hughes and Coates are not fools and will bring in quality. If you have the same view at the end of August, that's fair enough but it's not even mid July and people are getting far too concerned at this stage. There are teams in a far worse position than Stoke, who are struggling to attract anyone. I think some on here are making comparisons to ourselves and Everton, which is quite frankly, ludicrous. Us supporters know where we need to strengthen, so don't you think Hughes and Coates don't too? They have far more football knowledge and experience than anyone on this board, so we need to let them get on with their job's instead of spouting negativity. 1) It's a stagnant 18 months 2) They haven't brought in quality, or have brought it in and then misused it, in each of the last 3-4 windows, so youre asking for a considerable leap of faith to suggest it's suddenly going to be ok. 3) If Hughes knows where we need to strengthen, why has he decided the full backs are fine and dandy? You're right, it's early days and plenty of time left, but you can only go on the evidence in front of us and recent history and that's why people are worried.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 9:19:47 GMT
1) Agree totally. 2) The problem is the number of signings haven't been adequate and old players have been retained in far too great a number. The quality generally hasn't been at all bad but you'll get no argument from me that its been misused. 3) They've bought in a young full back with England international recognition in all his age groups. The RB thing is a complete clusterfuck.
We're right to be worried we're not doing enough and what we are doing is being done too slowly. Its not all flowers and ponies but in your annoyance at the real issues you're going slash and burn on everything.
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Post by fca47 on Jul 12, 2017 9:20:51 GMT
Not improved the side after a poor season, so there isn't anything to get that excited about. But at least we are more or less back to where we startted last season. Hear what you are saying about not improving the side, but I genuinely believe Bruno on a contract will be a better player than Bruno on a loan, it shows commitment from us and also tells him, and indeed the rest of the squad that he is here for the long haul...If you thought he was good last season, watch him next season... Not being sarcastic, but you could have said that about Erik's new contract, but we know what happened there.
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Post by Gods on Jul 12, 2017 9:21:11 GMT
Not really. Looks like we're about to lose our best player. No idea if/who we're going to replace him with. We've also lost a stalwart of the dressing room. We've bought in an 18yo prospect and probably a CH who should have been signed up 2 weeks ago. At the moment I'm not enthused. And some people moan that we have a squad that's hardly got any young players in it. You can't please everyone. So it's taken 2 weeks to sign Indi?! Personally I think that you're just trying to knock the management team, as nobody actually knows anything about what was agreed with Porto. We haven't signed Indi according to the Sentinel. We've been mis-firing for 18 months now, it wouldn't take a lot to nudge us over the edge so folks are understandably jumpy. Agreed we will see how the land lies when the season kicks off but those opening 8 games are pretty terrifying, momentum is a precious thing and if we don't have any going in to November we are probably dead in the water.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 12, 2017 9:22:35 GMT
We are going to be ok don't worry! Living in Brighton, I follow the news at BHA as well and if you think we are struggling to bring in new blood, take a look at them. They can't seem to get anybody at all on board and currently will be going into next season with pretty much the team that got them promoted. Out of that team there are probably only 4 in the squad who can make the step up. It should be tougher for them, they're unestablished. We haven't got that excuse.
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 12, 2017 9:24:51 GMT
Not improved the side after a poor season, so there isn't anything to get that excited about. But at least we are more or less back to where we startted last season. The transfer window is still well and truly open, so wait until it's closed before making assumptions. We can make the assumption that the later you leave your dealings in the transfer windows the less pre-season training you get as a whole squad together and the more time at the beginning of the season it takes us to get the squad to gel together.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 12, 2017 9:35:15 GMT
I'm never calmer. Just various levels of on edge!
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jul 12, 2017 9:43:46 GMT
We are going to be ok don't worry! Living in Brighton, I follow the news at BHA as well and if you think we are struggling to bring in new blood, take a look at them. They can't seem to get anybody at all on board and currently will be going into next season with pretty much the team that got them promoted. Out of that team there are probably only 4 in the squad who can make the step up. It should be tougher for them, they're unestablished. We haven't got that excuse. Absolutely agree with that. I think the point I was trying to make is that however frustrating it seems to us, there will still be clubs worse than us this next season and thus, we won't be getting relegated even if we don't sign anyone. I would much prefer us to strengthen though of course, as we should be looking up not down.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 9:46:52 GMT
It should be tougher for them, they're unestablished. We haven't got that excuse. Absolutely agree with that. I think the point I was trying to make is that however frustrating it seems to us, there will still be clubs worse than us this next season and thus, we won't be getting relegated even if we don't sign anyone. I would much prefer us to strengthen though of course, as we should be looking up not down. We shouldn't be getting relegated but if Hughes continues his clusterfuck management who knows. Its certainly a concern for me no matter what our transfer activity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:54:10 GMT
Hear what you are saying about not improving the side, but I genuinely believe Bruno on a contract will be a better player than Bruno on a loan, it shows commitment from us and also tells him, and indeed the rest of the squad that he is here for the long haul...If you thought he was good last season, watch him next season... Not being sarcastic, but you could have said that about Erik's new contract, but we know what happened there. LOL... Good point well made. I really think we will see a much better BMI once he knows he is in the fold permanently.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 9:59:05 GMT
They're both worth more than we paid so are therefore sound investments. Great. But this is football, not the antiques roadshow. We need players who we know how to use properly to maximise their impact on the pitch. We haven't really done that with Allen or, arguably, Shaqiri. Maybe its nothing to do with the players?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 10:05:08 GMT
Great. But this is football, not the antiques roadshow. We need players who we know how to use properly to maximise their impact on the pitch. We haven't really done that with Allen or, arguably, Shaqiri. Maybe its nothing to do with the players? That's part of my point. In some cases it is, in some it isn't, but FLO was saying we need to trust the management to bring in the right players at the right time, and my argument was that the management team hasn't really shown it can do that for quite some time now. It's hard to blindly trust them when they've been getting it wrong for so long, whether that's in deciding Imbula was worth breaking the transfer record for or deciding Joe Allen was our creative muse to play behind the striker.
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Post by alster on Jul 12, 2017 10:12:29 GMT
Maybe its nothing to do with the players? That's part of my point. In some cases it is, in some it isn't, but FLO was saying we need to trust the management to bring in the right players at the right time, and my argument was that the management team hasn't really shown it can do that for quite some time now. It's hard to blindly trust them when they've been getting it wrong for so long, whether that's in deciding Imbula was worth breaking the transfer record for or deciding Joe Allen was our creative muse to play behind the striker. I've got far less qualms with the players they've bought in than the way they've been used and the way the game has been approached in the last 18 months. I think Hughes has become much more cautious and conservative over that period and it certainly hasn't paid dividends in terms of results or league position or indeed entertaining us fans.
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