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Post by partickpotter on Aug 28, 2017 6:29:40 GMT
The Guardian editorial on this decision makes for interesting reading. They think Labour = Soft Brexit is a good thing for the party. I'm not convinced. UKIP was big in the Labour heartlands for a reason. Something the metropolitan elite like to forget. I can't help feeling there is another GE in the offing particularly if Labour, bringing on board some Tory Remoaners, defeat some important legislation. Labour's new found clarity could well be decisive in another election. May may yet get the endorsement she sought albeit belatedly.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2017 13:36:08 GMT
The Guardian editorial on this decision makes for interesting reading. They think Labour = Soft Brexit is a good thing for the party. I'm not convinced. UKIP was big in the Labour heartlands for a reason. Something the metropolitan elite like to forget. I can't help feeling there is another GE in the offing particularly if Labour, bringing on board some Tory Remoaners, defeat some important legislation. Labour's new found clarity could well be decisive in another election. May may yet get the endorsement she sought albeit belatedly. The thing is how long will this Labour stance on Brexit last, it's only a few months since they had end freedom of movement. The actual truth is that there is very little difference between this Labour soft brexit and what the tories are actually proposing apart from the fact if this policy remains and the government holds until we leave in 2019 then Labour will fight the election on rejoining the single market / customs union to leave again 2 years later, genius....... There are signs the EU was starting to come under pressure from remaining members to start trade talks, the end game is getting closer as it has always been it is really all abiut how much does the EU want for a free trade agreement.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2017 15:37:25 GMT
The Guardian editorial on this decision makes for interesting reading. They think Labour = Soft Brexit is a good thing for the party. I'm not convinced. UKIP was big in the Labour heartlands for a reason. Something the metropolitan elite like to forget. I can't help feeling there is another GE in the offing particularly if Labour, bringing on board some Tory Remoaners, defeat some important legislation. Labour's new found clarity could well be decisive in another election. May may yet get the endorsement she sought albeit belatedly. It's amazing to me that the media haven't made more of this. They were all over any U-turn made by May.
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Post by 3putts on Aug 29, 2017 16:43:38 GMT
if labour go all out to remain in the eu they would win by a landslide. the british people were conned by farage and co and Cameron did fuck all about it. now we are in a right mess the £ is sinking on a daily basis why those in charge discuss the bongs of bigben pissed off
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2017 18:15:22 GMT
if labour go all out to remain in the eu they would win by a landslide. the british people were conned by farage and co and Cameron did fuck all about it. now we are in a right mess the £ is sinking on a daily basis why those in charge discuss the bongs of bigben pissed off Why didn't they before the election, then? Have a stance and stick with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 18:41:54 GMT
Corbyn's recent Uturn is all down to being heavily leaned on by a huge percentage of new labour mp's in the party and oldies like Blair ....and large corporations.
Similar is happening in the Tory party
Majority of Westminster pushing all out to stay in
Totally blanking the referendum vote result
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 19:54:44 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 25, 2017 12:29:48 GMT
So Labour are officially NOT discussing Brexit at their conference In a wonderfully Socialist process members were told what topics to put on the agenda and Brexit wasn't a favourite. A "potentially time-consuming cul-de-sac" is how Momentum advised the voters against backing it.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 25, 2017 12:38:52 GMT
So Labour are officially NOT discussing Brexit at their conference In a wonderfully Socialist process members were told what topics to put on the agenda and Brexit wasn't a favourite. A "potentially time-consuming cul-de-sac" is how Momentum advised the voters against backing it. That's them pesky Islington leftist luvvies trying to confuse us with big words Cul de sac sounds a bit european for my liking In my day we had good old dead ends
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 13:16:21 GMT
Labour don't want to release their view on Brexit because their London-based elite are Remainers but their core working class voters want Brexit.
They're shit scared of pissing off any potential voters so they're doing their best to keep everyone happy.
Add this to John McDonnell's conference speech today and you can now be sure that this current Labour Party are the looniest fuckers to be in opposition for decades - it not ever.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 25, 2017 13:27:41 GMT
Labour don't want to release their view on Brexit because their London-based elite are Remainers but their core working class voters want Brexit. They're shit scared of pissing off any potential voters so they're doing their best to keep everyone happy. Add this to John McDonnell's conference speech today and you can now be sure that this current Labour Party are the looniest fuckers to be in opposition for decades - it not ever. Is that the speech where he promised rich people would pay for everything but doesn't give any costings and they would nationalise water, rail, energy etc but use a 'market' price that would be decided by Parliament?
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Post by robstokie on Sept 25, 2017 18:06:39 GMT
Labour don't want to release their view on Brexit because their London-based elite are Remainers but their core working class voters want Brexit. They're shit scared of pissing off any potential voters so they're doing their best to keep everyone happy. Add this to John McDonnell's conference speech today and you can now be sure that this current Labour Party are the looniest fuckers to be in opposition for decades - it not ever. Is that the speech where he promised rich people would pay for everything but doesn't give any costings and they would nationalise water, rail, energy etc but use a 'market' price that would be decided by Parliament? What's their plan when anyone who owns a business and therefore creates jobs decides either to fuck off abroad or go bust because The old Commie wants to tax them through the nose. And just HOW will they support those left on the scrap-heap or left in actual poverty due to hyperinflation bought about by a combination of less business competition, less stock being produced and Corbyns quantative easing (printing off money) reducing the value of money? I'm no economist, but I suspect the shit will hit the fan...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 12, 2017 13:57:41 GMT
Corbyn voted Remain and would do again ....
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 12, 2017 15:14:11 GMT
Corbyn voted Remain and would do again .... Surprised not one little iota the guy is nothing short of a fraud Campaigns against the European Union all his political life Come the moment bottles it and votes to remain Remember comrade jeeza your ment to be for the many not the few The many voted leave If I was a student I wouldn't trust that snake oil salesman one little bit
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 12, 2017 15:56:22 GMT
Corbyn voted Remain and would do again .... I just hope there isn't a second referendum so he has the chance to prove it. Nothing would surprise me, though.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 12, 2017 16:44:54 GMT
Is that the speech where he promised rich people would pay for everything but doesn't give any costings and they would nationalise water, rail, energy etc but use a 'market' price that would be decided by Parliament? What's their plan when anyone who owns a business and therefore creates jobs decides either to fuck off abroad or go bust because The old Commie wants to tax them through the nose. And just HOW will they support those left on the scrap-heap or left in actual poverty due to hyperinflation bought about by a combination of less business competition, less stock being produced and Corbyns quantative easing (printing off money) reducing the value of money? I'm no economist, but I suspect the shit will hit the fan... Project Fear.
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Post by manmarking on Oct 12, 2017 16:51:06 GMT
Is that the speech where he promised rich people would pay for everything but doesn't give any costings and they would nationalise water, rail, energy etc but use a 'market' price that would be decided by Parliament? What's their plan when anyone who owns a business and therefore creates jobs decides either to fuck off abroad or go bust because The old Commie wants to tax them through the nose. And just HOW will they support those left on the scrap-heap or left in actual poverty due to hyperinflation bought about by a combination of less business competition, less stock being produced and Corbyns quantative easing (printing off money) reducing the value of money? I'm no economist, but I suspect the shit will hit the fan... Yeah, cheers mate, we gathered that bit
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 12, 2017 17:08:55 GMT
Doesn't seem to be a lot of Labour support on this forum.
Are we a Conservative city?
I don't know much about politics.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 12, 2017 17:39:59 GMT
Doesn't seem to be a lot of Labour support on this forum. Are we a Conservative city? I don't know much about politics. Stoke South is Conservative Speaking of local MP's I caught Gareth Snell asking a question the other day at PMQ's.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 12, 2017 22:26:56 GMT
Labours stance on Brexit is stand well back and watch as the Tories make more and more of a balls up of the whole thing, along with everything else they are fucking up with their in-fighting and self serving bullshit politics.
The longer this bollocks goes on the stronger Labour look and Corbyn knows it.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 13, 2017 2:22:36 GMT
Labour don't want to release their view on Brexit because their London-based elite are Remainers but their core working class voters want Brexit. They're shit scared of pissing off any potential voters so they're doing their best to keep everyone happy. Add this to John McDonnell's conference speech today and you can now be sure that this current Labour Party are the looniest fuckers to be in opposition for decades - it not ever. Is that the speech where he promised rich people would pay for everything but doesn't give any costings and they would nationalise water, rail, energy etc but use a 'market' price that would be decided by Parliament? I thinks it's the same plan Mugabe used in Zimbabwe
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Post by salopstick on Oct 13, 2017 6:08:56 GMT
Is that the speech where he promised rich people would pay for everything but doesn't give any costings and they would nationalise water, rail, energy etc but use a 'market' price that would be decided by Parliament? I thinks it's the same plan Mugabe used in Zimbabwe But Robert had a mass of thugs waiting to commit violence to make sure everyone toes the line and keeps their opinions the same as mugabes Oh hang on ........
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 13, 2017 9:06:53 GMT
Other posts by Salopstick:
May will win a landslide in an election against Corbyn
There will be another general election in autumn 2017
Always bear this in mind when reading his thoughts on politics lol
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 13, 2017 9:18:01 GMT
The Guardian editorial on this decision makes for interesting reading. They think Labour = Soft Brexit is a good thing for the party. I'm not convinced. UKIP was big in the Labour heartlands for a reason. Something the metropolitan elite like to forget. I can't help feeling there is another GE in the offing particularly if Labour, bringing on board some Tory Remoaners, defeat some important legislation. Labour's new found clarity could well be decisive in another election. May may yet get the endorsement she sought albeit belatedly. I think there's a decent argument to be had that outlining something like a soft Brexit could win you more votes than you lose. Only the lunatic fringe of the Brexit movement recognise that leaving the EU and remaining in the customs union or common market is still carrying though the 'will of the people' i.e. we will no longer be a part of the EU. At the moment I think Labour are trying to commit to as little as possible on the subject - they are letting the Tories have enough rope to hang themselves.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 13, 2017 9:41:04 GMT
The Guardian editorial on this decision makes for interesting reading. They think Labour = Soft Brexit is a good thing for the party. I'm not convinced. UKIP was big in the Labour heartlands for a reason. Something the metropolitan elite like to forget. I can't help feeling there is another GE in the offing particularly if Labour, bringing on board some Tory Remoaners, defeat some important legislation. Labour's new found clarity could well be decisive in another election. May may yet get the endorsement she sought albeit belatedly. I think there's a decent argument to be had that outlining something like a soft Brexit could win you more votes than you lose. Only the lunatic fringe of the Brexit movement recognise that leaving the EU and remaining in the customs union or common market is still carrying though the 'will of the people' i.e. we will no longer be a part of the EU. At the moment I think Labour are trying to commit to as little as possible on the subject - they are letting the Tories have enough rope to hang themselves. Yes, stand back and watch the car crash unfold basically. Brexit has to go ahead otherwise the 'will of the people' will be ignored. Every party gets that. Labour recognises that it has to go along with leaving while trying to minimise the damage it will cause. That's basically their stance. Their actual policies will change accordingly to reflect that and put some distance between what they'd do in power and what the Tories are doing. Exactly the same as what Boris Johnson is doing (and trying to get sacked). Meanwhile, the Tory party is absolutely split between the hardline headbanger Brexiteers and the rest who are trying to do exactly what Labour are doing, with the added complication of being the ones in power who have to sort it out. It's almost tempting to feel sorry for them if it weren't for the fact that the prat Call me Dave got us into this mess, Strokemouth May dug us deeper into it with her snap election which "I didn't have enough time to prepare for" lol, so fuck em, sit back and break out the popcorn while they fuck this country up
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 13, 2017 17:44:43 GMT
Doesn't seem to be a lot of Labour support on this forum. Are we a Conservative city? I don't know much about politics. We're a labour city, although one of the 3 MPs is a tory and the council is (badly) ran by a collection of tories, independents and a ukip councillor I'm one of the few labour people on here, this site can be very right wing at times.
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Post by geekenny on Oct 13, 2017 17:55:22 GMT
Doesn't seem to be a lot of Labour support on this forum. Are we a Conservative city? I don't know much about politics. We're a labour city, although one of the 3 MPs is a tory and the council is (badly) ran by a collection of tories, independents and a ukip councillor I'm one of the few labour people on here, this site can be very right wing at times. Very interesting comment jonny... Who knows what is right wing and left wing these days.
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Post by felonious on Oct 13, 2017 21:28:39 GMT
What's their plan when anyone who owns a business and therefore creates jobs decides either to fuck off abroad or go bust because The old Commie wants to tax them through the nose. And just HOW will they support those left on the scrap-heap or left in actual poverty due to hyperinflation bought about by a combination of less business competition, less stock being produced and Corbyns quantative easing (printing off money) reducing the value of money? I'm no economist, but I suspect the shit will hit the fan... Yeah, cheers mate, we gathered that bit Is that the Royal we?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 13, 2017 21:42:33 GMT
Doesn't seem to be a lot of Labour support on this forum. Are we a Conservative city? I don't know much about politics. Most of the Right Wing posters don't live in Stoke mate. We all saw how the Tories destroyed this City in the 1980s. In 1979 50,000 in Stoke on Trent worked in the Pottery Industry..by 1990 less than 8,000 In 1979 we had 8 Collieries open mining coal (20,000 jobs) In 1990 we had none. We lost 10,000 jobs at Shelton Steel Works in the 1980s And yet according to the Oatcake EE Board 'Its all Labours fault' Brian Clough, Bill Shankly, Alex Ferguson,Peter Coates all Heroes of mine are/were Lifelong Labour supporters. Some of the Right Wing dross posted by some of the people on here sickens me. This once proud City has been destroyed by the Tories. And yet...'It's all Labours fault'. Labour have been in Office for 27 years out of the last 100..but... ITS ALL LABOURS FAULT.
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