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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2017 9:24:36 GMT
Labour traditionally stand for worker's rights therefore there is no question they should want no brexit |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 9:26:20 GMT
That's why I posed the question. What do Labour really think? I think they and others are outright lying to the public. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 9:31:30 GMT
Labour traditionally stand for worker's rights therefore there is no question they should want no brexit This I don't understand. How is encouraging a cheap labour supply good for worker's rights? It's fucked British working class people and fucked people who have come to Britain to be exploited by landlords and 'employers' not paying minimum wage! |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 11, 2017 9:40:18 GMT
Labour traditionally stand for worker's rights therefore there is no question they should want no brexit This I don't understand. How is encouraging a cheap labour supply good for worker's rights? It's fucked British working class people and fucked people who have come to Britain to be exploited by landlords and 'employers' not paying minimum wage! This by a mile. Labour just roll out the usual victim politics about banning zero hour contracts in the gig economy whereas May commissioned a report last year to be published today and will be calling for higher salaries and better rights for gig economy workers. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2017 10:14:48 GMT
Labour traditionally stand for worker's rights therefore there is no question they should want no brexit This I don't understand. How is encouraging a cheap labour supply good for worker's rights? It's fucked British working class people and fucked people who have come to Britain to be exploited by landlords and 'employers' not paying minimum wage! Health and safety, working time, paid holiday, parental rights, workplace conditions, dismissal rights, controlling competition to the enormous benefit of small businesses, tariff free exports and imports with the EU. All of the above are capable of being stripped away once we leave which will be awful for workers and good for the shareholders of the biggest companies. Wprkers in the EU are treated far better than in the vast majority of the rest of the world....have a think why. What you refer to (minimum wage, landlords) are all governed by us and not the EU. It is caused by our own government. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 10:24:07 GMT
This I don't understand. How is encouraging a cheap labour supply good for worker's rights? It's fucked British working class people and fucked people who have come to Britain to be exploited by landlords and 'employers' not paying minimum wage! Health and safety, working time, paid holiday, parental rights, workplace conditions, dismissal rights, controlling competition to the enormous benefit of small businesses, tariff free exports and imports with the EU. All of the above are capable of being stripped away once we leave which will be awful for workers and good for the shareholders of the biggest companies. Wprkers in the EU are treated far better than in the vast majority of the rest of the world....have a think why. What you refer to (minimum wage, landlords) are all governed by us and not the EU. It is caused by our own government. Have all those laws been made by the EU? Didn't we have any worker's rights before we joined? Surely people wouldn't stand for these rights being stripped away? My last point referred to EU immigrants exploiting African immigrants(and others)in places like car washes, etc. The person who told me said nobody dares say anything because they won't work again if they do. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 11, 2017 10:35:36 GMT
Health and safety, working time, paid holiday, parental rights, workplace conditions, dismissal rights, controlling competition to the enormous benefit of small businesses, tariff free exports and imports with the EU. All of the above are capable of being stripped away once we leave which will be awful for workers and good for the shareholders of the biggest companies. Wprkers in the EU are treated far better than in the vast majority of the rest of the world....have a think why. What you refer to (minimum wage, landlords) are all governed by us and not the EU. It is caused by our own government. Have all those laws been made by the EU? Didn't we have any worker's rights before we joined? Surely people wouldn't stand for these rights being stripped away? My last point referred to EU immigrants exploiting African immigrants(and others)in places like car washes, etc. The person who told me said nobody dares say anything because they won't work again if they do. The Great Repeal Bill would enshrine these mythical 'EU' workers rights into UK law overnight. If in the future these laws were to be changed they would have to be the debating and legislative procedure followed through the HoC as with any other law change. The scare stories about "the Tories" stripping away rights is totally false. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2017 10:36:59 GMT
Health and safety, working time, paid holiday, parental rights, workplace conditions, dismissal rights, controlling competition to the enormous benefit of small businesses, tariff free exports and imports with the EU. All of the above are capable of being stripped away once we leave which will be awful for workers and good for the shareholders of the biggest companies. Wprkers in the EU are treated far better than in the vast majority of the rest of the world....have a think why. What you refer to (minimum wage, landlords) are all governed by us and not the EU. It is caused by our own government. Have all those laws been made by the EU? Didn't we have any worker's rights before we joined? Surely people wouldn't stand for these rights being stripped away? My last point referred to EU immigrants exploiting African immigrants(and others)in places like car washes, etc. The person who told me said nobody dares say anything because they won't work again if they do. Yes the EU enshrines these basic protections so no UK government can strip them away. At the moment our laws go further than some of the EU legislation which is great, but do you want to risk them being removed and stripped away? Isn't it better to guarantee these at a basic level forever? People breaking the law (which is I think what you are saying) should be stopped but this isn't an area the EU legislate over. The EU is unquestionably good for workers. Compare it to the rest of the world and it is better here. I don't trust May or another Tpry not to burn the red tape (as many brexiteers have promised) and make, for example, building sites unsafe. Being in the EU stops this, whoever is in charge here. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2017 10:38:07 GMT
Have all those laws been made by the EU? Didn't we have any worker's rights before we joined? Surely people wouldn't stand for these rights being stripped away? My last point referred to EU immigrants exploiting African immigrants(and others)in places like car washes, etc. The person who told me said nobody dares say anything because they won't work again if they do. The Great Repeal Bill would enshrine these mythical 'EU' workers rights into UK law overnight. If in the future these laws were to be changed they would have to be the debating and legislative procedure followed through the HoC as with any other law change. The scare stories about "the Tories" stripping away rights is totally false. Exactly, these protections could be stripped away and that would be awful. Big businesses lobbying the government are more persuasive that a load of builders or factory workers. Why take that risk? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 11, 2017 10:51:29 GMT
The Great Repeal Bill would enshrine these mythical 'EU' workers rights into UK law overnight. If in the future these laws were to be changed they would have to be the debating and legislative procedure followed through the HoC as with any other law change. The scare stories about "the Tories" stripping away rights is totally false. Exactly, these protections could be stripped away and that would be awful. Big businesses lobbying the government are more persuasive that a load of builders or factory workers. Why take that risk? Exactly what? That you've exactly got the wrong end of the stick again? The protections can't be "stripped away" without a full HoC debate and process. That's how laws are created and modified in this country. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2017 11:35:10 GMT
Exactly, these protections could be stripped away and that would be awful. Big businesses lobbying the government are more persuasive that a load of builders or factory workers. Why take that risk? Exactly what? That you've exactly got the wrong end of the stick again? The protections can't be "stripped away" without a full HoC debate and process. That's how laws are created and modified in this country. But they can be stripped away, so its better to stop that chance. |
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Post by tuum on Jul 11, 2017 14:43:54 GMT
Exactly what? That you've exactly got the wrong end of the stick again? The protections can't be "stripped away" without a full HoC debate and process. That's how laws are created and modified in this country. But they can be stripped away, so its better to stop that chance. Mr. Oggy. It seems that you trust the Europeans more than you trust your elected representatives. Am I correct? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2017 14:54:49 GMT
But they can be stripped away, so its better to stop that chance. Mr. Oggy. It seems that you trust the Europeans more than you trust your elected representatives. Am I correct? Not necessarily. But when a law is set in stone (as with EU legislation I have mentioned above which I think is good) I would prefer it to stay that way than to risk somebody doing away with those laws which are for everyday working people. The Tories in particular represent employers and wealthy people and they will legislate for them, not the workers. I therefore would prefer certain laws to be untouchable, particularly as basic as certain health and safety or employee rights laws. |
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Post by rat on Jul 11, 2017 15:05:45 GMT
But they can be stripped away, so its better to stop that chance. Mr. Oggy. It seems that you trust the Europeans more than you trust your elected representatives. Am I correct? Dead right. These Tories represent the interests of capital , not 95% of the electorate . They will destroy the UK if they remain in office , brick by fucking brick . |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 11, 2017 17:49:26 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 13, 2017 22:58:56 GMT
Clear as mud....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 23:33:59 GMT
Corbyn will say whatever he thinks his new found electorate want to hear , he's an unprincipled Marxist god help us all if he's given the keys to the treasury. Richard Burgon last night on Question Time: He wanted university tuition fees scrapped public sector pay cap scrapped foreign aid budget maintained self employed receiving state funded sick pay self employed women receiving state funded maternity pay. In fact he was offering untold wealth to everyone. What's the famous Thatcher quote - "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend." Maybe but have you not noticed there is never a shortage of money when it comes to going to war. Whatever party is is pretending to govern us, |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 23:38:36 GMT
Exactly, these protections could be stripped away and that would be awful. Big businesses lobbying the government are more persuasive that a load of builders or factory workers. Why take that risk? Exactly what? That you've exactly got the wrong end of the stick again? The protections can't be "stripped away" without a full HoC debate and process. That's how laws are created and modified in this country. You are either a troll or very naive about how laws become statute in our Parliament |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 13, 2017 23:48:40 GMT
Exactly what? That you've exactly got the wrong end of the stick again? The protections can't be "stripped away" without a full HoC debate and process. That's how laws are created and modified in this country. You are either a troll or very naive about how laws become statute in our Parliament I'm all ears. How do we create laws? |
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Post by Timmypotter on Jul 14, 2017 2:47:56 GMT
Mr. Oggy. It seems that you trust the Europeans more than you trust your elected representatives. Am I correct? Dead right. These Tories represent the interests of capital , not 95% of the electorate . They will destroy the UK if they remain in office , brick by fucking brick . whereas the EU fights for the little guy. But wait..... That's not what the guardian thought a few years ago www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/08/lobbyists-european-parliament-brussels-corporate |
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Post by rat on Jul 14, 2017 3:13:05 GMT
What's unclear about any of that? More of Todgers bullshit. |
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Post by rat on Jul 14, 2017 3:14:52 GMT
You are either a troll or very naive about how laws become statute in our Parliament I'm all ears. How do we create laws?  Amateur . |
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Post by rat on Jul 14, 2017 3:16:00 GMT
Have you ever looked at the US system ? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 16, 2017 11:13:05 GMT
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Post by rat on Jul 16, 2017 11:45:16 GMT
You really are clutching at micro-straws here Todge  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 27, 2017 20:11:30 GMT
So it's official.
Labour U-turns over Brexit.
Labour's Brexit bod Unclear Starmer has said Labour would keep the UK in the EU single market and customs union for a "transitional period" after leaving the EU which would mean accepting the free movement of labour. Sir Keir said the transition would be "as short as possible but as long as necessary".
Labour manifesto; "Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union."
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 27, 2017 20:17:52 GMT
So it's official. Labour U-turns over Brexit. Labour's Brexit bod Unclear Starmer has said Labour would keep the UK in the EU single market and customs union for a "transitional period" after leaving the EU which would mean accepting the free movement of labour. Sir Keir said the transition would be "as short as possible but as long as necessary". Labour manifesto; "Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union." However cynical this policies inception, I think judging by the general election it'll be popular with a fair few voters. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 20:18:14 GMT
So it's official. Labour U-turns over Brexit. Labour's Brexit bod Unclear Starmer has said Labour would keep the UK in the EU single market and customs union for a "transitional period" after leaving the EU which would mean accepting the free movement of labour. Sir Keir said the transition would be "as short as possible but as long as necessary". Labour manifesto; "Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union." No surprise there then. And the "as long as necessary" would be conveniently and ambiguously open-ended to ensure continued free movement of labour.  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 27, 2017 20:26:49 GMT
So it's official. Labour U-turns over Brexit. Labour's Brexit bod Unclear Starmer has said Labour would keep the UK in the EU single market and customs union for a "transitional period" after leaving the EU which would mean accepting the free movement of labour. Sir Keir said the transition would be "as short as possible but as long as necessary". Labour manifesto; "Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union." Yet people from Stoke-on-Trent will still vote Labour. Corbyn never wanted free movement to end, and even said so before the referendum. Remember the "no upper level of immigration" quote? Changed his tune for the election , of course. Labour are shitting on the views of their core support, many of whom wanted control of immigration. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 27, 2017 20:29:41 GMT
So it's official. Labour U-turns over Brexit. Labour's Brexit bod Unclear Starmer has said Labour would keep the UK in the EU single market and customs union for a "transitional period" after leaving the EU which would mean accepting the free movement of labour. Sir Keir said the transition would be "as short as possible but as long as necessary". Labour manifesto; "Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union." No surprise there then. And the "as long as necessary" would be conveniently and ambiguously open-ended to ensure continued free movement of labour. In other words, get used to cheap labour and your towns and cities being completely transformed against your will. The elite never wanted Brexit, and will stop at nothing to render it meaningless. |
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