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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2017 16:56:47 GMT
I said this before the article. There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing ambition. But people like you and others have these very poor excuses like "look where we came from" "we're little old stoke" "our city is small" It's hilarious. Ambition is absolutely fine. Year on year improvement and winning a cup - bingo! Getting in the top-4 post Leicester winning the league when the top-7 have thrown an absolute fortune at their squads is just a pipe dream..... With the right management and backing from Coates we can progress as much as we like, there is no glass ceiling, and it has nothing at all to do with the size of a fucking city. We should keep progressing with the same ambition shown by Hudson and it should never stop.
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Post by werrington on Jul 3, 2017 16:56:54 GMT
You don't half talk some bollocks This is the same pattern of response I always get. If I replied with what you just put I get called an antagonist! If I'm talking bollocks explain to me why having that ambition is wrong? Explain to me why we can't progress. Instead of the same old boring responses! Mate there's nobody more ambitious than me in regards Stoke but cmon eh
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 3, 2017 16:57:30 GMT
They don't but that's the assumption many(including me)believe is happening Hold your horses mate and lead the charge on September 1st should people's fears be realised. I'll be the one launching the Pepperoni... Time will tell mate but the early signs are not the best
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2017 16:58:11 GMT
This is the same pattern of response I always get. If I replied with what you just put I get called an antagonist! If I'm talking bollocks explain to me why having that ambition is wrong? Explain to me why we can't progress. Instead of the same old boring responses! Mate there's nobody more ambitious than me in regards Stoke but cmon eh Well there's me, but apparently that ambition just becomes bollocks in some peoples eyes.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 3, 2017 16:58:24 GMT
I said this before the article. There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing ambition. But people like you and others have these very poor excuses like "look where we came from" "we're little old stoke" "our city is small" It's hilarious. Ambition is absolutely fine. Year on year improvement and winning a cup - bingo! Getting in the top-4 post Leicester winning the league when the top-7 have thrown an absolute fortune at their squads is just a pipe dream..... You've got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream... how you gonna make a dream come true?
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Post by bhp on Jul 3, 2017 16:59:31 GMT
We could spend £200 million and not get near the top 4 Yet Leicester can spend very little and win the league. Weird that. That was when the top 6 weren't as good as they are now, in a year most of them have hired world class managers and spent a serious amount of money. Leicester had momentum from the season before when they won a lot of games to miraculously stay up. The top 6 are a different animal since. As we've witnessed as this season is probably our worst against the top 6 teams since we've been in the top flight.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2017 16:59:57 GMT
Ambition is absolutely fine. Year on year improvement and winning a cup - bingo! Getting in the top-4 post Leicester winning the league when the top-7 have thrown an absolute fortune at their squads is just a pipe dream..... You've got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream... how you gonna make a dream come true? Exactly. How do you think all top athletes, businesses, clubs started? With a dream. It's people with the excuses that won't achieve anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:00:41 GMT
Ambition is absolutely fine. Year on year improvement and winning a cup - bingo! Getting in the top-4 post Leicester winning the league when the top-7 have thrown an absolute fortune at their squads is just a pipe dream..... With the right management and backing from Coates we can progress as much as we like, there is no glass ceiling, and it has nothing at all to do with the size of a fucking city. We should keep progressing with the same ambition shown by Hudson and it should never stop. You keep banging on about the size of the city yet no one else seems to be mentioning it?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 3, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
If Hughes came out tomorrow morning & said we're targetting the top four, then Coates got his transfer dong out & we spunked £250m before the start of the season, and we then failed to make the top four, the people on here now moaning about lack of ambition would be the first ones moaning about how we've wasted money & put the clubs future at risk, all the players are shit, the manager needs fucking off etc...
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2017 17:01:55 GMT
With the right management and backing from Coates we can progress as much as we like, there is no glass ceiling, and it has nothing at all to do with the size of a fucking city. We should keep progressing with the same ambition shown by Hudson and it should never stop. You keep banging on about the size of the city yet no one else seems to be mentioning it? It was one of the most hilarious excuses I've ever heard as to why we cant progress anymore. I talked about it during last season.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 3, 2017 17:01:57 GMT
You've got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream... how you gonna make a dream come true? Exactly. How do you think all top athletes, businesses, clubs started? With a dream. It's people with the excuses that won't achieve anything. Fair comment but I think you need a dose of realism as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:02:33 GMT
You keep banging on about the size of the city yet no one else seems to be mentioning it? It was one of the most hilarious excuses I've ever heard as to why we cant progress anymore. I talked about it during last season. You seem to talk about it a lot, unlike everyone else....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 3, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
Mate there's nobody more ambitious than me in regards Stoke but cmon eh Well there's me, but apparently that ambition just becomes bollocks in some peoples eyes. I know Everton are bigger than us, but at least they are showing ambition and intent. We seem content with survival. Maybe top 4 is unlikely, in fact it is, but are we really saying we don't want to have a go at achieving it? I love what Everton are doing and I wish we would show half of their ambition.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2017 17:04:55 GMT
It was one of the most hilarious excuses I've ever heard as to why we cant progress anymore. I talked about it during last season. You seem to talk about it a lot, unlike everyone else.... Well I'm arguing why these excuses are stupid and we should have ambition, that's why I'm mentioning it to aid my side of the argument.
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Post by bhp on Jul 3, 2017 17:20:36 GMT
Ambition is absolutely fine. Year on year improvement and winning a cup - bingo! Getting in the top-4 post Leicester winning the league when the top-7 have thrown an absolute fortune at their squads is just a pipe dream..... With the right management and backing from Coates we can progress as much as we like, there is no glass ceiling, and it has nothing at all to do with the size of a fucking city. We should keep progressing with the same ambition shown by Hudson and it should never stop. Of course with the right management and backing we would progress significantly, that's obvious. But right now, with Hughes in charge, with the players we have regaining a position in the top 10 would be a good achievement and should be our ambition for this season. If news broke tomorrow that Coates wants a shot at European football, sacks Hughes and brings in a better manager.. Tuchel for example who's unemployed and is a quality manager and gives the bloke at least £100m to spend this window then we should be raising expectations. Then, even if we spent that money, with our recent history of recruiting players who cost north of £10m then there is no guarantee that will work out. Hudson makes out that we've spent £100m in a season, above £50m in three windows is just around normal spending. £16m a window is hardly anything, it gets you 1 first team player, 2 if you shop around well. Compared to that to the top 6 and we don't even compete.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 3, 2017 17:29:59 GMT
It's a funny old game,the saying goes, how true. We could spend millions and could be fighting relegation, then again we could spend peanuts and be going for a top 8 place. I would rather spent some money though.
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Post by simple on Jul 3, 2017 17:57:01 GMT
I loved watching Huddy but,he as always talked shit.Even when he drunk in the old hut,he was a wonderful footballer but a right pain in the arse.What is ambition well to to win as many games as possible I am sure that's what we strive to do.Why don't we spend 200 million and put the club at risk that's not ambition.Leeds had ambition where are they now.So we move to the so called next level increase the capacity put season ticket prices up to say with Arsenal,we had 3 good seasons in the 70s when it was more of a level playing field because you got a share of the away revenue,how did the fans support the club not very well average of around 25000 big crowds against Manure because they brought 10000.Our ambition is to not drop down to Div 2 again.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 3, 2017 17:59:42 GMT
We do seem to kind of stagnated as a club into stability which is fine but I also see the need for caution after a few of our dealings. Whichever route PC goes it's usually for reason.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 3, 2017 18:34:14 GMT
PC has said the objective is sustainability. Steady invested in players and facilities year by year; pity the £50m wasn't better spent, but it hardly smacks of lack of ambition, just prudent development.
Is Alan suggesting the Coates family should have a splurge in an attempt to get to 4th place? Where are Blackburn, Leeds, and Alan Hudson having blown everything?
Would that Alan was playing for us today, in his pomp, on today's carpet pitches, but we would still need a Ritchie and Greenhoff to put the ball in the net.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 3, 2017 18:42:56 GMT
They don't but that's the assumption many(including me)believe is happening Hold your horses mate and lead the charge on September 1st should people's fears be realised. I'll be the one launching the Pepperoni... I've already been on to Tony Scholes letting him know there will be a crowd of very angry supporters waiting for him by Sir Stan if he doesn't pull his finger out. He's very nervous after hearing about last summers "incident" by Sir Stan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 7:26:15 GMT
We should be challenging for 4th? Do me a fucking favour.
We should be better than 11th, granted. But Top 4??
Give your head a wobble.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 4, 2017 7:40:37 GMT
Its hard for us to comepte with the money being thrown around but we need to find some identity and bring some spirit back into the place the past 18 months have just been dull mush
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Post by Davef on Jul 4, 2017 7:53:42 GMT
This is the problem with Leicester winning the league. One freak season when the top clubs collectively didn't perform has given rise to every lunatic who follows a mid-table Premier League club seeing no reason why their own club can't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 8:03:41 GMT
This is the problem with Leicester winning the league. One freak season when the top clubs collectively didn't perform has given rise to every lunatic who follows a mid-table Premier League club seeing no reason why their own club can't do it. It won't happen again in our lifetime Dave.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 4, 2017 8:44:39 GMT
Hudson was a truly sublime footballer but has he ever held any position with commercial or managerial or coaching responsibility in a top flight football club? I suggest we should view his comments in this light. What he is saying is could the Coates family give the club half a billion pounds please so we could have a punt at finishing in the top 4
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 4, 2017 8:47:52 GMT
Hudson was a truly sublime footballer but has he ever held any position with commercial or managerial or coaching responsibility in a top flight football club? I suggest we should view his comments in this light. What he is saying is could the Coates family give the club half a billion pounds please so we could have a punt at finishing in the top 4 I never understood why he didn't become a wine expert when he retired - he was uniquely qualified for the job! Great player though but that is as far as it goes.
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Post by mrred on Jul 4, 2017 8:47:58 GMT
Going off the direct quote, the only thing he's got wrong is that we're content at sitting below the top 8- not the top 6. During the past 2 years I've pretty much resigned to the fact that Stoke are happy to make up the numbers in the league as long as we stay in it and continue to snort up that sweet, sweet TV dollar.
What's the fucking point in football if it isn't to compete to be the best?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 10:49:25 GMT
We could spend £200 million and not get near the top 4 ...which is currently what Everton are in the process of doing, of which they are a far bigger club than us. Top 4 is ridiculous but what is worrying is there are a percentage of supporters that will read that, agree with it and go hunting with burning stakes come deadline night if we haven't spent some serious cash. Everton are not a far bigger club than us , that's just crap. Since promotion its 7w 6d 5l to them hardly much bigger.https://www.11v11.com/teams/everton/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Stoke%20City/
The truth is that £200 million is about right for a budget to take a club like ours or Everton to the "Next Level" with a clear target of European Football. But more than that this budget has to be maintained year on year to just keep pace and that is why I believe Peter Coates has got off the bus. £200 million on players, infrastructure and global club awareness growth. Sounds horrific but in an age where 1 top player is £100 million it is imo realistic.
We had a taste of Champagne with a European excursion and an FA cup Final but it's an expensive night out for a club on basic rate.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 4, 2017 11:06:14 GMT
Hudson was a truly sublime footballer but has he ever held any position with commercial or managerial or coaching responsibility in a top flight football club? I suggest we should view his comments in this light. What he is saying is could the Coates family give the club half a billion pounds please so we could have a punt at finishing in the top 4 Alan Hudson may very well not have held 'any position with commercial or managerial or coaching responsibility in a top flight football club' but then how many of the posters on this forum satisfy these criteria? Very few, if any, but that doesn't stop the proliferation of threads/posts where these budding CEOs and managers give full rein to their fantasies and prognoses
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 11:20:57 GMT
...which is currently what Everton are in the process of doing, of which they are a far bigger club than us. Top 4 is ridiculous but what is worrying is there are a percentage of supporters that will read that, agree with it and go hunting with burning stakes come deadline night if we haven't spent some serious cash. Everton are not a far bigger club than us , that's just crap. Since promotion its 7w 6d 5l to them hardly much bigger.https://www.11v11.com/teams/everton/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Stoke%20City/
The truth is that £200 million is about right for a budget to take a club like ours or Everton to the "Next Level" with a clear target of European Football. But more than that this budget has to be maintained year on year to just keep pace and that is why I believe Peter Coates has got off the bus. £200 million on players, infrastructure and global club awareness growth. Sounds horrific but in an age where 1 top player is £100 million it is imo realistic.
We had a taste of Champagne with a European excursion and an FA cup Final but it's an expensive night out for a club on basic rate.
They're a far far bigger club in terms of fanbase, far more successful in terms of trophies won, and when they move to their new ground the gap will get bigger.....
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