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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 9:44:44 GMT
Hang on a minute , what's he supposed to be bouncing back to ? mid-table mediocrity ?
I fear this season's gamble on Hughes will prove to be a massive , massive fatal error for us . We've played a blinder thus far in the Premier League, and we had a golden opportunity to say thankyou and goodbye this summer .....
Something is wrong in the vision for this club ...... I fear Saint Peter is getting past his sell by ...... my old man is exactly the same ....... just wants a quiet life .........
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Post by magwitch on Jul 3, 2017 9:47:34 GMT
The timing of this announcement by Peter Coates is rather curious, just at the start of the transfer window and well before the start of the season. Perhaps it is an attempt to boost season ticket sales, or maybe a last warning to MH that if results do not improve he will be out the door. Hughes must be rather worried that PC has found it necessary to say this now. My view is that if Hughes can secure tha signature of Gibson he will be well on the way to surviving this season.
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Post by Davef on Jul 3, 2017 9:57:08 GMT
The timing of this announcement by Peter Coates is rather curious, just at the start of the transfer window and well before the start of the season. Perhaps it is an attempt to boost season ticket sales, or maybe a last warning to MH that if results do not improve he will be out the door. Hughes must be rather worried that PC has found it necessary to say this now. My view is that if Hughes can secure tha signature of Gibson he will be well on the way to surviving this season. Well that's not going to happen is it?
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 3, 2017 9:58:49 GMT
Perhaps, maybe, could be, might be, I am guessing, do u think???? Anybody talks facts on here or making nonsense up
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Post by rat on Jul 3, 2017 10:00:47 GMT
Perhaps, maybe, could be, might be, I am guessing, do u think???? Anybody talks facts on here or making nonsense up Just opinions isn't it ? eh ?
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jul 3, 2017 10:01:50 GMT
I've sat back and patiently taken in everything close season so far and this latest statement from PC seems simply to reiterate what I thought at the end of last season he doesn't fully back Hughes but was afraid to say goodbye to him as he had no idea who to replace him with as he's too afraid to try a De Boar type and the crop of English managers are either employed or not good enough if not. So instead of twisting he sticks and is now for me making all the right noises of a man trying to convince himself that if he doesn't give his manager a war chest (because he doesn't trust him) he might do ok anyway. I still believe Hughes could well be gone by Oct, I'd like to be wrong and we have a solid start but I just can't see it fingers crossed I'm wrong for the fans and the clubs sake!
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Post by alster on Jul 3, 2017 10:23:25 GMT
The timing of this announcement by Peter Coates is rather curious, just at the start of the transfer window and well before the start of the season. Perhaps it is an attempt to boost season ticket sales, or maybe a last warning to MH that if results do not improve he will be out the door. Hughes must be rather worried that PC has found it necessary to say this now. My view is that if Hughes can secure tha signature of Gibson he will be well on the way to surviving this season. Don't see anything in it personally I think he's just taking his turn feeding some noise to the media like Scholes was the other week talking about all manner of crap that he wouldn't normally comment on. Closed season boredom but the media still demand to be fed because we're all staring at our laptops for news everyday.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 3, 2017 10:35:12 GMT
I've sat back and patiently taken in everything close season so far and this latest statement from PC seems simply to reiterate what I thought at the end of last season he doesn't fully back Hughes but was afraid to say goodbye to him as he had no idea who to replace him with as he's too afraid to try a De Boar type and the crop of English managers are either employed or not good enough if not. So instead of twisting he sticks and is now for me making all the right noises of a man trying to convince himself that if he doesn't give his manager a war chest (because he doesn't trust him) he might do ok anyway. I still believe Hughes could well be gone by Oct, I'd like to be wrong and we have a solid start but I just can't see it fingers crossed I'm wrong for the fans and the clubs sake! He won't sack him until at the very least late December unless we really do get ripped apart every game at the start.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jul 3, 2017 10:40:34 GMT
I've sat back and patiently taken in everything close season so far and this latest statement from PC seems simply to reiterate what I thought at the end of last season he doesn't fully back Hughes but was afraid to say goodbye to him as he had no idea who to replace him with as he's too afraid to try a De Boar type and the crop of English managers are either employed or not good enough if not. So instead of twisting he sticks and is now for me making all the right noises of a man trying to convince himself that if he doesn't give his manager a war chest (because he doesn't trust him) he might do ok anyway. I still believe Hughes could well be gone by Oct, I'd like to be wrong and we have a solid start but I just can't see it fingers crossed I'm wrong for the fans and the clubs sake! He won't sack him until at the very least late December unless we really do get ripped apart every game at the start. Maybe but I think it could be too late by then!!
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 3, 2017 10:46:03 GMT
He won't sack him until at the very least late December unless we really do get ripped apart every game at the start. Maybe but I think it could be too late by then!! Why ? It would be total madness to keep him on now, waste the window then get shot after half a dozen games and expect some unkown to come in and make things better. People say he always has a slow start, which means he always has a speed up, yet you think we should get rid after the slow start and before the speed up ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 3, 2017 10:50:30 GMT
100% fact argue with that. Question. Do you think Mark Hughes just pops out and buys the player and nobody else at the club is involved in the decision in any way and just rock up one day to find who the manager has bought? Do you think possibly there are a great number of meetings with numerous people, shortlists, knockbacks, breakthroughs, changes of mind and then agreement of all the members of the group on a decision? Or do you think it's like career mode on FIFA? Bowen has stated publicly that the Imbula transfer was down to Hughes after watching him in a pre season friendly against us, make of that what you will.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 3, 2017 10:56:18 GMT
I think PC's comment is quite significant.
Firstly I think he is telling some people (fans, employees, players) "Hughes is here for the foreseeable future so stop moaning or hoping for a new man, it isn't going to happen. So you might as well get behind him, the team, and club."
He is taking a lead and sticking his neck out.
If he is right (and there are some people who will never accept that no matter what happens), then the club is set fair for a good season. (In my book a good season would be a top half finish and a decent run in one of the cups.)
If he is wrong though, that is where I think his statement is quite significant as he has been seen to strongly back Hughes and his judgement will be put in doubt with the rest of the owners, who may be family, but nevertheless could put pressure on him to step down.
I personally would be worried about the future of the club without PC at the helm. He may be there because of his wealth and continued to be there because of the successful family business, but I'm also a strong believer in luck. Some people are lucky in life and some are not. I think PC is one of the former which has brought us one of the most successful periods in our club's history.
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Post by mrred on Jul 3, 2017 11:12:34 GMT
Get off that crackpipe, Pete. The last 2 seasons have been a slow but steady disaster as far as performances, formations and recruitment are concerned. The people running your club are taking it one way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 11:29:21 GMT
Call yourself a Stoke fan. Should be ashamed I'm ashamed that a cock like that supports our club. He doesn't. Not in the real sense of the word "support".
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 3, 2017 12:30:28 GMT
The obvious way of reading this is:
Coates recognises we had a disappointing season last year but is prepared give Hughes a chance to get us back in the top half based on the fact that he has a track record at Stoke and his previous clubs of achieving top half finishes.
Any other interpretation is really a desperate attempt to bend the facts to a particular agenda.
Unless it goes badly wrong Hughes is here for the rest of the season. So you can either get behind the team or moan about the fact the real world has a habit of not conforming to your way of viewing things. If you choose the latter please have the decency to accept that this means those of us who want to get behind the club have every right to give you dogs abuse for endlessly whinging about the chairman's choice of manager. When it comes to how the club functions you really aren't very important. You might think you know what's best for the club but you don't - all you have is an over inflated sense of the importance of your opinion and appear to get your kicks from denigrating virtually every aspect of the club you claim to support.
And to paraphrase Carly Simon - I Bet You Think this Post Is About You, Don't You?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 3, 2017 12:55:16 GMT
The obvious way of reading this is: Coates recognises we had a disappointing season last year but is prepared give Hughes a chance to get us back in the top half based on the fact that he has a track record at Stoke and his previous clubs of achieving top half finishes. Any other interpretation is really a desperate attempt to bend the facts to a particular agenda. Unless it goes badly wrong Hughes is here for the rest of the season. So you can either get behind the team or moan about the fact the real world has a habit of not conforming to your way of viewing things. If you choose the latter please have the decency to accept that this means those of us who want to get behind the club have every right to give you dogs abuse for endlessly whinging about the chairman's choice of manager. When it comes to how the club functions you really aren't very important. You might think you know what's best for the club but you don't - all you have is an over inflated sense of the importance of your opinion and appear to get your kicks from denigrating virtually every aspect of the club you claim to support. And to paraphrase Carly Simon - I Bet You Think this Post Is About You, Don't You? "You're so vain"!
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 3, 2017 12:59:08 GMT
Lots of Pete PR damage limitation going on right now. I prefer it when he silently unzips and unleashes his transfer python.........
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jul 3, 2017 13:02:54 GMT
Maybe but I think it could be too late by then!! Why ? It would be total madness to keep him on now, waste the window then get shot after half a dozen games and expect some unkown to come in and make things better. People say he always has a slow start, which means he always has a speed up, yet you think we should get rid after the slow start and before the speed up ? Slow start is an excuse I don't buy it and as I've stated PC is hoping things will change so he doesn't HAVE to make that change but I reckon there's enough talent in the squad for another manager to galvanise, organise until the Jan window. Do you think the crowds will be happy if we are getting tonked again in Sept early Oct. there's an international break around end Oct I believe, that would be the time PC decides enough is enough and be forever into THAT change
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Post by thehoof on Jul 3, 2017 13:17:07 GMT
How can you be happy with the trash he's produced? I don't understand some fans. Rick, I will give you the last 18 months as trash, the 30 months prior were a massive improvement on TP's previous 24 months! Lots of months there I know- I am not sure what to expect this season. I don't understand the logic of our posters though. Hughes will be here to at least November, yet some people are saying we haven't spent any money while others say don't give Hughes any money to spend as he will waste it? Given that he will be staying, we might as well release some funds otherwise we will definitely struggle. After all he only has to get 7 points from the first 5 games to make it our best ever start- I also appreciate that might be 5 more than some supporters think is likely.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2017 13:19:42 GMT
How can you be happy with the trash he's produced? I don't understand some fans. Rick, I will give you the last 18 months as trash, the 30 months prior were a massive improvement on TP's previous 24 months! Lots of months there I know- I am not sure what to expect this season. I don't understand the logic of our posters though. Hughes will be here to at least November, yet some people are saying we haven't spent any money while others say don't give Hughes any money to spend as he will waste it? Given that he will be staying, we might as well release some funds otherwise we will definitely struggle. After all he only has to get 7 points from the first 5 games to make it our best ever start- I also appreciate that might be 5 more than some supporters think is likely. I personally think it's a disaster waiting to happen. Seems like Coates isn't going to give him much.
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Post by chonburipotter on Jul 3, 2017 13:36:42 GMT
Perhaps, maybe, could be, might be, I am guessing, do u think???? Anybody talks facts on here or making nonsense up The facts are we've been shit for 18 months!!
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Post by greyman on Jul 3, 2017 13:48:28 GMT
Question. Do you think Mark Hughes just pops out and buys the player and nobody else at the club is involved in the decision in any way and just rock up one day to find who the manager has bought? Do you think possibly there are a great number of meetings with numerous people, shortlists, knockbacks, breakthroughs, changes of mind and then agreement of all the members of the group on a decision? Or do you think it's like career mode on FIFA? Bowen has stated publicly that the Imbula transfer was down to Hughes after watching him in a pre season friendly against us, make of that what you will. Yes. But do you think FIFA 17 Career Mode is an accurate representation of how transfers happen?
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 3, 2017 13:59:56 GMT
Hughes had is day and it's only a matter of time before all supporters and Coates know it. Hughes doesn't have anything up his sleeve since we have slowly worsened for the last 2 seasons. How anyone can say things are looking up is beyond me - if anyone says that it actually is't being said then why is he the manager still?
We should have cancelled his contract April/May with the recruitment department already on the look out for the right man.
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 3, 2017 14:02:40 GMT
If Alan Partridge can bounce back then I suppose anyone can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:16:38 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 3, 2017 15:18:15 GMT
Hughes had is day and it's only a matter of time before all supporters and Coates know it. Hughes doesn't have anything up his sleeve since we have slowly worsened for the last 2 seasons. How anyone can say things are looking up is beyond me - if anyone says that it actually is't being said then why is he the manager still? We should have cancelled his contract April/May with the recruitment department already on the look out for the right man. There's a big difference between having an opinion and expecting everyone to someday share your opinion. Neither of us know how next season will pan out. Are you claiming some special powers? It doesn't matter whether things are looking up or not. Hughest wasn't sacked in May and Coates is backing him. Get over it
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 3, 2017 15:39:09 GMT
Hughes had is day and it's only a matter of time before all supporters and Coates know it. Hughes doesn't have anything up his sleeve since we have slowly worsened for the last 2 seasons. How anyone can say things are looking up is beyond me - if anyone says that it actually is't being said then why is he the manager still? We should have cancelled his contract April/May with the recruitment department already on the look out for the right man. There's a big difference between having an opinion and expecting everyone to someday share your opinion. Neither of us know how next season will pan out. Are you claiming some special powers? It doesn't matter whether things are looking up or not. Hughest wasn't sacked in May and Coates is backing him. Get over it 'Neither of us know how next season will pan out' You're one smart cookie, my little skunk-come-kitty. What I can say on the evidence of the last two season is that it is more than likely going to be another shite season with a greater risk of it being much worse than anything better. Hope it won't be shite but how can I be positive and upbeat?
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 3, 2017 16:56:05 GMT
So all these postings saying Coates needs to back him, umm explains Imbula for me lads? £18 mil pissed up the wall and we ain't got shit in return. I've got ocean front property in Arizona for sale with that logic. It's obvious Hughes has been told to make due, unless there is some magic money spree being held back, I'm not sure he should be given another £20 million anyways to be honest. 😂 I couldn't handle another flop. Explain Hughes' first two seasons here. Naff all spent and nigh on 150M in prize money in return? Still don't trust him with transfer money, like I said he should be told to bargain bid he's better inheriting players like the first two seasons you mention with Pulis's old guard squad being the lynch pin. That is a huge difference than proving your worth going forward signing new hopefuls on nearly a quarter of that 150 in just one flop. He has no excuses when those players move on this summer. I personally wouldn't trust him with any more record signings...
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 3, 2017 17:03:55 GMT
I happen to think Mark Hughes offers us strong stable leadership He does, with mediocre risky recruitment but it is a gamble and it is what it is. He needs to find more Sobhi's in the basement and less window shopping Imbulas.
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Post by RAF on Jul 3, 2017 17:07:06 GMT
100% fact (lol) argue with that. All decent managers buy lemons now and again. That is a fucking fact. H
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