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Post by partickpotter on Aug 22, 2019 6:38:19 GMT
WW2 casts a long shadow over Europe - not surprisingly. Particularly for France and Germany (for different reasons - obviously!) As far as France is concerned that shadow has roots going back to 1870. The need for France, epitomised by de Gaulle during and after WW2, to be accepted as a global power is still at the heart of French politics which explains their attitude towards Britain and America. Because, they see a relationship between the UK and the US as diminishing their status. So you don't think that the US are taking advantage of the situation and that we'll end up getting our pants pulled down in whatever trade deal/s we sign with them? Just sounds like people are clutching at straws here and naive to what's really going on. Whatever hang ups France has about WW2 is immaterial. No I don’t think it is inevitable we get a bad deal. Although that is possible. Whatever deal comes about, I doubt it will be as poor as the one we got when we entered the EEC (that was the one that was so shite, the EU eventually had to start giving us rebates for after Thatcher wouldn’t let things lie). Take the blinkers off.
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2019 7:15:04 GMT
So you don't think that the US are taking advantage of the situation and that we'll end up getting our pants pulled down in whatever trade deal/s we sign with them? Just sounds like people are clutching at straws here and naive to what's really going on. Whatever hang ups France has about WW2 is immaterial. No I don’t think it is inevitable we get a bad deal. Although that is possible. Whatever deal comes about, I doubt it will be as poor as the one we got when we entered the EEC (that was the one that was so shite, the EU eventually had to start giving us rebates for after Thatcher wouldn’t let things lie). Take the blinkers off. Sorry mate but I can't think of anything as gullible as people believing that the US will give us a good deal with no strings attached. Unless you're oblivious to what's happening in the world, it's clear to see what the US are playing at. The notion that it will be a tough 1st few months after Brexit but then we'll be stronger or better off is based on nothing. Only false hope and a lack of supporting facts. Everything so far is pointing to the contrary. Anyway, in other news... Boris can try to spin yesterday anyway he wants but he's been played. First he publicly admitted that the onus is on him and the UK to come up with an acceptable solution (a concession basically). Merkel mentions that a deal on the backstop was expected to be reached in 2 years but that it 'could' be managed in 30 days. Then Macron reasserts that the backstop in non-negotiable. Hence, Boris may as well not bother with the meeting today. I'm quite intrigued to see what fantasy deal Boris can muster up that will be accepted both here and by the EU. This is just 30 days down the shitter. A hard Brexit or a No brexit seem to be the only possible outcomes here.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 22, 2019 9:35:46 GMT
What a thick cunt
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2019 9:41:26 GMT
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Post by Davef on Aug 22, 2019 11:44:35 GMT
We're at the bottom of the barrel here. How the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom can even for one nano-second think that there's any mileage in this idea is beyond belief. And Tom Newton-Dunn is no better. An issue illiterate hack who should be telling his readership exactly what piffle Johnson is talking. Then again, he does write for The Sun.
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Post by Northy on Aug 22, 2019 15:37:02 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Aug 22, 2019 16:27:30 GMT
For my money, the jury is still out on Boris as PM. He could well turn in to the total disaster many have predicted he will, or, on the other hand, he might shock us and become an out and out success. Time will tell. But, from today's meeting with Macron, does he really have to have his foot on this table in the Élysée Palace the scruffy, uncouth twat? Johnson & Macron
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Post by Mendicant on Aug 22, 2019 16:43:40 GMT
The only thing Macron nails is his pals while his beard wife goes to bingo. Assuming they have bingo in France? The French still have a blind spot for their role second world war. They take any chance they get to have a dig at Britain's alliance with the US. They're a funny bunch. Just deflecting away from the point. W2 has nothing to do with this. What's important is now and the future. . WW2 goes some way to defining France's sense of itself on the World stage today. Anti-American and British attitudes run deep there, they often refer to us as Anglo-Saxons, and mis-trust the alliance we have. Had France not been occupied in the war and liberated by the allies the way it was, I don't think they'd have such a pomme-frite on their shoulder about us. Macron is appealing to that attitude as he tries to regain popularity.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 22, 2019 16:43:42 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 22, 2019 16:49:32 GMT
For my money, the jury is still out on Boris as PM. He could well turn in to the total disaster many have predicted he will, or, on the other hand, he might shock us and become an out and out success. Time will tell. But, from today's meeting with Macron, does he really have to have his foot on this table in the Élysée Palace the scruffy, uncouth twat? Johnson & MacronI'm sure Boris is trying to send a subliminal message there, not sure what though
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 22, 2019 16:54:45 GMT
For my money, the jury is still out on Boris as PM. He could well turn in to the total disaster many have predicted he will, or, on the other hand, he might shock us and become an out and out success. Time will tell. But, from today's meeting with Macron, does he really have to have his foot on this table in the Élysée Palace the scruffy, uncouth twat? Johnson & MacronI'm sure Boris is trying to send a subliminal message there, not sure what though You may have shagged your teacher fella but look at this for girth
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 22, 2019 18:41:14 GMT
For my money, the jury is still out on Boris as PM. He could well turn in to the total disaster many have predicted he will, or, on the other hand, he might shock us and become an out and out success. Time will tell. But, from today's meeting with Macron, does he really have to have his foot on this table in the Élysée Palace the scruffy, uncouth twat? Johnson & MacronIn fairness
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2019 21:10:04 GMT
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Post by Northy on Aug 23, 2019 5:36:33 GMT
For my money, the jury is still out on Boris as PM. He could well turn in to the total disaster many have predicted he will, or, on the other hand, he might shock us and become an out and out success. Time will tell. But, from today's meeting with Macron, does he really have to have his foot on this table in the Élysée Palace the scruffy, uncouth twat? Johnson & MacronAh,, the old still from a video to make someone look bad trick, Macron mockingly said to Boris that the table looks like a footstool, so Boris joked back, like this, and put his foot on for about a second
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Post by stoke111 on Aug 23, 2019 6:36:39 GMT
For my money, the jury is still out on Boris as PM. He could well turn in to the total disaster many have predicted he will, or, on the other hand, he might shock us and become an out and out success. Time will tell. But, from today's meeting with Macron, does he really have to have his foot on this table in the Élysée Palace the scruffy, uncouth twat? Johnson & MacronIn fairness It’s crazy how the media can portray things just from a small joke. Post the picture of his foot on the table and it looks like Boris is being rude/disrespectful to Macron. Post a picture 1 second before and it looks like a serious conversation between the 2 parties. It’s hard to know what to believe in the news these days.
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Post by foster on Aug 23, 2019 6:42:53 GMT
Never believed that foot on the table image in any case. I can't imagine any politician doing that in a rude way. Not even Trump.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2019 17:17:12 GMT
Donald Tusk to Boris Johnson.... "You're Mr No-Deal Brexit"
Boris Johnson to Donald Tusk … "No... you're Mr No-Deal Brexit"
Fantastic stuff.
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Post by foster on Aug 24, 2019 18:51:09 GMT
I'm sure Boris is trying to send a subliminal message there, not sure what though You may have shagged your teacher fella but look at this for girth Tusk is right. We voted to leave then just fucking leave and stop whining about a deal or no deal. This whole discussion about the EU having to give us an easy ride over it is laughable. Or Just cancel Brexit. I'm alright Jack with either.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 24, 2019 19:07:44 GMT
You may have shagged your teacher fella but look at this for girth Tusk is right. We voted to leave then just fucking leave and stop whining about a deal or no deal. This whole discussion about the EU having to give us an easy ride over it is laughable. Or Just cancel Brexit. I'm alright Jack with either. The thing is... What happens with Tusk's precious backstop in the event of a no deal Brexit?
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Post by foster on Aug 24, 2019 20:17:11 GMT
Tusk is right. We voted to leave then just fucking leave and stop whining about a deal or no deal. This whole discussion about the EU having to give us an easy ride over it is laughable. Or Just cancel Brexit. I'm alright Jack with either. The thing is... What happens with Tusk's precious backstop in the event of a no deal Brexit? No idea. Is there a hard border setup to stop traffic into the UK?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 24, 2019 20:47:51 GMT
Tusk is right. We voted to leave then just fucking leave and stop whining about a deal or no deal. This whole discussion about the EU having to give us an easy ride over it is laughable. Or Just cancel Brexit. I'm alright Jack with either. The thing is... What happens with Tusk's precious backstop in the event of a no deal Brexit? If we choose not to man the border, what will Ireland and the EU do?
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Post by foster on Aug 24, 2019 20:49:19 GMT
The thing is... What happens with Tusk's precious backstop in the event of a no deal Brexit? If we choose not to man the border, what will Ireland and the EU do? Dunno. Fun times ahead
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Post by stokeox11 on Aug 24, 2019 20:57:06 GMT
The thing is... What happens with Tusk's precious backstop in the event of a no deal Brexit? If we choose not to man the border, what will Ireland and the EU do? You are right, its not our problem. The EU's borders are porous, but you don't hear anyone in Brussels/Strasbourg giving the Croatian's a hard time about the mountain roads into Bosnia, for example. Then just make things a bit tighter at the ferry ports on the mainland.
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Post by foster on Aug 24, 2019 22:21:13 GMT
I see Boris is now trying to the tell the US what they need to do to secure a deal with us.
Damn, he sounds so desperate. Literally burning all our bridges here. There's no way the US will give an inch.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 24, 2019 22:27:59 GMT
I see Boris is now trying to the tell the US what they need to do to secure a deal with us. Damn, he sounds so desperate. Literally burning all our bridges here. There's no way the US will give an inch. Fucking Hell, a Prime Minister trying to do the best for the UK. At what point during EU control did we become so controlled by the EU?
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 25, 2019 4:18:43 GMT
The thing is... What happens with Tusk's precious backstop in the event of a no deal Brexit? If we choose not to man the border, what will Ireland and the EU do? The backstop was always a con trick . The reason the EU don't want a no deal is because as they themselves admit they will need to impose border controls to protect the single market .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2019 7:55:39 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 25, 2019 10:08:01 GMT
I'm sure your mates from the hard left will be looking for another passing bandwagon to jump on momo , are you sugggesting Johnson would dissolve parliament ? Are you outraged that this would be anti democratic? Or is Johnson doing his level best to support the democratic wishes of the British people . Do you consider this alliance corbyn is trying to create i little better than an attack on democracy as all parties have constantly campaigned to respecting the referendum result
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2019 10:13:00 GMT
I'm sure your mates from the hard left will be looking for another passing bandwagon to jump on momo , are you sugggesting Johnson would dissolve parliament ? Are you outraged that this would be anti democratic? Or is Johnson doing his level best to support the democratic wishes of the British people . Do you consider this alliance corbyn is trying to create i little better than an attack on democracy as all parties have constantly campaigned to respecting the referendum result Johnson doesn't have a mandate for anything and certainly not plunging the country in to constitutional turmoil simply to engage in catastrophic no deal Brexit which will prosper the wealthy and see us as a Singapore by the sea economy flogging the NHS to the fascist in The White House.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 25, 2019 10:35:49 GMT
I'm sure your mates from the hard left will be looking for another passing bandwagon to jump on momo , are you sugggesting Johnson would dissolve parliament ? Are you outraged that this would be anti democratic? Or is Johnson doing his level best to support the democratic wishes of the British people . Do you consider this alliance corbyn is trying to create i little better than an attack on democracy as all parties have constantly campaigned to respecting the referendum result Johnson doesn't have a mandate for anything and certainly not plunging the country in to constitutional turmoil simply to engage in catastrophic no deal Brexit which will prosper the wealthy and see us as a Singapore by the sea economy flogging the NHS to the fascist in The White House. Heh heh are you David lammy pretending to be MOMO
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