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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 16:47:55 GMT
The International Arbitration court in The Hague. It probably won't come to that because sense will undoubtedly prevail and it will be paid because we will need to have a relationship with the EU even in the event of no deal. I don't believe it has such jurisdiction Dave , based on precedents unless you can show otherwise. We have not breached any agreement to pay. Just exercising an article (50) as part of our membership agreement.. nothing in it about exit fees/ future spending commitments. The EU needs to reduce its budget if a contributor leaves. We equally should be entitled to reimbursement for or an interest in current EU assets yo which we have contributed but relinquish on leaving. Most governments of the world would not disrespect us but admire us. The £39b is simply a creation of a Remainer colluding with the EU. No legal basis. Yeah, well both Johnson and Hunt have pledged to start re-negotiations with the EU. It simply isn't going to happen unless they commit to paying what we owe.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 30, 2019 16:59:26 GMT
I don't believe it has such jurisdiction Dave , based on precedents unless you can show otherwise. We have not breached any agreement to pay. Just exercising an article (50) as part of our membership agreement.. nothing in it about exit fees/ future spending commitments. The EU needs to reduce its budget if a contributor leaves. We equally should be entitled to reimbursement for or an interest in current EU assets yo which we have contributed but relinquish on leaving. Most governments of the world would not disrespect us but admire us. The £39b is simply a creation of a Remainer colluding with the EU. No legal basis. Yeah, well both Johnson and Hunt have pledged to start re-negotiations with the EU. It simply isn't going to happen unless they commit to paying what we owe. We don't owe that much though, part of that £39bn is a goodwill gesture of £19bn for the year 2020, why would we pay that if we leave with no deal?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 17:16:17 GMT
I don't believe it has such jurisdiction Dave , based on precedents unless you can show otherwise. We have not breached any agreement to pay. Just exercising an article (50) as part of our membership agreement.. nothing in it about exit fees/ future spending commitments. The EU needs to reduce its budget if a contributor leaves. We equally should be entitled to reimbursement for or an interest in current EU assets yo which we have contributed but relinquish on leaving. Most governments of the world would not disrespect us but admire us. The £39b is simply a creation of a Remainer colluding with the EU. No legal basis. Yeah, well both Johnson and Hunt have pledged to start re-negotiations with the EU. It simply isn't going to happen unless they commit to paying what we owe. We simply don't legally or morally owe it. The only way that it has appeared in any documentation was on the basis " nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". From full fact..."The divorce bill is not binding until parliament approves the withdrawal agreement" Why are Remainers do eager to give our money away.... wouldn't it be better spent on the NHS( trigger, trigger🥴) Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 17:17:46 GMT
I don't believe it has such jurisdiction Dave , based on precedents unless you can show otherwise. We have not breached any agreement to pay. Just exercising an article (50) as part of our membership agreement.. nothing in it about exit fees/ future spending commitments. The EU needs to reduce its budget if a contributor leaves. We equally should be entitled to reimbursement for or an interest in current EU assets yo which we have contributed but relinquish on leaving. Most governments of the world would not disrespect us but admire us. The £39b is simply a creation of a Remainer colluding with the EU. No legal basis. Yeah, well both Johnson and Hunt have pledged to start re-negotiations with the EU. It simply isn't going to happen unless they commit to paying what we owe. So we have to leave with no deal....and therefore the responsibility for having no deal will lie with the EU
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 17:25:08 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 17:31:12 GMT
Yeah, well both Johnson and Hunt have pledged to start re-negotiations with the EU. It simply isn't going to happen unless they commit to paying what we owe. So we have to leave with no deal....and therefore the responsibility for having no deal will lie with the EU Well no, because the Withdrawal Agreement includes our financial commitments which has been agreed between the U.K. Government and the EU. Parliament rejected the WA.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 17:54:20 GMT
So we have to leave with no deal....and therefore the responsibility for having no deal will lie with the EU Well no, because the Withdrawal Agreement includes our financial commitments which has been agreed between the U.K. Government and the EU. Parliament rejected the WA. If Parliament has rejected it, it is not legally binding. It has not been passed into our law. That's legally the position and no one disputes that. Why are "we" still trying to get it/ a WA through Parliament. I don't think some Remainers would like to see the UK to succeed. We are in debt need much more funding on our infrastructure and yet you are eager to give our money away unnecessarily and recklessly because a rejected proposal mentions it. Unbelievable Theresa!
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 30, 2019 18:04:48 GMT
So we have to leave with no deal....and therefore the responsibility for having no deal will lie with the EU Well no, because the Withdrawal Agreement includes our financial commitments which has been agreed between the U.K. Government and the EU. Parliament rejected the WA. But it's conditional on a WA, if we leave with no deal why on earth would you just hand over £39bn?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 18:11:18 GMT
Well no, because the Withdrawal Agreement includes our financial commitments which has been agreed between the U.K. Government and the EU. Parliament rejected the WA. But it's conditional on a WA, if we leave with no deal why on earth would you just hand over £39bn? Because somebody says you have to ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 18:28:28 GMT
The conviction politicians on the left and right, Skinner and Rees-Mogg, would not pay the £39b........it seems that the Remain position is 100% in support of Theresa May ( the new socialists?)
Dennis Skinner" I wouldn't pay them a penny piece" from 7.15 onwards...
Rees-Mogg " we have no legal obligation to pay £39b
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Post by 4372 on Jun 30, 2019 18:29:15 GMT
But it's conditional on a WA, if we leave with no deal why on earth would you just hand over £39bn? Because somebody says you have to ? It is likely mentioned in the Bible.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 30, 2019 18:43:12 GMT
But it's conditional on a WA, if we leave with no deal why on earth would you just hand over £39bn? Because somebody says you have to ? The EU must have loved negotiating with us, every meeting we must have offered them another billion
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 19:16:11 GMT
Because somebody says you have to ? It is likely mentioned in the Bible. Mark 12 v17. Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him. This question was asked of Jesus to try to catch him out, to see where his allegiance lay ,with " Judaism" or with the Romans. A very similar question needs to be asked of Remainers. But you are getting yourself mixed up with other personas again.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 19:18:38 GMT
Because somebody says you have to ? The EU must have loved negotiating with us, every meeting we must have offered them another billion May's intention clearly was " to stay as close to the EU as possible" so that in 5 years time some Remainer could say " We are in the EU in all but name, let's rejoin properly" and continue in Ever Closer Union towards an antidemocratic United States of Europe
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 30, 2019 19:57:26 GMT
So we have to leave with no deal....and therefore the responsibility for having no deal will lie with the EU Well no, because the Withdrawal Agreement includes our financial commitments which has been agreed between the U.K. Government and the EU. Parliament rejected the WA. At the start of brexit May frequently stated no deal is better than a bad deal and the EU stated nothing is agreed until everything is agreed no trade deal agreed no wa agreed and they wont talk on a trade deal until wa is agreed.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 30, 2019 20:04:27 GMT
Much of the €39 billion is for the two year transition period effectively we still pay membership fees but if there is no deal there is no transition and no €39 billion either. There is also an argument we should be due a refund for our share of assets etc nevermind the fact countries joining the eu dont have to pay so we do we have to pay to leave.... The £39B is money that we've committed to and it's very likely that we'd be sued if we tried to withhold it. It also wouldn't put us ("Global Britain") in a good light elsewhere in the world and the EU wouldn't deal with us in the future if we didn't settle our financial commitments. It's brainless rhetoric from Johnson and Hunt which might satisfy the ultra Brexiteers, but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny in the real world. As has been pointed out there is no legal obigtion to pay this if there was the EU wouldnt need to put this into a separate agreement very bizarre that may's nehotiating team just gave this £39 billion away without seemingly asking for anything.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 30, 2019 22:00:19 GMT
It's very long and won't be in MSM but the Brexit party policies will resonate with some people
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Post by 4372 on Jun 30, 2019 22:23:30 GMT
It is likely mentioned in the Bible. Mark 12 v17. Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him. This question was asked of Jesus to try to catch him out, to see where his allegiance lay ,with " Judaism" or with the Romans. A very similar question needs to be asked of Remainers. But you are getting yourself mixed up with other personas again. Unadulterated tripe.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2019 5:29:07 GMT
Mark 12 v17. Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him. This question was asked of Jesus to try to catch him out, to see where his allegiance lay ,with " Judaism" or with the Romans. A very similar question needs to be asked of Remainers. But you are getting yourself mixed up with other personas again. Unadulterated tripe. What do you expect? " Why ask?" Trigger. You reap what you sow Galatians 6:7:
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Post by 4372 on Jul 1, 2019 6:43:23 GMT
What do you expect? " Why ask?" Trigger. You reap what you sow Galatians 6:7: Really desperate stuff. You should consider a career in barrel-scraping.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 1, 2019 7:48:38 GMT
Mark 12 v17. Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him. This question was asked of Jesus to try to catch him out, to see where his allegiance lay ,with " Judaism" or with the Romans. A very similar question needs to be asked of Remainers. But you are getting yourself mixed up with other personas again. Unadulterated tripe. The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions they cease to be mind “ Friedrich Nietzsche “ Pretty much sums the Eu and remoaners to a tee
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2019 8:23:31 GMT
What do you expect? " Why ask?" Trigger. You reap what you sow Galatians 6:7: Really desperate stuff. You should consider a career in barrel-scraping. If you see such a job , please let me know. ( P S...can I put you down as a referee, as someone experienced in the area?)
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Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2019 8:31:45 GMT
Did yesterdays Brexit party rally make it onto any of the MSM news this morning ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2019 8:39:27 GMT
Did yesterdays Brexit party rally make it onto any of the MSM news this morning ? Northy At least it is interesting for some people yo recognise that " other" people can actually get involved in the closed shop of politics. It doesn't have to be us and them. As you say it is an uphill battle given that the media and Political class do not really want any real change. A few policies from the BP from the chair PERSON. twitter.com/TiceRichard/status m.mcgarry@mmu.ac/1145379104944009216?s=19
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Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2019 9:04:20 GMT
Did yesterdays Brexit party rally make it onto any of the MSM news this morning ? Northy At least it is interesting for some people yo recognise that " other" people can actually get involved in the closed shop of politics. It doesn't have to be us and them. As you say it is an uphill battle given that the media and Political class do not really want any real change. A few policies from the BP from the chair PERSON. Thanks, I did watch it live and thought some decent points raised, scrapping HS2 and concentrating on the north's east west line is a great policy, as is the non interest on student loans, looking to grab the youth vote from brother grandad. Farage needs to expand his speech a bit, it's all a bit tub thumping similar to others
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Post by desman2 on Jul 1, 2019 10:47:51 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 1, 2019 11:29:31 GMT
So now I see that no deal would mean we would have to bail out the fishing industry- the very industry career people like Farage use to push their fuckwittery.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 12:09:32 GMT
Hunt now saying he'll take us out with no deal at end of October if he can't persuade the EU to renegotiate - he will make the decision by the end of September. Fun and games in the House of Conmen if he tries to do that. Grieve, Letwin, Cooper, Benn, Starmer and Co. will be on maximum alert to bring down the government if he (or Boris) attempts to do this. link
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Post by 4372 on Jul 1, 2019 12:20:11 GMT
Really desperate stuff. You should consider a career in barrel-scraping. If you see such a job , please let me know. ( P S...can I put you down as a referee, as someone experienced in the area?) Believe in Brexit. Its in the Bible LOL
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 1, 2019 12:20:29 GMT
So now I see that no deal would mean we would have to bail out the fishing industry- the very industry career people like Farage use to push their fuckwittery. Can you explain what you mean Fog
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