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Post by bathstoke on Mar 24, 2019 18:57:01 GMT
Because Yanksville have told them that they’re not going to foot the bill for all the worlds conflicts any longer. That would be the country that's kept the peace in Europe since 1945 through NATO. Perhaps the EU needs it's army when it secures Ukraine. Perhaps the USA are right not to fund the Europe's disputes when they would be avoidable but for the expansionism going on under the EU.
The last thing I would imagine Russia being happy with is a border with Greater Germanie.
I like to think of us, the English as the Germans who didn’t like the Germans, so we £@#&ed off to Britannia. If the Germans can’t take a joke, £@#&’em! Don’t mention the warXx
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 24, 2019 19:00:40 GMT
You still haven't answered my question though. The GFA has parked the bus. The bitterness is there simmering on all sides. The new generations are still voting for the same entrenched, failed parties and it's a bit rich for you to accuse some one else of not answering questions. It's a project that's doomed to fail and is failing.
This is a lull in the "war". I honestly hoped at the time that the GFA would change things but it hasn't. The only thing is a pause in the killings and bombings waiting for the next spark.
I assume your answer is still peace and love.
My answer would always be peace and love.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 24, 2019 19:10:22 GMT
That would be the country that's kept the peace in Europe since 1945 through NATO. Perhaps the EU needs it's army when it secures Ukraine. Perhaps the USA are right not to fund the Europe's disputes when they would be avoidable but for the expansionism going on under the EU.
The last thing I would imagine Russia being happy with is a border with Greater Germanie.
I like to think of us, the English as the Germans who didn’t like the Germans, so we £@#&ed off to Britannia. If the Germans can’t take a joke, £@#&’em! Don’t mention the warXx Yes... it's funny how "Anglo-Saxon" is Germanic in origin and a lot of people in England have Germanic DNA. Even the word English is derived from the Angles. Still don't worry.. If these UKIP fanatics have their way they will soon destroy the United Kingdom and separate Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Cornwall and London could be next. It's quite funny how their name incorporates UK. Should be EIP really.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 24, 2019 19:17:42 GMT
I think Gods's post sums up the divide in Britain perfectly. Brexit has just highlighted it, it was always there. I agree... When it comes to Brexit passions run high, that's obvious. I'm just pleased that both sides of the fence can express their views on here without being moderated! Same here, and I think Gods is a good poster, generally, even if he's on the opposite side of the debate on Brexit.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 24, 2019 19:19:20 GMT
That would be the country that's kept the peace in Europe since 1945 through NATO. Perhaps the EU needs it's army when it secures Ukraine. Perhaps the USA are right not to fund the Europe's disputes when they would be avoidable but for the expansionism going on under the EU.
The last thing I would imagine Russia being happy with is a border with Greater Germanie.
I like to think of us, the English as the Germans who didn’t like the Germans, so we £@#&ed off to Britannia. If the Germans can’t take a joke, £@#&’em! Don’t mention the warXx You started it.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2019 19:25:31 GMT
I like to think of us, the English as the Germans who didn’t like the Germans, so we £@#&ed off to Britannia. If the Germans can’t take a joke, £@#&’em! Don’t mention the warXx Yes... it's funny how "Anglo-Saxon" is Germanic in origin and a lot of people in England have Germanic DNA. Even the word English is derived from the Angles. Still don't worry.. If these UKIP fanatics have their way they will soon destroy the United Kingdom and separate Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Cornwall and London could be next. It's quite funny how their name incorporates UK. Should be EIP really. Scotland apparently if you listen to wee jimmy krankee want independence from the UK even though they voted in a democratic referendum not to, note the word democratic I see she is now whinging for another referendum what a surprise another sore loser there seem to be a lot of them about. oh well never mind the rest of us will have to get on with what the majority voted for life's a bitch.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2019 19:29:53 GMT
That would be the country that's kept the peace in Europe since 1945 through NATO. Perhaps the EU needs it's army when it secures Ukraine. Perhaps the USA are right not to fund the Europe's disputes when they would be avoidable but for the expansionism going on under the EU.
The last thing I would imagine Russia being happy with is a border with Greater Germanie.
I like to think of us, the English as the Germans who didn’t like the Germans, so we £@#&ed off to Britannia. If the Germans can’t take a joke, £@#&’em! Don’t mention the warXx Or the 1966 World Cup, on 29/03/2019 we should have the famous commentary played on the media all day "some people are on the pitch they think it's all over, it is now" well maybe not I hear the Germans are asking for the game to be replayed as they didn't like the result
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 24, 2019 20:32:11 GMT
Yes... it's funny how "Anglo-Saxon" is Germanic in origin and a lot of people in England have Germanic DNA. Even the word English is derived from the Angles. Still don't worry.. If these UKIP fanatics have their way they will soon destroy the United Kingdom and separate Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Cornwall and London could be next. It's quite funny how their name incorporates UK. Should be EIP really. Scotland apparently if you listen to wee jimmy krankee want independence from the UK even though they voted in a democratic referendum not to, note the word democratic I see she is now whinging for another referendum what a surprise another sore loser there seem to be a lot of them about. oh well never mind the rest of us will have to get on with what the majority voted for life's a bitch. Yes. Because the majority of Scotland still want to be part of the EU. Brexit is not only taking us out of EU. It could possibly break up the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as well.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 24, 2019 20:55:27 GMT
A genuine question; what is it about the EU that the Scots generally like that the English generally don't? What are they getting from it or being told about it that we're not?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 24, 2019 21:12:17 GMT
Can someone please tell me why parliament gets to choose the type of Brexit they want, but we don't?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2019 21:13:00 GMT
Scotland apparently if you listen to wee jimmy krankee want independence from the UK even though they voted in a democratic referendum not to, note the word democratic I see she is now whinging for another referendum what a surprise another sore loser there seem to be a lot of them about. oh well never mind the rest of us will have to get on with what the majority voted for life's a bitch. Yes. Because the majority of Scotland still want to be part of the EU. Brexit is not only taking us out of EU. It could possibly break up the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as well. Oh well we get to keep Wales
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2019 21:16:08 GMT
Can someone please tell me why parliament gets to choose the type of Brexit they want, but we don't? Extremely bad outcomes of what you say are described in these two videos Tricky, one by Remainer
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2019 21:25:28 GMT
A genuine question; what is it about the EU that the Scots generally like that the English generally don't? What are they getting from it or being told about it that we're not? Absolution I don't fully know but certainly what happens in many regions is that the EU " funds" projects and makes sure that the recipients know that the " funding" has come from the EU. Obviously those benefitting from the funding quite rightly see it as a good thing and fear change because they could lose this particular funding stream. If course the EU not EU supporters will acknowledge the simple fact that this funding is actually coming from "member states".... there's no such thing as EU money ( until they take complete control)..…...so in reality the UK are funding the projects from our contribution.....with a generous cut going to the bureacrats and administrators ( ie the EU organisation)
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Post by salopstick on Mar 24, 2019 21:30:52 GMT
A genuine question; what is it about the EU that the Scots generally like that the English generally don't? What are they getting from it or being told about it that we're not? Cheap booze and fags from holidays
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Post by Linx on Mar 24, 2019 21:33:53 GMT
5.25 million
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 24, 2019 21:35:50 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2019 21:41:05 GMT
I agree with O'Flynn's tweet here.,..I think that one of the lasting effects of the resistance to implement the Referendum decision will be to cement and clarify the division between the working class and the Middle class. Of course hard to prove empirically unless studies are done. I don't think that many from the ordinary working class in Stoke would take part in a protest in London....most of the snippers that I have seen seem to show a largely elderly middle class having a day out and students ( of course these groups are fully entitled to protest in the way that suits them..,..the less assertive working class thought that a vote in the ballot box was enough to make their point) The comments on the video are interesting ( in my opinion)
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 24, 2019 21:49:15 GMT
Just another 12,160,742 million to go.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 24, 2019 21:52:45 GMT
I agree with O'Flynn's tweet here.,..I think that one of the lasting effects of the resistance to implement the Referendum decision will be to cement and clarify the division between the working class and the Middle class. Of course hard to prove empirically unless studies are done. I don't think that many from the ordinary working class in Stoke would take part in a protest in London....most of the snippers that I have seen seem to show a largely elderly middle class having a day out and students ( of course these groups are fully entitled to protest in the way that suits them..,..the less assertive working class thought that a vote in the ballot box was enough to make their point) The comments on the video are interesting ( in my opinion) Yes, I find it hard to imagine someone working shit hours(often decided on last minute) in a care home saying "I won't be available for the weekend shifts due to going on a protest march", can you?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 24, 2019 22:12:30 GMT
Why are leavers so obsessed with war and to a lesser extent, violence?? And are you an 'ex-pat' or not? Yes, I'm an expat who frequently returns. And language is metaphorical. So when you say 'this country' and 'our Government' you don't actually mean the one you choose to live in then? And how do you feel denying other people the right to the freedom of movement that immigrants like you have enjoyed/are currently enjoying? Bit hypocritical isn't it?
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Post by yeokel on Mar 24, 2019 23:21:28 GMT
Can someone please tell me why parliament gets to choose the type of Brexit they want, but we don't? So you are a supporter of a “people’s vote” then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 23:27:21 GMT
A genuine question; what is it about the EU that the Scots generally like that the English generally don't? What are they getting from it or being told about it that we're not? Absolution I don't fully know but certainly what happens in many regions is that the EU " funds" projects and makes sure that the recipients know that the " funding" has come from the EU. Obviously those benefitting from the funding quite rightly see it as a good thing and fear change because they could lose this particular funding stream. If course the EU not EU supporters will acknowledge the simple fact that this funding is actually coming from "member states".... there's no such thing as EU money ( until they take complete control)..…...so in reality the UK are funding the projects from our contribution.....with a generous cut going to the bureacrats and administrators ( ie the EU organisation) Also quite a few of those funds (for companies in certain industries and developers in regeneration areas) are administered by the usual banks taking quite large arrangement fees for the loans for sure and I’m assuming a cut of the interest paid...don’t forget those! It is all very much a great big bloody joke. I work in this sector so I see it but it’s understandable people who don’t work in it don’t know what’s going on and, of course, no-one is going to tell them.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 25, 2019 0:35:38 GMT
A genuine question; what is it about the EU that the Scots generally like that the English generally don't? What are they getting from it or being told about it that we're not? The EU funding is spent on a wide variety of items but the main items are the CAP and regional & social funding to the poorer regions of the EU. The regional and social money that is "returned" to the UK largely goes to England, but on an expenditure per head of population England receives considerably less than the other UK counties: Wales: c.140 Euro, NI: c. 55 Euro, Scotland: c.45 Euro, and England: c.25 Euro. (based on EU planned expenditure 2014-20: researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7847/CBP-7847.pdf ) Naturally the Scots are concerned that if we leave the EU they will not be treated as well by a UK government in London. Note: The UK, Germany, and Netherlands are the major net financial contributors to the EU; almost every other country benefits financially. France gets out what it puts in. Germany and Netherlands enjoy a huge balance of trade benefit with the UK, £20 billion and £8 billion respectively. The UK not only is major funder of the EU, it also has a major trading deficit which is getting worse. Meanwhile our trade balance with the rest of the world is positive and increasing, hence in the future we will be much better outside the EU. www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/08/why-the-uk-trade-deficit-with-the-eu-is-woeful-and-wideningMany countries benefit from being in the EU, in fact you could argue all do except the UK. Someone has to pay for everyone else's benefit. A significant proportion of our GDP is earned by selling to the EU, which some argue is a benefit, but virtually all we sell the EU need and will continue to buy. (They wouldn't buy off us by choice - except maybe whisky!) The only sector where we could lose business is financial but the growth in the financial sector in the rest of the world is going to be massive as their living standards rise, whereas there will be minimal growth in the living standards of Europe except in the small east EU countries.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 25, 2019 3:15:48 GMT
Can someone please tell me why parliament gets to choose the type of Brexit they want, but we don't? So you are a supporter of a “people’s vote” then? No, I just wondered how they get to decide on the type of Brexit Leavers wanted?
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Post by starkiller on Mar 25, 2019 3:26:58 GMT
Yes, I'm an expat who frequently returns. And language is metaphorical. So when you say 'this country' and 'our Government' you don't actually mean the one you choose to live in then? And how do you feel denying other people the right to the freedom of movement that immigrants like you have enjoyed/are currently enjoying? Bit hypocritical isn't it? Not hypocritical at all. Before I moved, I had to have secured a job contract and private health insurance. A basic requirement for most sensible countries in the world. This is not in the EU and there was no other barrier to me living in another country. Living and working abroad does not require freedom of movement. And Brexit does not deny anyone the same opportunity. And neither does it prevent anyone coming to the UK to work. Where's the hypocrisy? And, yes, the UK is my country. I'm a British citizen working abroad.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 25, 2019 6:06:19 GMT
You can at least half that When you only count people who live in this country and are eligible to vote As guess what people living abroad people under eighteen and foreign nationals living in this country they don’t count Come back When you get past four million actual voters
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 25, 2019 6:16:38 GMT
You can at least half that When you only count people who live in this country and are eligible to vote As guess what people living abroad people under eighteen and foreign nationals living in this country they don’t count Come back When you get past four million actual voters And how is the no deal petition doing? Should we also halve the signatories on that?
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 25, 2019 6:40:29 GMT
A genuine question; what is it about the EU that the Scots generally like that the English generally don't? What are they getting from it or being told about it that we're not? Historically the Scots and the French have always got along. A mutual dislike of the country in between might help. Also, campaigning for an independent Scotland might seem less nationalistic and populist if it came with the policy of separate EU membership.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Mar 25, 2019 6:54:39 GMT
You can at least half that When you only count people who live in this country and are eligible to vote As guess what people living abroad people under eighteen and foreign nationals living in this country they don’t count Come back When you get past four million actual voters And how is the no deal petition doing? Should we also halve the signatories on that? It's hilarious that you fools expect us genuine leave voters to give a flying fuck about 5 million online votes of which as mentioned I'd love to know how many votes would genuinely count at the polls yet all along you've totally shit on, put down, said we were wrong and generally ignored the democratic vote of over 17 million genuine voters. Yet it's us that should be taking note of your irrelevant far to late to give a shit poll. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by felonious on Mar 25, 2019 7:02:22 GMT
The GFA has parked the bus. The bitterness is there simmering on all sides. The new generations are still voting for the same entrenched, failed parties and it's a bit rich for you to accuse some one else of not answering questions. It's a project that's doomed to fail and is failing.
This is a lull in the "war". I honestly hoped at the time that the GFA would change things but it hasn't. The only thing is a pause in the killings and bombings waiting for the next spark.
I assume your answer is still peace and love.
My answer would always be peace and love. In an unreal world so would mine. It's nice of you to admit you're clueless.
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