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Post by Northy on Feb 21, 2019 8:58:25 GMT
Who has moved and what have they moved ? Sir Jim Ratcliffe richest man in uk and brexit supporter is moving to monico Monaco isn't fully an EU country, not in trade agreements, it is the customs and Schengen territory. He's moving there as he's rich and it's nice and sunny, he was born in a shitty part of Oldham, made himself, he founded a company 20 years ago and is now worth £billions, no doubt helping British workers in employment on the way and still employing them. His stance on Brexit is more to do with the EU and its taxes stranglehold on companies like his, making them uncompetitive in the world market. I think he knows his onions better than the unelected committees in the EU on how to drive and make a business flourish in the world.
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Post by 3putts on Feb 21, 2019 13:49:21 GMT
When I grew up the only option was a reliant Robin 3 wheeler which were shit. Thankfully they changed the rules and my dad who was disabled (he lost a leg thru rheumatoid arthritus a legacy of working down the pit) was able to buy a battered old Morris 1300.this was a godsend and I am eternally grateful. But the system now is flawed you can buy a sports car using motorbility imo if you can get into a sports car then you aren't that disabled. But going back to my origanal point a lot of taxpayers money is going out of the UK to purchase these cars shouldn't we use taxpayers money to support British industry. £2billion a year is going out of the UK economy in wages being sent abroad, being sent back home to all the other lovely EU countries who send their workers here to take it away, but you are all for that being a part of the EU aren't you? and lets not forget they can get child benefits for their children as well even though they have never lived here just no point in trying to argue with someone who is so blind that they cannot see
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 14:04:53 GMT
£2billion a year is going out of the UK economy in wages being sent abroad, being sent back home to all the other lovely EU countries who send their workers here to take it away, but you are all for that being a part of the EU aren't you? and lets not forget they can get child benefits for their children as well even though they have never lived here just no point in trying to argue with someone who is so blind that they cannot see 🤣🤣 how fucking ironic can you get Best post this week Tickled to fuckety 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2019 20:31:57 GMT
A quiet lad, but Patrick often gets to the crux of the matter, in my opinion
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 21, 2019 22:13:30 GMT
Yes, since the referendum, Nossan and Honda have both said Brexit is one of the primary reasons they are moving some operations out of the UK I can't speak about Nossan as I don't know what that is. But what you have said about Honda is simply a blatent lie - you are doing this all the time these days. Why don't you provide a link to a single credible source which says what you have just written? As you know, Honda have U turned on the “nothing to do with Brexit nonsense. But you asked for a quote and a source and I will give you one: www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/21/honda-european-chief-outlined-no-deal-brexit-concerns-in-2018I quote Honda’s Motor Europe’s government affairs manager, Patrick Keating: Keating predicted that Brexit could interrupt crucial “just in time” delivery of 2m parts a day, 20% of which come from Europe and which allow smooth operation of the company’s supply chain. Brexit also raised the prospect of increased customs controls and paperwork, he said, warning that suppliers might have to fill out 60,000 customs declaration forms a year. He also pointed out that 20% of staff at Swindon were EU nationals and expressed concern about regulatory divergence that could force the company to carry out two differing sets of tests on vehicles. Keating said Honda’s requirements included tariff-free barriers, access to the EU’s free-trade agreements with other countries, access to talent and the ability to move staff from one country to another, a clear plan on regulations and a predictable Brexit process with a meaningful transition period.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 21, 2019 22:14:11 GMT
Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days. I don't doubt that. But it ain't why they are closing the factory in Swindon. Well it is one of the reasons
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 21, 2019 22:16:32 GMT
Ok. So when Honda said delays at the border after brexit to their 350 daily trucks that pass through, what were they referring to?
Honda told the Financial Times on Tuesday that it stored only enough parts to keep its Honda Civic production line in Swindon going for 36 hours. The car giant added it would need a warehouse the size of 42 football pitches to keep enough parts in stock to last for just nine days. who knows, as the CEO of Calais said they are well prepared for a no deal brexit and would keep traffic flowing both ways. what happened during the chunnel shut down after the fire, and ferry strikes etc. did they stockpile before those events - no. I don’t think ferry strikes or a fire require 60,000 customs declarations a year that Honda said they would need to do in the event we are not in a customs union with the EU after Brexit.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 21, 2019 22:20:44 GMT
When I grew up the only option was a reliant Robin 3 wheeler which were shit. Thankfully they changed the rules and my dad who was disabled (he lost a leg thru rheumatoid arthritus a legacy of working down the pit) was able to buy a battered old Morris 1300.this was a godsend and I am eternally grateful. But the system now is flawed you can buy a sports car using motorbility imo if you can get into a sports car then you aren't that disabled. But going back to my origanal point a lot of taxpayers money is going out of the UK to purchase these cars shouldn't we use taxpayers money to support British industry. £2billion a year is going out of the UK economy in wages being sent abroad, being sent back home to all the other lovely EU countries who send their workers here to take it away, but you are all for that being a part of the EU aren't you? and lets not forget they can get child benefits for their children as well even though they have never lived here You don’t see the issue with the richest man in Britain moving to monaco to not pay tax here (along with his two mates) to save apparently £4bn in tax but you criticise foreign workers paying tax here and spending money here but sending some to family back home!?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 21, 2019 22:32:23 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. Would be a great idea BUT... State aid is not allowed in the single market. So, we'd have to leave the single market to do it. ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.htmlState aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.Specifically prohibited; the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions.If we left it could be a goer. You could easily do it without falling foul of the state aid rules.
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Post by Northy on Feb 22, 2019 6:56:07 GMT
who knows, as the CEO of Calais said they are well prepared for a no deal brexit and would keep traffic flowing both ways. what happened during the chunnel shut down after the fire, and ferry strikes etc. did they stockpile before those events - no. I don’t think ferry strikes or a fire require 60,000 customs declarations a year that Honda said they would need to do in the event we are not in a customs union with the EU after Brexit. I see you've now put the word 'would' in, changed from might and could. Twisting things again.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 22, 2019 8:25:40 GMT
I'd give Heidi Allen a three-line whip any day of the week.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 22, 2019 9:57:35 GMT
I can't speak about Nossan as I don't know what that is. But what you have said about Honda is simply a blatent lie - you are doing this all the time these days. Why don't you provide a link to a single credible source which says what you have just written? As you know, Honda have U turned on the “nothing to do with Brexit nonsense. But you asked for a quote and a source and I will give you one: www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/21/honda-european-chief-outlined-no-deal-brexit-concerns-in-2018I quote Honda’s Motor Europe’s government affairs manager, Patrick Keating: Keating predicted that Brexit could interrupt crucial “just in time” delivery of 2m parts a day, 20% of which come from Europe and which allow smooth operation of the company’s supply chain. Brexit also raised the prospect of increased customs controls and paperwork, he said, warning that suppliers might have to fill out 60,000 customs declaration forms a year. He also pointed out that 20% of staff at Swindon were EU nationals and expressed concern about regulatory divergence that could force the company to carry out two differing sets of tests on vehicles. Keating said Honda’s requirements included tariff-free barriers, access to the EU’s free-trade agreements with other countries, access to talent and the ability to move staff from one country to another, a clear plan on regulations and a predictable Brexit process with a meaningful transition period. I'm sorry Oggy but I can't see anywhere in that article or in the quotes you have lifted from it that says Brexit is "one of the primary reasons" why the plant is closing. It's a factor, I'll accept that. But no more a factor than the 'zero tariff' agreement that the EU has made with Japan meaning cars can arrive directly from Japan and be sold just as cheaply as those which are assembled within the EU. So on that basis, if Brexit is to blame, then so is the EU. In fact, I wonder if the fact that the UK has such close ties with Japanese car companies was a factor in the EU suddenly being able to sign up to a deal which completely undermines the reason they were in the UK in the first place? Would this EU/Japan agreement have come in to place quite so quickly if it had the potential to cost thousands of jobs in France or Germany? I suspect it might not have.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 22, 2019 11:13:18 GMT
I don’t think ferry strikes or a fire require 60,000 customs declarations a year that Honda said they would need to do in the event we are not in a customs union with the EU after Brexit. I see you've now put the word 'would' in, changed from might and could. Twisting things again. It is not twisting things. If we have no deal they are estimating the level of customs declarations required based on what is coming in and out of the country. Would, could, might, whatever you want to say, 60,000 is a lot. These customs checks will hurt businesses. That’s one of the reasons crashing out in a month would be disasterous.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 22, 2019 11:16:02 GMT
As you know, Honda have U turned on the “nothing to do with Brexit nonsense. But you asked for a quote and a source and I will give you one: www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/21/honda-european-chief-outlined-no-deal-brexit-concerns-in-2018I quote Honda’s Motor Europe’s government affairs manager, Patrick Keating: Keating predicted that Brexit could interrupt crucial “just in time” delivery of 2m parts a day, 20% of which come from Europe and which allow smooth operation of the company’s supply chain. Brexit also raised the prospect of increased customs controls and paperwork, he said, warning that suppliers might have to fill out 60,000 customs declaration forms a year. He also pointed out that 20% of staff at Swindon were EU nationals and expressed concern about regulatory divergence that could force the company to carry out two differing sets of tests on vehicles. Keating said Honda’s requirements included tariff-free barriers, access to the EU’s free-trade agreements with other countries, access to talent and the ability to move staff from one country to another, a clear plan on regulations and a predictable Brexit process with a meaningful transition period. I'm sorry Oggy but I can't see anywhere in that article or in the quotes you have lifted from it that says Brexit is "one of the primary reasons" why the plant is closing. It's a factor, I'll accept that. But no more a factor than the 'zero tariff' agreement that the EU has made with Japan meaning cars can arrive directly from Japan and be sold just as cheaply as those which are assembled within the EU. So on that basis, if Brexit is to blame, then so is the EU. In fact, I wonder if the fact that the UK has such close ties with Japanese car companies was a factor in the EU suddenly being able to sign up to a deal which completely undermines the reason they were in the UK in the first place? Would this EU/Japan agreement have come in to place quite so quickly if it had the potential to cost thousands of jobs in France or Germany? I suspect it might not have. You’ve U turned too from brexit having nothing to do with their decision to being a factor. You also need to say that the UK used to have such close ties with Japanese car companies. Those close ties are quite rapidly disappearing, all since june 2016....now what happened then again??? Also, relocating part of your business and making thousands redundant and then hiring lots of new staff on the other side of the world to produce cars in Japan to export to the EU (with no tarriffs) is unlikely to be as cheap as maintaining the status quo of producing cars here where you have for many years (also with zero tarriffs).
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Feb 22, 2019 11:47:03 GMT
Dominc Raab saying the EU commissioners have agreed to the flow of lorries &aircraft to and from the EU if we leave on WTO terms as its mutually beneficial..
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Post by Davef on Feb 22, 2019 12:22:47 GMT
Dominc Raab saying the EU commissioners have agreed to the flow of lorries &aircraft to and from the EU if we leave on WTO terms as its mutually beneficial.. These are temporary measures announced by the EU back in December. Raab is wrong to the point of lying to suggest that this is a long term solution.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 22, 2019 19:44:13 GMT
You're banging your head against the wall foggy.. This bunch of right wing extremists on here will not be happy until we are totally isolated and regaining world control and invading foreign isles once again. So much horseshit in two small paragraphs 😂😂😂 This thread is chock full of far right UKIP and ERG opinions and articles. Followers of Rees Smog and Boris the Hun. We have become a nation of extremes. And we all know where that leads.
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Post by prettything on Feb 22, 2019 19:59:58 GMT
Please watch 10 minutes in.
Brexit in a nutshell.
Prices for food will go up .
Leaving with no deal, will mean WTO terms. This means tariffs will be implemented from the end of March. Guaranteed. On both sides.
We will be paying more.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 22, 2019 20:15:28 GMT
Please watch 10 minutes in. Brexit in a nutshell. Prices for food will go up . Leaving with no deal, will mean WTO terms. This means tariffs will be implemented from the end of March. Guaranteed. On both sides. We will be paying more. Yes... but it's nothing to do with economics and standard of living or pounds in you pocket or food banks. It's about taking back control. The people have voted. The status quo has well and truly been blown to bits by this unbelievable madness.
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Post by pearo on Feb 22, 2019 20:16:17 GMT
Please watch 10 minutes in. Brexit in a nutshell. Prices for food will go up . Leaving with no deal, will mean WTO terms. This means tariffs will be implemented from the end of March. Guaranteed. On both sides. We will be paying more. And it will be worth every penny as long as we are out.
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Post by prettything on Feb 22, 2019 20:19:00 GMT
Please watch 10 minutes in. Brexit in a nutshell. Prices for food will go up . Leaving with no deal, will mean WTO terms. This means tariffs will be implemented from the end of March. Guaranteed. On both sides. We will be paying more. And it will be worth every penny as long as we are out. Nor for me, my family and millions of others, who will be worse off.
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Post by prettything on Feb 22, 2019 20:20:58 GMT
Please watch 10 minutes in. Brexit in a nutshell. Prices for food will go up . Leaving with no deal, will mean WTO terms. This means tariffs will be implemented from the end of March. Guaranteed. On both sides. We will be paying more. Yes... but it's nothing to do with economics and standard of living or pounds in you pocket or food banks. It's about taking back control. The people have voted. The status quo has well and truly been blown to bits by this unbelievable madness. We already have called control. It’s not worth destroying our own lives and livelihoods for a myth .
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 22, 2019 20:21:11 GMT
Please watch 10 minutes in. Brexit in a nutshell. Prices for food will go up . Leaving with no deal, will mean WTO terms. This means tariffs will be implemented from the end of March. Guaranteed. On both sides. We will be paying more. And it will be worth every penny as long as we are out. Why?
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 22, 2019 20:22:38 GMT
Yes... but it's nothing to do with economics and standard of living or pounds in you pocket or food banks. It's about taking back control. The people have voted. The status quo has well and truly been blown to bits by this unbelievable madness. We already have called control. It’s not worth destroying our own lives and livelihoods for a myth . I know. I'm with you.
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Post by pearo on Feb 22, 2019 20:30:04 GMT
And it will be worth every penny as long as we are out. Why? If you even have to ask that question, you have obviously bought into the BBC, Sky News et al mass media Brexit Crisis scenario. Just one point for you to answer, there are over 10,000 unelected members of the EU that have an annual salary in excess of £50,000 more than any of our democratically elected MPs. Where do the EU raise this revenue from?
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Post by prettything on Feb 22, 2019 20:37:08 GMT
If you even have to ask that question, you have obviously bought into the BBC, Sky News et al mass media Brexit Crisis scenario. Just one point for you to answer, there are over 10,000 unelected members of the EU that have an annual salary in excess of £50,000 more than any of our democratically MPs. Where do the EU raise this revenue from? So your argument is bureaucracy of Europe? You are right. It needs reforming. But, surely you can’t feel so strongly that by leaving without a deal, it’s worth sacrificing your lively hood, even your children future ?
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Post by pearo on Feb 22, 2019 20:45:20 GMT
If you even have to ask that question, you have obviously bought into the BBC, Sky News et al mass media Brexit Crisis scenario. Just one point for you to answer, there are over 10,000 unelected members of the EU that have an annual salary in excess of £50,000 more than any of our democratically MPs. Where do the EU raise this revenue from? So your argument is bureaucracy of Europe? You are right. It needs reforming. But, surely you can’t feel so strongly that by leaving without a deal, it’s worth sacrificing your lively hood, even your children future ? I know I’m right, and I firmly believe that no deal is better than May’s deal, that we will flourish post Brexit and my lively hood and my children’s future will be stronger and more prosperous. Please don’t believe the scaremongers, all they want to do is keep us in the EU at any price, and unfortunately they will probably succeed with an extension to Article 50, but eventually the 17.4 million people of sound mind will prevail and we will be free of this self indulgent, money grabbing, cesspit of an organisation.
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Post by prettything on Feb 22, 2019 20:48:49 GMT
We won’t flourish with a no deal.
With a no deal, tariffs would be implemented. The price of food imported will go up, which means the cost of living would go up, whilst foreign investment will stall, due to it being more expensive to do business in this country.
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Post by pearo on Feb 22, 2019 20:58:42 GMT
We won’t flourish with a no deal. With a no deal, tariffs would be implemented. The price of food imported will go up, which means the cost of living would go up, whilst foreign investment will stall, due to it being more expensive to do business in this country. Looks like you’re believing the scaremongers
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 22, 2019 20:59:20 GMT
We won’t flourish with a no deal. With a no deal, tariffs would be implemented. The price of food imported will go up, which means the cost of living would go up, whilst foreign investment will stall, due to it being more expensive to do business in this country. We're losing jobs, finance and companies at the moment. Christ knows what it's going to be like in a few months time.
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