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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 20, 2019 12:27:24 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. Correct 3 and this is the kind of vision that we should have for agriculture, industry and workers post BREXIT. Unfortunately any positivity has been lost through the Remainer campaign
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Post by Davef on Feb 20, 2019 12:28:36 GMT
The value of the pound has changed a lot over the past three years - making us all a little poorer. Back in December 2015, £1 would buy you about €1.40. Today it will get you nearer €1.14. It has suffered a similar fate against most major currencies, losing about 15% of its value over that time linkif you open the link to the bbc article you will see some rather worrying figures about brexit etc and that's before we have even left!! fall in exports, rise in food costs etc. and some still say on here that brexit is a good thing with another 3500 jobs lost and a further 30000 potential losses from the support industries etc and this is only the tip of the iceberg to come. oh and what do we see key brexit supporters (rich) moving house lock stock and barrel to erm countries in the eu if the eu is so bad why are they moving there !! I'm not sure why you've brought the Honda job losses into the equation here, when they've explicitly said that Brexit isn't an issue. They've highlighted changes in the global automotive industry and its commitment to electrified cars. Incidentally, the German government last year warned that nearly between 75,000 and 100,000 jobs could be lost over the next ten years because of an increase in electrified and hybrid cars.
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2019 12:32:27 GMT
oh and what do we see key brexit supporters (rich) moving house lock stock and barrel to erm countries in the eu if the eu is so bad why are they moving there !! Who has moved and what have they moved ?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 20, 2019 12:35:09 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. Would be a great idea BUT... State aid is not allowed in the single market. So, we'd have to leave the single market to do it. ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.htmlState aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.Specifically prohibited; the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions.If we left it could be a goer. I read recently that Nissan had been in line for £80 million of government money........is that not state aid ?
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2019 12:37:53 GMT
Would be a great idea BUT... State aid is not allowed in the single market. So, we'd have to leave the single market to do it. ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.htmlState aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.Specifically prohibited; the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions.If we left it could be a goer. I read recently that Nissan had been in line for £80 million of government money........is that not state aid ? That was going to be post Brexit, tax or something
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 20, 2019 12:44:36 GMT
Would be a great idea BUT... State aid is not allowed in the single market. So, we'd have to leave the single market to do it. ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.htmlState aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.Specifically prohibited; the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions.If we left it could be a goer. I read recently that Nissan had been in line for £80 million of government money........is that not state aid ? Yes if it gives an unfair competitive advantage within the SM. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44120525 The USTR argued that European countries had given $22bn in state aid to Airbus to help launch its A380 and A350 jets, causing losses to US rival Boeing.The European Commission said most of the disputed support ended in 2011.
Depends on the definition of unfair and who cops the fallout it appears.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 20, 2019 13:22:49 GMT
I read recently that Nissan had been in line for £80 million of government money........is that not state aid ? Yes if it gives an unfair competitive advantage within the SM. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44120525 The USTR argued that European countries had given $22bn in state aid to Airbus to help launch its A380 and A350 jets, causing losses to US rival Boeing.The European Commission said most of the disputed support ended in 2011.
Depends on the definition of unfair and who cops the fallout it appears. Thing is Clayton this is where the UK have been taken for mugs. There are different incentives/ ways to offer state aid..... generally I think that we try to play by the rules....on big contracts/ decisions I would not trust the EU to make a ' fair' decision. This highlights the problem of being in competition with other countries while supposedly cooperating at the same time.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 20, 2019 13:43:21 GMT
Yes if it gives an unfair competitive advantage within the SM. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44120525 The USTR argued that European countries had given $22bn in state aid to Airbus to help launch its A380 and A350 jets, causing losses to US rival Boeing.The European Commission said most of the disputed support ended in 2011.
Depends on the definition of unfair and who cops the fallout it appears. Thing is Clayton this is where the UK have been taken for mugs. There are different incentives/ ways to offer state aid..... generally I think that we try to play by the rules....on big contracts/ decisions I would not trust the EU to make a ' fair' decision. This highlights the problem of being in competition with other countries while supposedly cooperating at the same time. Which is why the 'unfair competitive advantage' thing is so open to abuse. State Aid: Commission approves €377 million of French and German aid to develop innovative Airbus X6 helicopter The European Commission has approved under EU state aid rules €377 million of French and German support to develop the innovative Airbus X6 heavy helicopter. The project will significantly contribute to research and innovation in the EU without unduly distorting competition in the Single Market.Call it development and innovation and it's all OK. All states are equal, but some states are more equal than others, to paraphrase Orwell.
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 20, 2019 13:50:12 GMT
In my opinion it would be not be the best P.R. to issue a statement blaming the way a section of their customers voted in a referendum for the closure of a plant it would hardly push sales up would it? Just on the point of Honda give up you truly are beginning to stretch credibility That is your opinion (which i think is wrong)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 20, 2019 15:45:26 GMT
Just on the point of Honda give up you truly are beginning to stretch credibility That is your opinion (which i think is wrong)
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 15:58:04 GMT
A Tory Remainer on Politics Live, today, said party manifestos were "irrelevant"!
Fuck me bandy.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 20, 2019 16:11:46 GMT
A Tory Remainer on Politics Live, today, said party manifestos were "irrelevant"! Fuck me bandy.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 20, 2019 17:20:21 GMT
May I present to you Mongmentum's new candidate for the North of the Tyne Mayoral candidate. (yep that's a real job apparently).
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 20, 2019 19:38:54 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 20, 2019 20:23:59 GMT
We're taking back control though. Fantastic isn't it.
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Post by essexstokey on Feb 20, 2019 21:12:15 GMT
oh and what do we see key brexit supporters (rich) moving house lock stock and barrel to erm countries in the eu if the eu is so bad why are they moving there !! Who has moved and what have they moved ? Sir Jim Ratcliffe richest man in uk and brexit supporter is moving to monico
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 20, 2019 21:19:36 GMT
Who has moved and what have they moved ? Sir Jim Ratcliffe richest man in uk and brexit supporter is moving to monico My mate Jim has just retired and he's moved to Spain, nowt to do with Brexit, he likes the sunny weather and beaches.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 20, 2019 21:47:32 GMT
Strange that we have to take Honda's word that it's nothing to do with Brexit yet when Nissan say that uncertainty over Brexit did not help when making it's recent decision Brexiters say they are lying. I'm intrigued as to why the word of some companies is considered more trustworthy than others? We all believe whoever is on our side of the argument, Remain or Leave. But why would Honda remain silent if Brexit was a factor. They've been told keep their gob shut else we will impose an extra 20% import tariff on their products in a new structured trade deal with UK in two years time. 😊
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 21:51:13 GMT
We all believe whoever is on our side of the argument, Remain or Leave. But why would Honda remain silent if Brexit was a factor. They've been told keep their gob shut else we will impose an extra 20% import tariff on their products in a new structured trade deal with UK in two years time. 😊 Welcome back, Biggy!
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 20, 2019 21:55:33 GMT
They've been told keep their gob shut else we will impose an extra 20% import tariff on their products in a new structured trade deal with UK in two years time. 😊 Welcome back, Biggy! 👍
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 20, 2019 21:57:08 GMT
They've been told keep their gob shut else we will impose an extra 20% import tariff on their products in a new structured trade deal with UK in two years time. 😊 Welcome back, Biggy! 352 One system One victory
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 20, 2019 21:58:27 GMT
Good lad.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 20, 2019 22:02:13 GMT
Would be a great idea BUT... State aid is not allowed in the single market. So, we'd have to leave the single market to do it. ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.htmlState aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities.Specifically prohibited; the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions.If we left it could be a goer. I read recently that Nissan had been in line for £80 million of government money........is that not state aid ? You're banging your head against the wall foggy.. This bunch of right wing extremists on here will not be happy until we are totally isolated and regaining world control and invading foreign isles once again.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 20, 2019 22:03:59 GMT
May I present to you Mongmentum's new candidate for the North of the Tyne Mayoral candidate. (yep that's a real job apparently). He is simplified simple
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Post by 3putts on Feb 20, 2019 22:22:36 GMT
if we had a strong government we could build a new car plant producing all electric cars.yes they would have to borrow a huge amount of money but this would all be paid back in time.it would be a massive boost to the uk manufacturing industry. and we could change the way the motobility payments are made so that they have to buy one of these uk produced all electric cars. That’s a little disturbing The thought of using the disabled as guinea pigs Being disabled myself I chose not to have a car but I know many who do the one thing I noticed is that people need many different cars as everyone’s needs and families are not the same When I grew up the only option was a reliant Robin 3 wheeler which were shit. Thankfully they changed the rules and my dad who was disabled (he lost a leg thru rheumatoid arthritus a legacy of working down the pit) was able to buy a battered old Morris 1300.this was a godsend and I am eternally grateful. But the system now is flawed you can buy a sports car using motorbility imo if you can get into a sports car then you aren't that disabled. But going back to my origanal point a lot of taxpayers money is going out of the UK to purchase these cars shouldn't we use taxpayers money to support British industry.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2019 7:32:37 GMT
Another advantage of Brexit for me is that it has exposed and is exposing how bad our existing politicians are. Satisfied to do a well paid job with perks until they have to deal with something outside their " administrative, party line comfort zone"
Check out @standup4brexit’s Tweet:
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 21, 2019 7:45:23 GMT
That’s a little disturbing The thought of using the disabled as guinea pigs Being disabled myself I chose not to have a car but I know many who do the one thing I noticed is that people need many different cars as everyone’s needs and families are not the same When I grew up the only option was a reliant Robin 3 wheeler which were shit. Thankfully they changed the rules and my dad who was disabled (he lost a leg thru rheumatoid arthritus a legacy of working down the pit) was able to buy a battered old Morris 1300.this was a godsend and I am eternally grateful. But the system now is flawed you can buy a sports car using motorbility imo if you can get into a sports car then you aren't that disabled. But going back to my origanal point a lot of taxpayers money is going out of the UK to purchase these cars shouldn't we use taxpayers money to support British industry. Yes I agree I would like the taxpayers money to be spent in the uk All I was doing was pointing out a small flaw in the idea that some people need totally different cars to meet there needs saloons/ estates / converted vans ECT
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Post by thevoid on Feb 21, 2019 8:13:06 GMT
I read recently that Nissan had been in line for £80 million of government money........is that not state aid ? You're banging your head against the wall foggy.. This bunch of right wing extremists on here will not be happy until we are totally isolated and regaining world control and invading foreign isles once again. So much horseshit in two small paragraphs 😂😂😂
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Post by thevoid on Feb 21, 2019 8:18:48 GMT
Who has moved and what have they moved ? Sir Jim Ratcliffe richest man in uk and brexit supporter is moving to monico This Monico place must be exclusive as it isn't on any map. I wonder if they'll bid to host a Grand Pricks there? Perhaps this Monico is a 'tacks havon'?
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Post by Northy on Feb 21, 2019 8:43:22 GMT
That’s a little disturbing The thought of using the disabled as guinea pigs Being disabled myself I chose not to have a car but I know many who do the one thing I noticed is that people need many different cars as everyone’s needs and families are not the same When I grew up the only option was a reliant Robin 3 wheeler which were shit. Thankfully they changed the rules and my dad who was disabled (he lost a leg thru rheumatoid arthritus a legacy of working down the pit) was able to buy a battered old Morris 1300.this was a godsend and I am eternally grateful. But the system now is flawed you can buy a sports car using motorbility imo if you can get into a sports car then you aren't that disabled. But going back to my origanal point a lot of taxpayers money is going out of the UK to purchase these cars shouldn't we use taxpayers money to support British industry. £2billion a year is going out of the UK economy in wages being sent abroad, being sent back home to all the other lovely EU countries who send their workers here to take it away, but you are all for that being a part of the EU aren't you? and lets not forget they can get child benefits for their children as well even though they have never lived here
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