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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 19, 2019 8:02:21 GMT
Jut corrected it for you Sort of. I've no bones with the EU introducing emission regulations. Actually, I'm all for it. It's one of the things the EU can be very good for. Maybe it is time for some sort of emissions controls but rather than dress it up all the time with flowers and honey They should tell the brutal truth that in time hundreds of thousands of people will lose there jobs because of it
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 19, 2019 8:22:26 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 19, 2019 8:26:57 GMT
Oh dear that doesn’t suit the narrative Bbc already sound a touch less keen on the story And Chanel four will have gone into mourning That’s after they’ve worked out how to blame brexit shomehow
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 8:32:42 GMT
Sort of. I've no bones with the EU introducing emission regulations. Actually, I'm all for it. It's one of the things the EU can be very good for. Maybe it is time for some sort of emissions controls but rather than dress it up all the time with flowers and honey They should tell the brutal truth that in time hundreds of thousands of people will lose there jobs because of it Jobs change as demand changes. Old jobs go, new ones come in. So no need for cataclysmic forecasts of job losses. The net effect will be zero.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 19, 2019 8:41:13 GMT
Maybe it is time for some sort of emissions controls but rather than dress it up all the time with flowers and honey They should tell the brutal truth that in time hundreds of thousands of people will lose there jobs because of it Jobs change as demand changes. Old jobs go, new ones come in. So no need for cataclysmic forecasts of job losses. The net effect will be zero. The net effect may well end up as zero But that doesn’t alter the fact that people may lose there jobs and be to old or not have the right skills to get a job with comparable wages Whilst the common good is desirable Personal suffering in delivering it shouldn’t be swept under the carpet
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 19, 2019 9:07:41 GMT
Honda leaving Swindon. V sad days... Project fear becoming project fact? No because even the usually biased media were at pains to say production was being relocated back to JAPAN and no where else in Europe in order to assist Honda in adjusting to global changes in the car market. Good effort though for promoting project fear.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 9:58:01 GMT
Project fear becoming project fact? Nope - still project Fear. Honda's decision would have been the same with no Brexit. Why? Because the new EU trade deal with Japan sets export tariffs on cars to zero. So Honda is consolidating manufacture back in Japan. Fair enough. But nowt to do with Brexit. Wrong. Had we been a benefactor of that trade deal why would companies spend money moving back to Japan and making loads of people redundant and then finding new people to fill those jobs in Japan? No Brexit would mean these types of job losses would be avoided.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 9:59:00 GMT
Project fear becoming project fact? No because even the usually biased media were at pains to say production was being relocated back to JAPAN and no where else in Europe in order to assist Honda in adjusting to global changes in the car market. Good effort though for promoting project fear. Why would they build new factories in the EU when they have ready made infrastructure in Japan and a zero tariff trade deal with the EU?
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:06:04 GMT
A second referendum with the only two options: 1. Leave with no deal. 2. Remain. We all know without doubt what we are voting for. Leave would smash it, that's why that option would never happen. That’s a really good solution to Parliament’s incompetence
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:07:47 GMT
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. It’s the biggest economy on earth. So it has power. It Accounts for a disproportionately large percentage of global trade. It’s the world leader on human rights and loads of international areas with the biggest global financial and legal systems. Its the world leader of employment rights. A world leader on science and innovation in loads of areas. It is massively influential as a bloc and certainly more influential than each individual member state when negotiating with the nations you have listed. That’s the key point. Most of that is irrelevant codswallop Are you saying that money and economic might doesn’t equal power?
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Post by pearo on Feb 19, 2019 10:08:44 GMT
No because even the usually biased media were at pains to say production was being relocated back to JAPAN and no where else in Europe in order to assist Honda in adjusting to global changes in the car market. Good effort though for promoting project fear. Why would they build new factories in the EU when they have ready made infrastructure in Japan and a zero tariff trade deal with the EU? Exactly! Nothing at all to do with Brexit.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:09:39 GMT
The EU has no influence over global matters, it's the largest nations , Russian , china , USA, India , all the rest is just hot air and wishful thinking I missed this yesterday jeez its laughable the EU is a trading block with ideas above its station. It has no power, no seat on the UN, no army yet . After the skipal attack it was EU members who took action not the EU. How did the EU got on in the Ukraine..... How did anyone get on with Ukraine? If you think the biggest tariff free market on earth has no power you are utterly naive.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:11:57 GMT
Why would they build new factories in the EU when they have ready made infrastructure in Japan and a zero tariff trade deal with the EU? Exactly! Nothing at all to do with Brexit. . We won’t be party to the trade deal with Japan as we are leaving the EU. So the Japanese companies can move these jobs back to Japan where they have existing infrastructure or rebuild from scratch inside the EU. Had Brexit not been on the cards, they would have just stayed here as it costs millions to have mass redundancy and then relocate jobs and extend current infrastructure in Japan
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Post by desman2 on Feb 19, 2019 10:15:07 GMT
Go and have a look at the veg section in one of the supermarkets. Yesterday I found the majotrity were not of EU origin. The Peruvians, Mexicans and quite a few countries on the African continent were the names that shone out. Or maybe theyve joined the EU in some sneaky way.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:15:12 GMT
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. It’s the biggest economy on earth. So it has power. It Accounts for a disproportionately large percentage of global trade. It’s the world leader on human rights and loads of international areas with the biggest global financial and legal systems. Its the world leader of employment rights. A world leader on science and innovation in loads of areas. It is massively influential as a bloc and certainly more influential than each individual member state when negotiating with the nations you have listed. That’s the key point. Great Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark etc... were world leaders in human rights, legal systems, science & innovation etc... long before the EU was even thought of. It's baffling how you think that Europe was some backwater shithole lagging behind everywhere else on Earth untill the glorious EU came along. I don’t. But do you think each individual country you have listed could possibly have the influence and power and innovation of the US, China etc? No chance. Together the strong are stronger.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:18:08 GMT
Go and have a look at the veg section in one of the supermarkets. Yesterday I found the majotrity were not of EU origin. The Peruvians, Mexicans and quite a few countries on the African continent were the names that shone out. Or maybe theyve joined the EU in some sneaky way. Or maybe it is done cheap because of the EU trade deal with the likes of Peru, Columbia and there is a trade deal agreed but not finalised with Mexico. There are also talks of an eu and african trade deal that would be continent wide. There are already of course existing agreements of minimised trade tariffs with many individual african countries already. But you knew that?
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Post by desman2 on Feb 19, 2019 10:18:38 GMT
Great Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark etc... were world leaders in human rights, legal systems, science & innovation etc... long before the EU was even thought of. It's baffling how you think that Europe was some backwater shithole lagging behind everywhere else on Earth untill the glorious EU came along. I don’t. But do you think each individual country you have listed could possibly have the influence and power and innovation of the US, China etc? No chance. Together the strong are stronger. In a way you are correct. If it were 27 independent nations with democratically elected governments cooperating id have no problem. The fact that its not that is where I have the problem.
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Post by pearo on Feb 19, 2019 10:21:15 GMT
Exactly! Nothing at all to do with Brexit. . We won’t be party to the trade deal with Japan as we are leaving the EU. So the Japanese companies can move these jobs back to Japan where they have existing infrastructure or rebuild from scratch inside the EU. Had Brexit not been on the cards, they would have just stayed here as it costs millions to have mass redundancy and then relocate jobs and extend current infrastructure in Japan Honda has two factories in the EU zone, one is a logistics distribution centre ( no manufacturing ), the other produces motorcycle parts. So it looks like Honda will now move their car manufacturing back to Japan thanks to the EU no tariff deal. Nothing to do with Brexit, as Honda CEO has all ready stated, but I’m happy for you that you know better.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:21:25 GMT
I don’t. But do you think each individual country you have listed could possibly have the influence and power and innovation of the US, China etc? No chance. Together the strong are stronger. In a way you are correct. If it were 27 independent nations with democratically elected governments cooperating id have no problem. The fact that its not that is where I have the problem. I agree. Hungary are pushing the limits of rule of law and the EU have rightly pubished them for that. All member states have democratically elected governments.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2019 10:22:00 GMT
. We won’t be party to the trade deal with Japan as we are leaving the EU. So the Japanese companies can move these jobs back to Japan where they have existing infrastructure or rebuild from scratch inside the EU. Had Brexit not been on the cards, they would have just stayed here as it costs millions to have mass redundancy and then relocate jobs and extend current infrastructure in Japan Honda has two factories in the EU zone, one is a logistics distribution centre ( no manufacturing ), the other produces motorcycle parts. So it looks like Honda will now move their car manufacturing back to Japan thanks to the EU no tariff deal. Nothing to do with Brexit, as Honda CEO has all ready stated, but I’m happy for you that you know better. I believe Honda more than you as to why Honda are moving.
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2019 10:26:53 GMT
Maybe it is time for some sort of emissions controls but rather than dress it up all the time with flowers and honey They should tell the brutal truth that in time hundreds of thousands of people will lose there jobs because of it Jobs change as demand changes. Old jobs go, new ones come in. So no need for cataclysmic forecasts of job losses. The net effect will be zero. Lets hope the plant can be kept and used for something other than warehousing, a factory for electrical vehicles or battery production, alternative power research facilities or something of the ilk, Britain should be looking to take a huge step on this with its manufacturing and technology background
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Post by pearo on Feb 19, 2019 10:27:00 GMT
Honda has two factories in the EU zone, one is a logistics distribution centre ( no manufacturing ), the other produces motorcycle parts. So it looks like Honda will now move their car manufacturing back to Japan thanks to the EU no tariff deal. Nothing to do with Brexit, as Honda CEO has all ready stated, but I’m happy for you that you know better. I believe Honda more than you as to why Honda are moving. Glad to hear it, so as Honda Senior Vice-President in Europe says the move has nothing to do with Brexit why do your posts imply that Brexit is a factor, or don’t you really believe him?
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2019 10:32:46 GMT
Great Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark etc... were world leaders in human rights, legal systems, science & innovation etc... long before the EU was even thought of. It's baffling how you think that Europe was some backwater shithole lagging behind everywhere else on Earth untill the glorious EU came along. I don’t. But do you think each individual country you have listed could possibly have the influence and power and innovation of the US, China etc? No chance. Together the strong are stronger.Sounds like a quote from Kim Jong-um No mention of democracy and the ability to vote out the EU hierarchy and its hidden committees ?
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 10:33:51 GMT
Nope - still project Fear. Honda's decision would have been the same with no Brexit. Why? Because the new EU trade deal with Japan sets export tariffs on cars to zero. So Honda is consolidating manufacture back in Japan. Fair enough. But nowt to do with Brexit. Wrong. Had we been a benefactor of that trade deal why would companies spend money moving back to Japan and making loads of people redundant and then finding new people to fill those jobs in Japan? No Brexit would mean these types of job losses would be avoided. 2002 - production of the Accord in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan 2014 - production of the Jazz in Swindon stopped with production moved back to Japan Are you spotting a trend...
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 19, 2019 11:14:20 GMT
In a way you are correct. If it were 27 independent nations with democratically elected governments cooperating id have no problem. The fact that its not that is where I have the problem. I agree. Hungary are pushing the limits of rule of law and the EU have rightly pubished them for that. All member states have democratically elected governments. The Hungarian government is directly doing what its electorate gave as a democratic mandate So does that mean you only believe in democracy when you agree with the direction
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 19, 2019 11:18:53 GMT
Honda has two factories in the EU zone, one is a logistics distribution centre ( no manufacturing ), the other produces motorcycle parts. So it looks like Honda will now move their car manufacturing back to Japan thanks to the EU no tariff deal. Nothing to do with Brexit, as Honda CEO has all ready stated, but I’m happy for you that you know better. I believe Honda more than you as to why Honda are moving. I think "project deny"is now brexiteers answer to everything head in the sand and deny facts.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2019 11:19:23 GMT
Great Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark etc... were world leaders in human rights, legal systems, science & innovation etc... long before the EU was even thought of. It's baffling how you think that Europe was some backwater shithole lagging behind everywhere else on Earth untill the glorious EU came along. I don’t. But do you think each individual country you have listed could possibly have the influence and power and innovation of the US, China etc? No chance. Together the strong are stronger. How did you get on researching Soft Power, Oggy? Not very well by the look of it. Perhaps you didn't bother.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 19, 2019 11:19:35 GMT
Honda has two factories in the EU zone, one is a logistics distribution centre ( no manufacturing ), the other produces motorcycle parts. So it looks like Honda will now move their car manufacturing back to Japan thanks to the EU no tariff deal. Nothing to do with Brexit, as Honda CEO has all ready stated, but I’m happy for you that you know better. I believe Honda more than you as to why Honda are moving. Good you believe Honda Honda says this is nothing to do with brexit at all Which bit of honda’s statement are you struggling with Why don’t you just admit in the case of Honda you are wrong Being able to admit a mistake will in the end make you a better person
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2019 11:25:01 GMT
I believe Honda more than you as to why Honda are moving. I think "project deny"is now brexiteers answer to everything head in the sand and deny facts. " Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of demand of our customers and legislation. " This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about." You'd better try to have a word Skem. He's way too far off message isn't he? He can't go around spouting the truth like this. Think of the damage it could do to Project Fear and paranoid, small minded remainers such as yourself and Oggy. BBC Link
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Post by 4372 on Feb 19, 2019 12:33:23 GMT
It is of course possible that Honda management is saying one thing in public,and another in their own boardroom.
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