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Post by foster on Sept 24, 2019 13:39:12 GMT
If a majority of the public is both pro-Brexit and disallusioned with Parliament then Johnson goes into the next GE as Mr Brexit. That stacks the deck in his favour for the longer term no matter how bad the news looks for him today. I would like to think so, but ever wondered why the Remainers have joined forces but the Leavers haven't? I smell a rat. Because no self respecting government would join forces with the BP and Farage. If Lib Dems were supporting leave then they'd have joined forces with the Tories no problem.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 24, 2019 13:40:03 GMT
You mean except parliament having the power to vote down the government of course. Parliament wont vote for a deal, wont vote for no deal, wont vote to revoke all they want to do is delay and bring in laws written in conjunction with the EU lawyers to force more delays, it will be absolutely glorious when this bunch of self serving bastards meet the ballot box Parliament can't vote down or even with the government if it's not in session as a result of a prorogation. This goes beyond Brexit into the precedent this would set for future deadlocks in parliament. No it doesn't how many days notice was given of prorogation last time ? They had enough time to make up a law and pass it through both houses, a vote of no confidence could be done in considerably less time. Bercow and this parliament have already set many more dangerous precedents.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2019 13:44:26 GMT
I think the radio presenter could have been more pleasant in how he spoke to the caller tbh. Seemed a bit condescending imo. I think it's common knowledge that leavers are more interested in leaving than in Boris and his antics, but with no one else they can realistically back to deliver it there's no other alternative really. Unless of course they start changing their opinions and switch to remain, which I believe is something Starkiller has started to consider. I just thought it was a perfect answer to your original question ... the caller essentially said that Johnson could do anything, absolutely ANYTHING (save for murdering somebody) and he would still unequivocally support him.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 13:47:29 GMT
I would like to think so, but ever wondered why the Remainers have joined forces but the Leavers haven't? I smell a rat. Because no self respecting government would join forces with the BP and Farage. If Lib Dems were supporting leave then they'd have joined forces with the Tories no problem. Why not, just for the purpose of getting the Brexit they supposedly want? They got in bed with the D.U.P. willingly enough?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2019 13:48:55 GMT
Steve Baker refusing to back Cummings, saying that a decision on whether he continues in his job is really a matter for the prime minister.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 13:49:06 GMT
I think the radio presenter could have been more pleasant in how he spoke to the caller tbh. Seemed a bit condescending imo. I think it's common knowledge that leavers are more interested in leaving than in Boris and his antics, but with no one else they can realistically back to deliver it there's no other alternative really. Unless of course they start changing their opinions and switch to remain, which I believe is something Starkiller has started to consider. I just thought it was a perfect answer to your original question ... the caller essentially said that Johnson could do anything, absolutely ANYTHING (save for murdering somebody) and he would still unequivocally support him. Jezza has a few fans like that, as does Swinson.
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Post by foster on Sept 24, 2019 13:49:55 GMT
I think the radio presenter could have been more pleasant in how he spoke to the caller tbh. Seemed a bit condescending imo. I think it's common knowledge that leavers are more interested in leaving than in Boris and his antics, but with no one else they can realistically back to deliver it there's no other alternative really. Unless of course they start changing their opinions and switch to remain, which I believe is something Starkiller has started to consider. I just thought it was a perfect answer to your original question ... the caller essentially said that Johnson could do anything, absolutely ANYTHING (save for murdering somebody) and he would still unequivocally support him. I know you were just answering my question mate. Though I don't think the caller said that either. He said he wouldn't go that far when the presenter came up with the murder example. He said he'd overlook the lies and cheating as Boris is the only realistic candidate for delivering Brexit. What I liked was that the caller acknowledged that he didn't like Boris, which is something many leavers don't do. To be fair, there are issues with Corbyn and Milky Jugs Swinson, but people will vote for them purely for remain.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2019 13:51:00 GMT
I just thought it was a perfect answer to your original question ... the caller essentially said that Johnson could do anything, absolutely ANYTHING (save for murdering somebody) and he would still unequivocally support him. Jezza has a few fans like that, as does Swinson. Oh no doubt ...
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Post by Davef on Sept 24, 2019 13:51:39 GMT
Frank Skinner would have more credibility that Boris Frank Spencer would have more credibility than Boris.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2019 13:53:34 GMT
BBC: Johnson flying back this evening.
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Post by foster on Sept 24, 2019 13:53:40 GMT
Frank Skinner would have more credibility that Boris Frank Spencer would have more credibility than Boris. Bud Spencer would have more credibility than Boris. Liking this new game.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2019 13:55:24 GMT
Frank Spencer would have more credibility than Boris. Bud Spencer would have more credibility than Boris. Liking this new game. Pretty sure Paul Spencer wouldn't! 😁
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Post by Davef on Sept 24, 2019 13:57:05 GMT
BBC: Johnson flying back this evening. By the seat of his pants?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 14:11:44 GMT
The state of that bastard Blackford. Can't wait until he gets his independence, the fat fuck.
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 24, 2019 14:21:08 GMT
The state of that bastard Blackford. Can't wait until he gets his independence, the fat fuck. Ah yes, Ian Blackford. The man who does more talking in the house than anyone else yet nobody gives a flying fuck about him or the SNP.
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Post by foster on Sept 24, 2019 14:27:47 GMT
The state of that bastard Blackford. Can't wait until he gets his independence, the fat fuck. Ah yes, Ian Blackford. The man who does more talking in the house than anyone else yet nobody gives a flying fuck about him or the SNP. He'd make a good town crier to be fair. I don't know much about him but what he says about Boris seems pretty accurate to me (in the main).
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 14:34:38 GMT
Ah yes, Ian Blackford. The man who does more talking in the house than anyone else yet nobody gives a flying fuck about him or the SNP. He'd make a good town crier to be fair. I don't know much about him but what he says about Boris seems pretty accurate to me (in the main). I'll fill you in. He's a cock.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 15:08:52 GMT
After Cox's cock up, was Bozzer acting in good faith after all?
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Post by lordb on Sept 24, 2019 16:35:31 GMT
He'd make a good town crier to be fair. I don't know much about him but what he says about Boris seems pretty accurate to me (in the main). I'll fill you in. He's a cock. Which makes him wrong about Johnson?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 17:06:52 GMT
I'll fill you in. He's a cock. Which makes him wrong about Johnson? No. But did he play ball with May? Would he have cooperated with the Tories if they had reached out to the rest of the house? Some MPs would, from all parties, but I doubt he'd be one of them. He's only keen on Scottish independence.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 17:34:10 GMT
Anyone find it a bit strange that the former Attorney General wasn't clued up on the law? This is the same man whose judgement was awaited with bated breath when May's WA was being debated.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 24, 2019 17:45:08 GMT
So now that the coup has been thwarted and parliamentary democracy restored what exactly are this parliament going to do. They’ve already forced Johnson to ask for an extension. What next?
VONC? Nope. General Election? Nope. 2nd ref? Nope. Revoke? Nope.
I’m not a fan of Boris or his ‘tactics’ but I’m not exactly delighted that parliament is back in control. Not this parliament anyway.
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Post by zerps on Sept 24, 2019 17:47:04 GMT
So now that the coup has been thwarted and parliamentary democracy restored what exactly are this parliament going to do. They’ve already forced Johnson to ask for an extension. What next? VONC? Nope. General Election? Nope. 2nd ref? Nope. Revoke? Nope. I’m not a fan of Boris or his ‘tactics’ but I’m not exactly delighted that parliament is back in control. Not this parliament anyway. The courts are in control. Absolute madness.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 24, 2019 17:48:36 GMT
So now that the coup has been thwarted and parliamentary democracy restored what exactly are this parliament going to do. They’ve already forced Johnson to ask for an extension. What next? VONC? Nope. General Election? Nope. 2nd ref? Nope. Revoke? Nope. I’m not a fan of Boris or his ‘tactics’ but I’m not exactly delighted that parliament is back in control. Not this parliament anyway. Should have added they also won’t vote for May’s deal.
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Post by M on Sept 24, 2019 17:51:47 GMT
It's got to be the WA or bust for Boris though? Can't get that through and it's game over. He's got to ask for a delay and he'd then be toast.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 17:52:47 GMT
So now that the coup has been thwarted and parliamentary democracy restored what exactly are this parliament going to do. They’ve already forced Johnson to ask for an extension. What next? VONC? Nope. General Election? Nope. 2nd ref? Nope. Revoke? Nope. I’m not a fan of Boris or his ‘tactics’ but I’m not exactly delighted that parliament is back in control. Not this parliament anyway. At the very best they back a "soft" Brexit, that isn't really Brexit at all. Who knows what their worst is? They can paint it how they want to, but they have essentially shit on the referendum result.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 24, 2019 17:53:15 GMT
So now that the coup has been thwarted and parliamentary democracy restored what exactly are this parliament going to do. They’ve already forced Johnson to ask for an extension. What next? VONC? Nope. General Election? Nope. 2nd ref? Nope. Revoke? Nope. I’m not a fan of Boris or his ‘tactics’ but I’m not exactly delighted that parliament is back in control. Not this parliament anyway. The courts are in control. Absolute madness. To be fair, I think it’s absolutely right that the courts decided on this matter. I’m pissed off because parliament won’t make a decision. The usual constitutional practice in this type of situation would be a GE. If parliament are too scared of an election at least put it back to the people in a 2nd ref.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 17:54:50 GMT
It's got to be the WA or bust for Boris though? Can't get that through and it's game over. He's got to ask for a delay and he'd then be toast. Why? He could say he didn't want to, but had been forced. Parliament wanted a delay, after all.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 24, 2019 17:58:16 GMT
The courts are in control. Absolute madness. To be fair, I think it’s absolutely right that the courts decided on this matter. I’m pissed off because parliament won’t make a decision. The usual constitutional practice in this type of situation would be a GE. If parliament are too scared of an election at least put it back to the people in a 2nd ref. A referendum, or a referendum in all but name? No, fuck that. Sit in parliament until you come up with a deal, if that was your intention. If not, where is the legal action to force them to? That's the road we have gone down now.
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Post by M on Sept 24, 2019 17:58:40 GMT
It's got to be the WA or bust for Boris though? Can't get that through and it's game over. He's got to ask for a delay and he'd then be toast. Why? He could say he didn't want to, but had been forced. Parliament wanted a delay, after all. "Dead in a ditch" "no ifs or buts" I mean I know he's a pathological liar but there's no credibility there whatsoever is there no matter how much we try and deflect it on to the rest of the house or opposition...
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