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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 16:18:20 GMT
Didn't the same voiceless majority also vote in the current parliament that is deciding the final destination of Brexit? The establishment clearly need a heftier book of tricks, as we are far closer to a no deal Brexit now than we were in 2016. Unless of course, that is exactly what the establishment wants..... You mean the current parliament that campaigned on a promise to deliver Brexit? How anyone can't see that the establishment are fucking the electorate is quite incredible really. That's the one. The current parliament who voted with a huge majority not to revoke article 50. Unfortunately that vote not to overturn Brexit was followed by a series of votes that told us that this parliament cannot make up its fucking mind.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 20, 2019 16:26:15 GMT
You mean the current parliament that campaigned on a promise to deliver Brexit? How anyone can't see that the establishment are fucking the electorate is quite incredible really. That's the one. The current parliament who voted with a huge majority not to revoke article 50. Unfortunately that vote not to overturn Brexit was followed by a series of votes that told us that this parliament cannot make up its fucking mind. It was followed by a series of votes that was determined to thwart Brexit. Parliament shouldn't even be considering making it's fucking mind up it should be delivering what the plebs voted for. I think the judgement of the Supreme Court next week will confirm what an establishment stitch up this process has been for the last 3 and a bit years.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 16:40:28 GMT
That's the one. The current parliament who voted with a huge majority not to revoke article 50. Unfortunately that vote not to overturn Brexit was followed by a series of votes that told us that this parliament cannot make up its fucking mind. It was followed by a series of votes that was determined to thwart Brexit. Parliament shouldn't even be considering making it's fucking mind up it should be delivering what the plebs voted for. I think the judgement of the Supreme Court next week will confirm what an establishment stitch up this process has been for the last 3 and a bit years. The "plebs" voted to leave. That's what we're in the process of doing, albeit making a balls up of the negotiating. The "plebs" have never been consulted om the finer details of the mechanisms of leaving. That was left to the parliament which the "plebs" voted in.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 20, 2019 17:23:45 GMT
It was followed by a series of votes that was determined to thwart Brexit. Parliament shouldn't even be considering making it's fucking mind up it should be delivering what the plebs voted for. I think the judgement of the Supreme Court next week will confirm what an establishment stitch up this process has been for the last 3 and a bit years. The "plebs" voted to leave. That's what we're in the process of doing, albeit making a balls up of the negotiating. The "plebs" have never been consulted om the finer details of the mechanisms of leaving. That was left to the parliament which the "plebs" voted in. Exactly, at the risk of going around in circles they were happy to vote to leave despite the hysterical scaremongering from the establishment. What do the establishment do? They install a committed remainer to lead the country who in turn selects a committed remainer civil servant to 'negotiate' our departure from the EU whilst a genuine Eurosceptic, David Davis who was supposedly the 'Brexit Secretary' is left out of these 'negotiations'. It's fucking comical and quite frankly disturbing how some are so happy to be fucked by the establishment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 17:50:28 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ...
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 18:11:59 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ... Their stance is sanctions not words are needed, the EU tried to get round USA sanctions on Iran, refused to help with protecting shipping so yeah I agree the EU are pretty dispicable on this.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 18:17:26 GMT
The "plebs" voted to leave. That's what we're in the process of doing, albeit making a balls up of the negotiating. The "plebs" have never been consulted om the finer details of the mechanisms of leaving. That was left to the parliament which the "plebs" voted in. Exactly, at the risk of going around in circles they were happy to vote to leave despite the hysterical scaremongering from the establishment. What do the establishment do? They install a committed remainer to lead the country who in turn selects a committed remainer civil servant to 'negotiate' our departure from the EU whilst a genuine Eurosceptic, David Davis who was supposedly the 'Brexit Secretary' is left out of these 'negotiations'. It's fucking comical and quite frankly disturbing how some are so happy to be fucked by the establishment. The establishment installed a remainer as PM, then left it just long enough to bring in a no deal Brexiteer to take the role at the PERFECT time to allow a no deal with the least parliamentary scrutiny possible (five week Tory leadership campaign, followed by five week summer recess, followed by proroguing).
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 18:20:01 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ... Their stance is sanctions not words are needed, the EU tried to get round USA sanctions on Iran, refused to help with protecting shipping so yeah I agree the EU are pretty dispicable on this. Why not sanctions AND wordS?
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 20, 2019 18:27:04 GMT
Exactly, at the risk of going around in circles they were happy to vote to leave despite the hysterical scaremongering from the establishment. What do the establishment do? They install a committed remainer to lead the country who in turn selects a committed remainer civil servant to 'negotiate' our departure from the EU whilst a genuine Eurosceptic, David Davis who was supposedly the 'Brexit Secretary' is left out of these 'negotiations'. It's fucking comical and quite frankly disturbing how some are so happy to be fucked by the establishment. The establishment installed a remainer as PM, then left it just long enough to bring in a no deal Brexiteer to take the role at the PERFECT time to allow a no deal with the least parliamentary scrutiny possible (five week Tory leadership campaign, followed by five week summer recess, followed by proroguing). May was elected unopposed because all her challengers just dropped out of the leadership contest for some reason or another . It was a bit of a problem that the establishment didn't have the final say in the new PM but I'm sure they will enjoy their retribution.
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 20, 2019 18:39:18 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ... Some hostage stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially ones with a supposed background in journalism. This one has a whiff of secret service written about her. From her Wikipedia page: "Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager with the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the Canadian news agency Thomson Reuters' charitable arm, travelled to Iran on 17 March 2016 to visit her family for Nowruz (Iranian New Year) with her 22-month-old daughter Gabriella. On 3 April 2016, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard arrested her at the Imam Khomeini Airport as she and her daughter were about to board a flight back to the UK" Sounds r8 dodgy to Mendicant. If I'm right, and if the Brexit Party are anti-establishment, they might have good reason for what they've done.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 18:44:06 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ... Their stance is sanctions not words are needed, the EU tried to get round USA sanctions on Iran, refused to help with protecting shipping so yeah I agree the EU are pretty dispicable on this. There really is no shame is there? A desperate British citizen is looking for some (indeed any) sort of solidarity but the Brexit MEP's, out of some misguided idealogy, sit on their hands and embarrass us as a country.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 18:47:13 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ... Some hostage stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially ones with a supposed background in journalism. This one has a whiff of secret service written about her. From her Wikipedia page: "Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager with the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the Canadian news agency Thomson Reuters' charitable arm, travelled to Iran on 17 March 2016 to visit her family for Nowruz (Iranian New Year) with her 22-month-old daughter Gabriella. On 3 April 2016, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard arrested her at the Imam Khomeini Airport as she and her daughter were about to board a flight back to the UK" Sounds r8 dodgy to Mendicant. If I'm right, and if the Brexit Party are anti-establishment, they might have good reason for what they've done. There really is no words ...
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 20, 2019 18:54:31 GMT
Their stance is sanctions not words are needed, the EU tried to get round USA sanctions on Iran, refused to help with protecting shipping so yeah I agree the EU are pretty dispicable on this. There really is no shame is there? A desperate British citizen is looking for some (indeed any) sort of solidarity but the Brexit MEP's, out of some misguided idealogy, sit on their hands and embarrass us as a country. For some reason the EU reminds me of the People's Front of Judea. Sit around and talk bollocks and then a show of hands to agree to tell Iran they are out of order detaining a British citizen.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 18:54:39 GMT
Their stance is sanctions not words are needed, the EU tried to get round USA sanctions on Iran, refused to help with protecting shipping so yeah I agree the EU are pretty dispicable on this. Why not sanctions AND wordS? Well the EU arent really interested in sanctions but yes you can do both but pretending the brexit party dont care is disingeniuous.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 18:59:09 GMT
Absolutely dispicable ... Some hostage stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially ones with a supposed background in journalism. This one has a whiff of secret service written about her. From her Wikipedia page: "Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager with the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the Canadian news agency Thomson Reuters' charitable arm, travelled to Iran on 17 March 2016 to visit her family for Nowruz (Iranian New Year) with her 22-month-old daughter Gabriella. On 3 April 2016, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard arrested her at the Imam Khomeini Airport as she and her daughter were about to board a flight back to the UK" Sounds r8 dodgy to Mendicant. If I'm right, and if the Brexit Party are anti-establishment, they might have good reason for what they've done. Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 19:04:06 GMT
Some hostage stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially ones with a supposed background in journalism. This one has a whiff of secret service written about her. From her Wikipedia page: "Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager with the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the Canadian news agency Thomson Reuters' charitable arm, travelled to Iran on 17 March 2016 to visit her family for Nowruz (Iranian New Year) with her 22-month-old daughter Gabriella. On 3 April 2016, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard arrested her at the Imam Khomeini Airport as she and her daughter were about to board a flight back to the UK" Sounds r8 dodgy to Mendicant. If I'm right, and if the Brexit Party are anti-establishment, they might have good reason for what they've done. Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words. Absolutely she's no spook but the reason the Brexit Party didn't support her and the other detainees, was because they're not going to support the EU in a vote on anything, period, no matter how much it shames them.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 19:05:11 GMT
Their stance is sanctions not words are needed, the EU tried to get round USA sanctions on Iran, refused to help with protecting shipping so yeah I agree the EU are pretty dispicable on this. There really is no shame is there? A desperate British citizen is looking for some (indeed any) sort of solidarity but the Brexit MEP's, out of some misguided idealogy, sit on their hands and embarrass us as a country. I am embarrassed there are brexit party meps because we should have left already. The UK and other countries have already said many words and shown solidarity don't you think its now well past that point ? They are taking western citizens hostage without any penalty, the strongest possible sanctions should be imposed on Iran.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 19:09:10 GMT
Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words. Absolutely she's no spook but the reason the Brexit Party didn't support her and the other detainees, was because they're not going to support the EU in a vote on anything, period, no matter how much it shames them. That may or may not be the case but in this instance I wouldnt say they are wrong as its only words by the EU. The EU voted by over 600 votes to issue this statement so whats their next step because if thats it, the real shame is on them.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 19:40:26 GMT
The establishment installed a remainer as PM, then left it just long enough to bring in a no deal Brexiteer to take the role at the PERFECT time to allow a no deal with the least parliamentary scrutiny possible (five week Tory leadership campaign, followed by five week summer recess, followed by proroguing). May was elected unopposed because all her challengers just dropped out of the leadership contest for some reason or another . It was a bit of a problem that the establishment didn't have the final say in the new PM but I'm sure they will enjoy their retribution. They dropped out to allow themselves a clear run at Brexit in the shortest time frame possible, which means less scrutiny, once they had let May do the brunt of the donkey work. There's no way May brings her WA back for three votes unless it is to run down the clock for the next PM to be able to go for no deal pretty much unopposed by any parliamentary scrutiny. In political terms, it's an absolute masterstroke. The fact a few incredibly wealthy men born directly into the establishment have now got their supporters calling the other side (often politicians born into far less wealth) "the establishment" is the cherry on top in terms of political manoeuvering.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 19:55:47 GMT
May was elected unopposed because all her challengers just dropped out of the leadership contest for some reason or another . It was a bit of a problem that the establishment didn't have the final say in the new PM but I'm sure they will enjoy their retribution. They dropped out to allow themselves a clear run at Brexit in the shortest time frame possible, which means less scrutiny, once they had let May do the brunt of the donkey work. There's no way May brings her WA back for three votes unless it is to run down the clock for the next PM to be able to go for no deal pretty much unopposed by any parliamentary scrutiny. In political terms, it's an absolute masterstroke. The fact a few incredibly wealthy men born directly into the establishment have now got their supporters calling the other side (often politicians born into far less wealth) "the establishment" is the cherry on top in terms of political manoeuvering. Sorry thats just barking mad, May was crap at pretty much everything but she tried desperately to get the WA through when it came to it she chickened out of no deal and went for an extension which legally she didnt have to do. If she really wanted no deal she didnt have to ask for an extension.
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 20, 2019 19:59:16 GMT
Some hostage stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially ones with a supposed background in journalism. This one has a whiff of secret service written about her. From her Wikipedia page: "Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager with the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the Canadian news agency Thomson Reuters' charitable arm, travelled to Iran on 17 March 2016 to visit her family for Nowruz (Iranian New Year) with her 22-month-old daughter Gabriella. On 3 April 2016, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard arrested her at the Imam Khomeini Airport as she and her daughter were about to board a flight back to the UK" Sounds r8 dodgy to Mendicant. If I'm right, and if the Brexit Party are anti-establishment, they might have good reason for what they've done. There really is no words ... Same as I say...
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 20, 2019 20:08:17 GMT
Some hostage stories need to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially ones with a supposed background in journalism. This one has a whiff of secret service written about her. From her Wikipedia page: "Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a project manager with the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the Canadian news agency Thomson Reuters' charitable arm, travelled to Iran on 17 March 2016 to visit her family for Nowruz (Iranian New Year) with her 22-month-old daughter Gabriella. On 3 April 2016, members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard arrested her at the Imam Khomeini Airport as she and her daughter were about to board a flight back to the UK" Sounds r8 dodgy to Mendicant. If I'm right, and if the Brexit Party are anti-establishment, they might have good reason for what they've done. Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words. I bet you she's a spook.
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2019 20:15:27 GMT
Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words. I bet you she's a spook. And I bet you've read that crap on Guido Fawkes or Breitbart. Or maybe Paul Joseph-Watson has revealed it on You Tube?
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 20, 2019 20:21:12 GMT
And I bet you've read that crap on Guido Fawkes or Breitbart. Or maybe Paul Joseph-Watson has revealed it on You Tube? No.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 20:37:44 GMT
And I bet you've read that crap on Guido Fawkes or Breitbart. Or maybe Paul Joseph-Watson has revealed it on You Tube? You might not like their politics but Guido Fawkes has nothing in common with the other two conspiracy nut websites as they generally deal in things that actually happened.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 20, 2019 20:39:46 GMT
Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words. I bet you she's a spook. I bet my house she isnt if she was her husband would have been told to shut up.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 20, 2019 22:18:26 GMT
They dropped out to allow themselves a clear run at Brexit in the shortest time frame possible, which means less scrutiny, once they had let May do the brunt of the donkey work. There's no way May brings her WA back for three votes unless it is to run down the clock for the next PM to be able to go for no deal pretty much unopposed by any parliamentary scrutiny. In political terms, it's an absolute masterstroke. The fact a few incredibly wealthy men born directly into the establishment have now got their supporters calling the other side (often politicians born into far less wealth) "the establishment" is the cherry on top in terms of political manoeuvering. Sorry thats just barking mad, May was crap at pretty much everything but she tried desperately to get the WA through when it came to it she chickened out of no deal and went for an extension which legally she didnt have to do. If she really wanted no deal she didnt have to ask for an extension. They don't want to be seen to wanting no deal - but it is exactly what they want. It's been the plan all along, or at least for the last couple of years. Keeping up the premise of wanting a deal then blaming the EU has been the plan for some time.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 21, 2019 8:34:12 GMT
Seems a bit quiet on the Brexit front...
It can only mean one thing... it’s Labour Conference time. A Brexit-free zone.
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Post by lordb on Sept 21, 2019 8:51:16 GMT
Christ on a bike she was not a journalist and she is not a spook, just a dual national in the wrong place at the wrong time like those 2 unlucky aussie / british woman who have also been taken hostage like she has. The reason for the BP non vote are as I said they want sanctions not words. I bet you she's a spook. If she was a spook the British govt would have been doing everything they could to get her out from day one
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 21, 2019 9:16:10 GMT
Sorry thats just barking mad, May was crap at pretty much everything but she tried desperately to get the WA through when it came to it she chickened out of no deal and went for an extension which legally she didnt have to do. If she really wanted no deal she didnt have to ask for an extension. They don't want to be seen to wanting no deal - but it is exactly what they want. It's been the plan all along, or at least for the last couple of years. Keeping up the premise of wanting a deal then blaming the EU has been the plan for some time. Of course it has that is why May gave way on everything, endured all the derision just so she could be forced out for Boris to deliver no deal, thats some major delusional conspiracy there..... And if there is no deal you better believe the EU will take some blame just like the Uk government will.
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