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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 12, 2019 9:52:43 GMT
Far too complicated. We should have a Referendum and people should be asked: Do you want to Leave the EU? Yes or No. You’re kidding, right? Obviously.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 9:58:42 GMT
quite surprised Fozzy Foster hasn't commented on this, it's been on over an hour What do you want me to say mate. I'm fed up making the most thought provoking and insightful arguments ever posted on here, only for them to be dismissed as fear mongering, or conspiracy theories or the fault of anyone other than leavers. We've had over 1000 pages of going around in circles and it's not getting us anywhere. It's tedious, and to be honest, I'm kind of past caring. When you have posters on here referring to all remainers as 'romoaners' and 'slimy cuntrags' then you have to stop and wonder 'what's the point'. As many have said, people have their minds made up and fair enough, I'll be the first to admit that I won't change mine either. Anyway, in my opinion Merkel is right in that the UK will be a competitor in essence to the EU, so people shouldn't be surprised if works out that way. We rejected and stuck our fingers up to them so we shouldn't expect any favours. There's nothing wrong in what she says. The EU (as every other bloc or nation) should put their own interests first, just as the UK will try to do. If Brexit happens with a deal or no deal, then whatever the fallout, the leavers can take the credit or blame in equal measure. Likewise, if Brexit does work out well then I'll happily come on here and agree that remainers overreacted.
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2019 10:01:06 GMT
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 10:27:53 GMT
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 10:51:57 GMT
It would have to be a more nuanced ballot paper, with all the scenarios... Deal or no-deal? The terms of the ref would have to be agreed on by parliament and they would demand remain be on the ballot.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 12, 2019 11:07:36 GMT
For those asking about a referendum question it is simple: Question 1: remain or leave? If remain wins, every 5 years MPs must vote on whether or not to remain in the EU. We would also seek to immediately change the article 50 process to compel the EU to negotiate issues BEFORE notice to leave has been served if a member state wants to leave and to detail the procedure that must be followed. Question 2: if leave wins the above, do we leave with no deal on X date (probably 31 January) or do we take May’s withdrawal agreement on that same date? Now people are informed of the leave outcomes, if the will of the people is still to leave then that is what happens, but with a specific outcome. Anyone who still wants no deal, imagine it was you being told by your child’s consultant that your child’s life saving medicine may not be available for a few weeks after no deal and so your child’s life is in danger. "simple"
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2019 11:16:11 GMT
What a shame Woolies and C&A couldn't have blamed Brexit. I do wonder who these companies will blame when Brexit is finally sorted.
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 12, 2019 11:28:16 GMT
For those asking about a referendum question it is simple: Question 1: remain or leave? If remain wins, every 5 years MPs must vote on whether or not to remain in the EU. We would also seek to immediately change the article 50 process to compel the EU to negotiate issues BEFORE notice to leave has been served if a member state wants to leave and to detail the procedure that must be followed. Question 2: if leave wins the above, do we leave with no deal on X date (probably 31 January) or do we take May’s withdrawal agreement on that same date? Now people are informed of the leave outcomes, if the will of the people is still to leave then that is what happens, but with a specific outcome. Anyone who still wants no deal, imagine it was you being told by your child’s consultant that your child’s life saving medicine may not be available for a few weeks after no deal and so your child’s life is in danger. If there's one industry that will run fine it's pharma. Half of Britain walks rind rattling. Influential business.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 12, 2019 11:34:54 GMT
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Post by Davef on Sept 12, 2019 11:37:35 GMT
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 11:45:48 GMT
I see the use of the words 'your priorities', rather than 'your wishes' or 'what you voted for' or 'our promises'. Oh well.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 12, 2019 11:57:48 GMT
I see the use of the words 'your priorities', rather than 'your wishes' or 'what you voted for' or 'our promises'. Oh well. I like it. No one trusts MP's so 'our promises' is nonsense. 'Your priorities' is much more serving us than Government telling us what they think.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 12, 2019 12:07:41 GMT
Nice strawman there pal, note the use of crucial goods / supplies if ports get blocked up not suggesting it as an alternative or building airports at supermarkets. But yeah good point you make otherwise if only there was some method of transporting things from planes to places they need to go to And how long it will take and the logistics behind it all. Not to mention health and safety costs in transporting half that stuff. ...And who will actually transport it. You do realise most of the companies involved are global and are quite used to doing this as they dont just sell within the EU so there is no big deal for them to put on a plane, train or lorry. Or do you actually think heathrow and gatwick only deal with holidaymakers, health and safety jesus wept
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 12:32:50 GMT
And how long it will take and the logistics behind it all. Not to mention health and safety costs in transporting half that stuff. ...And who will actually transport it. You do realise most of the companies involved are global and are quite used to doing this as they dont just sell within the EU so there is no big deal for them to put on a plane, train or lorry. Or do you actually think heathrow and gatwick only deal with holidaymakers, health and safety jesus wept If only real life was as simple as yours apparently is... where airports could suddenly take in such an influx in planes, companies could switch suppliers with the flick of a switch, pilots and lorry drivers would become instantly available, roads going to and from airports were expanded to accommodate such an increase in traffic, all transport quality control conditions could be abandoned, environmental concerns ceased to exist and pigs flew casually through the sky oinking merrily through pink fluffy clouds.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 12, 2019 12:35:33 GMT
What a shame Woolies and C&A couldn't have blamed Brexit. I do wonder who these companies will blame when Brexit is finally sorted. Weak pound due to Brexit nothing to do with it then?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 12, 2019 12:37:36 GMT
What a shame Woolies and C&A couldn't have blamed Brexit. I do wonder who these companies will blame when Brexit is finally sorted. Weak pound due to Brexit nothing to do with it then? The two worst recessions ever when we were members of the EU.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 12:44:59 GMT
What a shame Woolies and C&A couldn't have blamed Brexit. I do wonder who these companies will blame when Brexit is finally sorted. Weak pound due to Brexit nothing to do with it then? Probably not as much as the UK (and EU) allowing all the US tech giants to obliterate all our local businesses with unfair competition and tax breaks. At least the EU are now trying to impose a digital tax (starting with France). I doubt the UK will follow suit as we'll be bending over backwards to US demands as part of any future deal. But at least any US trade deal will enable us to sell our pork pies over there.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 12:49:47 GMT
Weak pound due to Brexit nothing to do with it then? Probably not as much as the UK (and EU) allowing all the US tech giants to obliterate all our local businesses with unfair competition and tax breaks. At least the EU are now trying to impose a digital tax (starting with France). I doubt the UK will follow suit as we'll be bending over backwards to US demands as part of any future deal. But at least any US trade deal will enable us to sell our pork pies over there. There’s a lot of self hatred in your posts, anyone would think we’re only the 6th largest economy in the world due to the fact we bribe the EU to prop us up.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 12:58:07 GMT
Probably not as much as the UK (and EU) allowing all the US tech giants to obliterate all our local businesses with unfair competition and tax breaks. At least the EU are now trying to impose a digital tax (starting with France). I doubt the UK will follow suit as we'll be bending over backwards to US demands as part of any future deal. But at least any US trade deal will enable us to sell our pork pies over there. There’s a lot of self hatred in your posts, anyone would think we’re only the 6th largest economy in the world due to the fact we bribe the EU to prop us up. I think you need to look up the meaning of 'self hatred' mate. If you're confusing it with concern for the wellbeing of the UK then I agree. I noticed that the government didn't heed your dishonest advice of hiding the yellowhammer report from the thick general public.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 13:09:20 GMT
There’s a lot of self hatred in your posts, anyone would think we’re only the 6th largest economy in the world due to the fact we bribe the EU to prop us up. I think you need to look up the meaning of 'self hatred' mate. If you're confusing it with concern for the wellbeing of the UK then I agree. I noticed that the government didn't heed your dishonest advice of hiding the yellowhammer report from the thick general public. Well, you seem to think all we have to offer the world is pork pies! This government probably leaked the yellowhammer stuff themselves and gladly released it as it will help them push an eventual deal through parliament.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 12, 2019 14:32:47 GMT
You do realise most of the companies involved are global and are quite used to doing this as they dont just sell within the EU so there is no big deal for them to put on a plane, train or lorry. Or do you actually think heathrow and gatwick only deal with holidaymakers, health and safety jesus wept If only real life was as simple as yours apparently is... where airports could suddenly take in such an influx in planes, companies could switch suppliers with the flick of a switch, pilots and lorry drivers would become instantly available, roads going to and from airports were expanded to accommodate such an increase in traffic, all transport quality control conditions could be abandoned, environmental concerns ceased to exist and pigs flew casually through the sky oinking merrily through pink fluffy clouds. Despite all the smug arrogant superiorism all you can offer is strawman and show you don't know your arse from your elbow. Again no one is suggesting all trade can be switched to planes immediately but anything critical could be, its quite laughable you think heathrow needs roads expanding its almost like you dont know its pretty much on the m25, you not knowing something what are the chances
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 12, 2019 14:52:58 GMT
If only real life was as simple as yours apparently is... where airports could suddenly take in such an influx in planes, companies could switch suppliers with the flick of a switch, pilots and lorry drivers would become instantly available, roads going to and from airports were expanded to accommodate such an increase in traffic, all transport quality control conditions could be abandoned, environmental concerns ceased to exist and pigs flew casually through the sky oinking merrily through pink fluffy clouds. Despite all the smug arrogant superiorism all you can offer is strawman and show you don't know your arse from your elbow. Again no one is suggesting all trade can be switched to planes immediately but anything critical could be, its quite laughable you think heathrow needs roads expanding its almost like you dont know its pretty much on the m25, you not knowing something what are the chances We use shipping freight as it would cost us (and the consumer) at least five times more if we used air freight.Which the public cannot afford.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 14:53:39 GMT
If only real life was as simple as yours apparently is... where airports could suddenly take in such an influx in planes, companies could switch suppliers with the flick of a switch, pilots and lorry drivers would become instantly available, roads going to and from airports were expanded to accommodate such an increase in traffic, all transport quality control conditions could be abandoned, environmental concerns ceased to exist and pigs flew casually through the sky oinking merrily through pink fluffy clouds. Despite all the smug arrogant superiorism all you can offer is strawman and show you don't know your arse from your elbow. Again no one is suggesting all trade can be switched to planes immediately but anything critical could be, its quite laughable you think heathrow needs roads expanding its almost like you dont know its pretty much on the m25, you not knowing something what are the chances Smug? Me? Mate, if you want to unleash your feelings of emasculation on me then please do so. I'm all for supporting my fellow posters. In any case, I want you to know that I really respect your opinion. PS - Maybe look up what strawman argument means because you kind of just used one yourself. No worries though. It's fine.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 14:56:47 GMT
Well, you seem to think all we have to offer the world is pork pies! This government probably leaked the yellowhammer stuff themselves and gladly released it as it will help them push an eventual deal through parliament. It's not so much about what we have to offer, it's how competitive we can be. What's your opinion on the GE now that Tories and BP are going to be competing against one another? suppose it all depends on the state of play with regards brexit come polling day, doesn’t it ? So much could happen between now and then. If the election was tomorrow I don’t think the brexit party would fair well because a lot of brexiteers still see Johnson as their best shot at enacting what they voted for, if Johnson goes soft on brexit and tries to push Mays shit sandwich WA after the 16th summit then that will piss off many brexiteers and they’ll likely flock to the brexit party. What do you think ?
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2019 14:59:19 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 15:01:01 GMT
It's not so much about what we have to offer, it's how competitive we can be. What's your opinion on the GE now that Tories and BP are going to be competing against one another? suppose it all depends on the state of play with regards brexit come polling day, doesn’t it ? So much could happen between now and then. If the election was tomorrow I don’t think the brexit party would fair well because a lot of brexiteers still see Johnson as their best shot at enacting what they voted for, if Johnson goes soft on brexit and tries to push Mays shit sandwich WA after the 16th summit then that will piss off many brexiteers and they’ll likely flock to the brexit party. What do you think ? As long that shit excuse for a party (BP by the way) gets fucked I don't really care. Why would people flock to BP if Boris tries to push the old deal? It's better than no deal at least. Unless of course people think we should go no deal first and then in the pursuing chaos we might get a better deal than what's on offer now.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 15:01:46 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area Got more than 6 years on mine so it'll still be valid when we rejoin the EU
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 12, 2019 15:04:18 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area No change there then.My biggest gripe about leaving is the freedom of movement.People voting to imprison themselves and handing more power/control back to the government away from the people.Mind boggling.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 15:16:54 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area No change there then.My biggest gripe about leaving is the freedom of movement.People voting to imprison themselves and handing more power/control back to the government away from the people.Mind boggling. I don't think they'll be that much disruption if for example, you're going to the EU on holiday. Once you're in then you can move pretty much anywhere you want (on land). The biggest issues will be the slightly longer waits at passport control and potentially awkward French border police. Most of them are miserable bastards at the best of times.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 12, 2019 15:20:20 GMT
No change there then.My biggest gripe about leaving is the freedom of movement.People voting to imprison themselves and handing more power/control back to the government away from the people.Mind boggling. I don't think they'll be that much disruption if for example, you're going to the EU on holiday. Once you're in then you can move pretty much anywhere you want (on land). The biggest issues will be the slightly longer waits at passport control and potentially awkward French border police. Most of them are miserable bastards at the best of times. Its more about living abroad,universities, working etc.
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