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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 16:11:50 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area No change there then.My biggest gripe about leaving is the freedom of movement.People voting to imprison themselves and handing more power/control back to the government away from the people.Mind boggling. Imprison eh 😆😆 spoken like a true liberal pissflapper You mean your prefer the power being kept by a foreign government the foreign government that are not accountable to the people? Oh bollocks, got to go and change my pants again...everytime I see your posts I end up pissing myself
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Post by henry on Sept 12, 2019 17:04:03 GMT
For those asking about a referendum question it is simple: Question 1: remain or leave? If remain wins, every 5 years MPs must vote on whether or not to remain in the EU. We would also seek to immediately change the article 50 process to compel the EU to negotiate issues BEFORE notice to leave has been served if a member state wants to leave and to detail the procedure that must be followed. Question 2: if leave wins the above, do we leave with no deal on X date (probably 31 January) or do we take May’s withdrawal agreement on that same date? Now people are informed of the leave outcomes, if the will of the people is still to leave then that is what happens, but with a specific outcome. Anyone who still wants no deal, imagine it was you being told by your child’s consultant that your child’s life saving medicine may not be available for a few weeks after no deal and so your child’s life is in danger. Well the same applies to the EU, they have 45 million packs of tablets off us each month.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 12, 2019 17:12:22 GMT
The European Central Bank engaged in more quantitative easing today to boost the Eurozone flagging economies. They are now in serious danger of entering deflation economies.
At first deflation sounds more attractive than inflation, but the reality is it is very damaging to economies as people are deterred from spending leading to stagnation. "Why buy something now when it could be cheaper tomorrow?"
Japan suffered a decade of stagnation due to deflation.
Naturally Trump is livid at the ECB action as it makes the $ stronger and damages their balance of trade. Will he take action?
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 12, 2019 17:25:32 GMT
Questions for the more vocal remainers on this board. If the revised WA comes back into play before October 31, would you be happy if parliament said ‘Aye’ Would you consider Boris to be a success if it goes through? Do you actually think parliament would pass a revised WA or do you think they will continue to push for an extension with a view to achieving ‘remain’? For the life of me, I struggle to understand why the current coalition doesn’t push to revoke Art 50. They have the weight of numbers to make it happen and have made their positions clear. I think the population have seen enough & will never trust Govt again. I think revoking A50 is exactly what the Remainers want to do. But, as we’ve seen over the past few weeks timing is everything. It’s a question of when they do this. I think it would happen very soon after the election if Johnson doesn’t win. They will have too hold a second ballot in this case , anything else would be unthinkable
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 12, 2019 17:28:02 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area No passports at all seems to work just as well
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2019 17:54:12 GMT
What a shame Woolies and C&A couldn't have blamed Brexit. I do wonder who these companies will blame when Brexit is finally sorted. Weak pound due to Brexit nothing to do with it then? "On line sales rose 11%" The High Street is changing at a frightening pace, fuck all to do with Brexit.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 17:57:20 GMT
Labours position is absolutely untenable. Why would the EU negotiate a good deal with us knowing it was going to be put up against a remain option in a referendum ? It’s ludicrous.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 12, 2019 17:59:14 GMT
No change there then.My biggest gripe about leaving is the freedom of movement.People voting to imprison themselves and handing more power/control back to the government away from the people.Mind boggling. Imprison eh 😆😆 spoken like a true liberal pissflapper You mean your prefer the power being kept by a foreign government the foreign government that are not accountable to the people? Oh bollocks, got to go and change my pants again...everytime I see your posts I end up pissing myself Dont you understand that any form of government oppresses the working man in whatever guise they come in.Accountable or not,the accountable ones just change their face and name.At the moment freedom of movement and free trade is the best deal for me and I would have a guess if put to the people again they would agree. Liberal
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 19:53:21 GMT
Labours position is absolutely untenable. Why would the EU negotiate a good deal with us knowing it was going to be put up against a remain option in a referendum ? It’s ludicrous. Why do we keep talking about how good labour are?... For the time being the important thing is negotiating a deal. With the EU (or not) and getting it through. The whole labour discussion detracts from what's important. If a GE is set then let's bring it up again. As it stands the Tories are running the show.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 19:59:05 GMT
suppose it all depends on the state of play with regards brexit come polling day, doesn’t it ? So much could happen between now and then. If the election was tomorrow I don’t think the brexit party would fair well because a lot of brexiteers still see Johnson as their best shot at enacting what they voted for, if Johnson goes soft on brexit and tries to push Mays shit sandwich WA after the 16th summit then that will piss off many brexiteers and they’ll likely flock to the brexit party. What do you think ? As long that shit excuse for a party (BP by the way) gets fucked I don't really care. Why would people flock to BP if Boris tries to push the old deal? It's better than no deal at least. Unless of course people think we should go no deal first and then in the pursuing chaos we might get a better deal than what's on offer now. Mays WA was not popular with brexiters... it wasn’t popular with anyone come to think of it. If Boris brings it back rebadged then Farage would make a huge noise about it being a betrayal. I don’t know of the feasibility but Boris was a supporter of a Canada plus deal, I also think the Eu were receptive to that as well, it would also placate the brexiters, the ERG, that’s boris’ best option but as I say, I don’t know what the feasibility of a WA based around that is now ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214metro.co.uk/2018/10/05/the-eu-offers-an-alternative-brexit-but-what-is-canada-8009257/
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 20:04:14 GMT
Labours position is absolutely untenable. Why would the EU negotiate a good deal with us knowing it was going to be put up against a remain option in a referendum ? It’s ludicrous. Why do we keep talking about how good labour are?... For the time being the important thing is negotiating a deal. With the EU (or not) and getting it through. The whole labour discussion detracts from what's important. If a GE is set then let's bring it up again. As it stands the Tories are running the show. Nobody thinks Labours muddled brexit is good, theres palpable laughter anytime thornbury and co try to explain it, at least Tom Watson is coherent, labour should just adopt his position and have done.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2019 20:12:22 GMT
Why do we keep talking about how good labour are?... For the time being the important thing is negotiating a deal. With the EU (or not) and getting it through. The whole labour discussion detracts from what's important. If a GE is set then let's bring it up again. As it stands the Tories are running the show. Nobody thinks Labours muddled brexit is good, theres palpable laughter anytime thornbury and co try to explain it, at least Tom Watson is coherent, labour should just adopt his position and have done. Labour are more fucked up with Brexit than the Tories. The only two parties with a clear unambiguous policy are the Lib Dems and the BP. That's where we are folks
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 12, 2019 20:13:32 GMT
As long that shit excuse for a party (BP by the way) gets fucked I don't really care. Why would people flock to BP if Boris tries to push the old deal? It's better than no deal at least. Unless of course people think we should go no deal first and then in the pursuing chaos we might get a better deal than what's on offer now. Mays WA was not popular with brexiters... it wasn’t popular with anyone come to think of it. If Boris brings it back rebadged then Farage would make a huge noise about it being a betrayal. I don’t know of the feasibility but Boris was a supporter of a Canada plus deal, I also think the Eu were receptive to that as well, it would also placate the brexiters, that’s boris’ best option but as I say, I don’t know what the feasibility of a WA based around that is now ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214metro.co.uk/2018/10/05/the-eu-offers-an-alternative-brexit-but-what-is-canada-8009257/Yeh.. Said a few pages ago.. My money is on Johnson bringing back a fudged May deal or a Canada type deal that will be accepted. I'm an avid remainer... So as long as that shitface weasel Farage is catapulted into obscurity I will be moderately content. Johnson will someway honour his promise and we will go from there. A world of inbetweeny and then isolation and then the fact we will be living on past glories forever. It's a sad state of affairs brought on by UKIP jingoism and the working class discontent being channelled into the wrong vehicle of protest.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 20:29:31 GMT
Nobody thinks Labours muddled brexit is good, theres palpable laughter anytime thornbury and co try to explain it, at least Tom Watson is coherent, labour should just adopt his position and have done. Labour are more fucked up with Brexit than the Tories. The only two parties with a clear unambiguous policy are the Lib Dems and the BP. That's where we are folks you’d have a remain supporting Labour Party negotiating a deal to leave with the EU who also want us to remain. I mean, I know they think we’re stupid but common!!!! 😄
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2019 20:31:01 GMT
Yeh.. Said a few pages ago.. My money is on Johnson bringing back a fudged May deal or a Canada type deal that will be accepted. I'm an avid remainer... S o as long as that shitface weasel Farage is catapulted into obscurity I will be moderately content.Johnson will someway honour his promise and we will go from there. A world of inbetweeny and then isolation and then the fact we will be living on past glories forever. It's a sad state of affairs brought on by UKIP jingoism and the working class discontent being channelled into the wrong vehicle of protest. A Brino won't catapult Farage into obscurity though, he's made that perfectly clear from the outset. We are in a situation where it's Leave with no deal or remain. This should be the only option going forward. For some reason the remainers really don't seem to like this option.
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Post by Davef on Sept 12, 2019 20:40:46 GMT
Robert Lee on Sky Golf posing the question of what will happen to the British Solheim/Ryder Cup players after Brexit.
The stupid twat obviously doesn't realise that Norway's Suzanne Pettersen is on the European team and has featured in eight of the last nine Solheim Cup teams.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 12, 2019 20:46:17 GMT
Yeh.. Said a few pages ago.. My money is on Johnson bringing back a fudged May deal or a Canada type deal that will be accepted. I'm an avid remainer... S o as long as that shitface weasel Farage is catapulted into obscurity I will be moderately content.Johnson will someway honour his promise and we will go from there. A world of inbetweeny and then isolation and then the fact we will be living on past glories forever. It's a sad state of affairs brought on by UKIP jingoism and the working class discontent being channelled into the wrong vehicle of protest. A Brino won't catapult Farage into obscurity though, he's made that perfectly clear from the outset. We are in a situation where it's Leave with no deal or remain. This should be the only option going forward. For some reason the remainers really don't seem to like this option. Not sure what you on about numpty. What option?
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2019 20:52:16 GMT
A Brino won't catapult Farage into obscurity though, he's made that perfectly clear from the outset. We are in a situation where it's Leave with no deal or remain. This should be the only option going forward. For some reason the remainers really don't seem to like this option. Not sure what you on about numpty. What option? We are in a situation where it's Leave with no deal or remain
Just highlighted it for you smaller, do you want it in italics?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 12, 2019 21:02:19 GMT
Bloody Tom Watson, he'll get thrown out of the party before the next election. He's not real Labour.... er...
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 21:09:18 GMT
As long that shit excuse for a party (BP by the way) gets fucked I don't really care. Why would people flock to BP if Boris tries to push the old deal? It's better than no deal at least. Unless of course people think we should go no deal first and then in the pursuing chaos we might get a better deal than what's on offer now. Mays WA was not popular with brexiters... it wasn’t popular with anyone come to think of it. If Boris brings it back rebadged then Farage would make a huge noise about it being a betrayal. I don’t know of the feasibility but Boris was a supporter of a Canada plus deal, I also think the Eu were receptive to that as well, it would also placate the brexiters, the ERG, that’s boris’ best option but as I say, I don’t know what the feasibility of a WA based around that is now ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45673214metro.co.uk/2018/10/05/the-eu-offers-an-alternative-brexit-but-what-is-canada-8009257/Don't really mind what deal we do now but Merkel did describe it as a possible Canada minus minus deal earlier. Maybe whatever deal we get with the EU will get enough spin to pass, especially if time is short and the GE date drags on. I do think however that whatever deal Boris gets through won't be fully transparent. I have a niggling feeling that something negative will arise at a later date once he's long gone.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 12, 2019 21:11:42 GMT
Not sure what you on about numpty. What option? We are in a situation where it's Leave with no deal or remain
Just highlighted it for you smaller, do you want it in italics? Calm down numpty... you're getting a bit agitated aren't you..? I wouldn't know if it's that simple or not. If you do, I suggest you get yourself down to Westminster as soon as possible.😊 It's a fookin mess of immeasurable proportions. Johnson will get a fudged May deal.. Put your pound on it.
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 12, 2019 21:35:32 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ?
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore.
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Post by Davef on Sept 12, 2019 21:42:10 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore. Absolute bollocks.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 21:44:16 GMT
Not sure what you on about numpty. What option? We are in a situation where it's Leave with no deal or remain
Just highlighted it for you smaller, do you want it in italics? They’ll do a deal imo, but will it pass through parliament ?
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 12, 2019 22:04:54 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore. I’m massively in favour of Brexit and there are plenty of factual reasons to leave. Though none of the above is true.
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Post by foster on Sept 12, 2019 22:06:37 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore. Is that a serious question? No wonder leavers get the thicko reputation if they believe this kind of shit.
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Post by serpico on Sept 12, 2019 22:37:07 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore. Seems accurate.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 12, 2019 23:28:54 GMT
Have you all got more than 6 months left on your passports, you will need that when travelling into the Schengen area No issues getting in with my Canadian one.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 13, 2019 4:08:18 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore. Seems accurate. It’s a load of shite. If you’re interested, the excellent Full Fact dissected it: link
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 13, 2019 7:12:43 GMT
Just read this on Faceache and its something I have never seen before, The Lisbon Treaty. Is this for real or just a load of old Facebook nonsense ? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons! Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore. Is that a serious question? No wonder leavers get the thicko reputation if they believe this kind of shit. Constructive. Thick I am not, interested much in politics? No, hence my lack of knowledge, a sensible reply lower down I see.
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