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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 13:27:25 GMT
Moving to a 3 at the back enhances the importance of Muni! Muni should NOT be sold. He can play as a LWB or as one of the 3! Personally he would start ahead of Pieters. He sees a pass far better and links play better too. Tin hat on... ...in a back three with wing backs, providing we sign Indi, Id have both Muni and Cameron ahead of Shawcross. Both Muni and Cameron can play centre-back in a 3 (more pace and vision than Ryan) and defensive centre-mid (albeit with limitations). So PROVIDING WE SIGN Indi - I think both are of more value to the squad than Ryan. I think the talk of Ryan's demise is utter bolloks but if we play a back 3 the best back 3 we have imo is Zouma BMI Muni For that reason I wouldn't play it as I think Ryan is our best cb still. The system just doesn't suit him.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 7, 2017 13:28:26 GMT
If we can get £2M and a sell on clause installed we should sell at once! Seems to be a nice bloke and a favourite by a lot of fans, God knows why, but not strong enough, not fast enough and takes too big risks playing it out of defence. In my opinion simply not suited to the PL. Was digesting this quote as a reasonable view...... before I read your below post re: Wolly. Now I just think you're drunk! I can asure you I'm not!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 13:28:33 GMT
If the plan is for the 3 at the bollocks won't we need more back up at CB? I'd keep him as he's very well suited to the system and can slot in on the left. I'm amazed we started with Cameron on the left of the back 3 at the weekend. Muniesa's days here, sadly, are numbered. I had hoped that if he started the season on the left of a back 3 or alongside Ryan (impossible with Zouma's arrival) that he would nail down his place in the team. Oh of course they are, we'll sell him for peanuts and leave a gaping hole in the squad.
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Post by theteacher on Aug 7, 2017 13:35:12 GMT
If it's a choice between Muni and Wolly, it's Muni anyday! I think Wolly is a much better central defender than Muni. He is more physical and is much better in the air as well. OK, he turns like a tanker, but Muni also looks awfully slow to me. Anyway I prefer Cameron to both of those two though! Problem with Wolly is the lack of pace. Means we have to sit deeper and the team becomes stretched and the striker(s) even more isolated. Muni every day of the week for me because of pace (or Wolly's lack of pace).
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Post by kevkj on Aug 7, 2017 13:38:50 GMT
Muniesta is finished as a footballer in my view.
Once he was decent and showed promise but he just cannot run anymore. He refuses or is incapable of stretching out fully when sprinting. I will never forget him pulling up lame,when Gerrard scored in the drubbing we gave them. No improvement since.
Sad as it is I don't know if hes even championship level nowadays.
"Vis Unita Fortior"
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Post by theteacher on Aug 7, 2017 13:41:30 GMT
Muniesta is finished as a footballer in my view. Once he was decent and showed promise but he just cannot run anymore. He refuses or is incapable of stretching out fully when sprinting. I will never forget him pulling up lame,when Gerrard scored in the drubbing we gave them. No improvement since. Sad as it is I don't know if hes even championship level nowadays. "Vis Unita Fortior" Don't disagree but would still rather Muni than Woolly if one was needed. My preference would be to move both on and save on the wages for use elsewhere in the squad. Just my opinion like.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 7, 2017 13:43:38 GMT
I think Wolly is a much better central defender than Muni. He is more physical and is much better in the air as well. OK, he turns like a tanker, but Muni also looks awfully slow to me. Anyway I prefer Cameron to both of those two though! Problem with Wolly is the lack of pace. Means we have to sit deeper and the team becomes stretched and the striker(s) even more isolated. Muni every day of the week for me because of pace (or Wolly's lack of pace). Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but the problem is that Muni is awfully slow as well. In addition he has all his other weaknesses too! I really wonder how far behind Wolly would be over let's say 40 yards? Does anybody know about any test results for the pair?
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Post by uknorse on Aug 7, 2017 14:08:14 GMT
Problem with Wolly is the lack of pace. Means we have to sit deeper and the team becomes stretched and the striker(s) even more isolated. Muni every day of the week for me because of pace (or Wolly's lack of pace). Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but the problem is that Muni is awfully slow as well. In addition he has all his other weaknesses too! I really wonder how far behind Wolly would be over let's say 40 yards? Does anybody know about any test results for the pair? if you want to stand watching wolly running 40 yards, feel free to do it, but its 30 minutes of your life you will never get back ;-)
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 7, 2017 14:12:52 GMT
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but the problem is that Muni is awfully slow as well. In addition he has all his other weaknesses too! I really wonder how far behind Wolly would be over let's say 40 yards? Does anybody know about any test results for the pair? if you want to stand watching wolly running 40 yards, feel free to do it, but its 30 minutes of your life you will never get back ;-) And right behind comes Muni as well! Agree it's probably a waste of time!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 7, 2017 14:18:04 GMT
I'm amazed we started with Cameron on the left of the back 3 at the weekend. Muniesa's days here, sadly, are numbered. I had hoped that if he started the season on the left of a back 3 or alongside Ryan (impossible with Zouma's arrival) that he would nail down his place in the team. Oh of course they are, we'll sell him for peanuts and leave a gaping hole in the squad. Sadly his injury record means we would always be unlikely to recover a fee that is reflective of his actual ability. I would let him go for peanuts but insert a hefty sell on clause because if ever he does manage to go injury free, he could well end up being transferred for a sizeable sum of money.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 7, 2017 14:19:17 GMT
Muniesta is finished as a footballer in my view. Once he was decent and showed promise but he just cannot run anymore. He refuses or is incapable of stretching out fully when sprinting. I will never forget him pulling up lame,when Gerrard scored in the drubbing we gave them. No improvement since. Sad as it is I don't know if hes even championship level nowadays. "Vis Unita Fortior" It is kind of funny that you sign off with Vis Unita Fortior having slammed Muniesa as "not even championship level nowadays". Not much unity there really is there?
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Post by kevkj on Aug 7, 2017 14:24:07 GMT
Thems the facts im afraid.We will not get stronger keeping hold of the likes of Wolschied and Muniesta even as cover.
"Vis Unita Fortior"
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2017 17:41:57 GMT
Muniesta is finished as a footballer in my view. Once he was decent and showed promise but he just cannot run anymore. He refuses or is incapable of stretching out fully when sprinting. I will never forget him pulling up lame,when Gerrard scored in the drubbing we gave them. No improvement since. Sad as it is I don't know if hes even championship level nowadays. "Vis Unita Fortior" Didn't he pull up with a hamstring injury ?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 8, 2017 11:56:46 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 8, 2017 11:58:44 GMT
Sad in a way.
But probably the right call. He needs to be playing.
Doubt the fee will be very big
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 8, 2017 11:58:59 GMT
This is stupid from stoke if true
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 8, 2017 11:59:36 GMT
Sad in a way. But probably the right call. He needs to be playing. Doubt the fee will be very big Must mean Bruno is done.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 8, 2017 11:59:50 GMT
This is stupid from stoke if true Why?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2017 12:00:02 GMT
Sad in a way. But probably the right call. He needs to be playing. Doubt the fee will be very big So long as we get a decent sell on clause, I think the actual fee is an irrelevance. Shame to see him go but sadly inevitable.
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 8, 2017 12:01:47 GMT
This is stupid from stoke if true Why? What back up do we have?? The new guy is injured already pieters is a walking sick note same as johnson we need more cover in defence not less
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2017 12:02:02 GMT
Never good enough for this league!
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 8, 2017 12:02:09 GMT
This is stupid from stoke if true Why? It's stupid if Bruno isn't 100% done.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 8, 2017 12:03:17 GMT
What back up do we have?? The new guy is injured already pieters is a walking sick note same as johnson we need more cover in defence not less But he's not good enough and not fit half of the time. How the fuck is Pieters a walking sick note? He played more minutes than anyone else last season
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 8, 2017 12:04:54 GMT
I'll miss you and your infectious grin Muni
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 8, 2017 12:05:58 GMT
Can't keep someone like him as 3rd/4th choice centre back for ever- he's 25(ish), wants to be playing regularly and probbaly wants to go back to Spain anyway.
It's only fair to let him go if we can get a reasonable fee for him (£3m or so would be alright) as he's never been quite good enough to nail down a starting position here at CB, and we saw enough of him at LB to realise he's not a full-back in a million years.
If we can definitely bring BMI in (and this move suggests we will be doing now) then a CB pool of BMI, Ryan, Zouma, Cameron and Wolly should be enough to see us through.
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 8, 2017 12:06:43 GMT
Good move all round. He will be an instant hero there as he is a local lad from down the road in Lloret.
If true, very best of luck Muni. One of footballs nice guys
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Post by liamo on Aug 8, 2017 12:09:44 GMT
Got to respect Hughes and the club, he's a nice guy and everything but it's pretty obvious that we've allowed things to get stale and let players linger on
We've obviously needed to move some players on and change things up and we're doing just that
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Post by knype on Aug 8, 2017 12:10:02 GMT
Unless we are bringing in Bruno and another defender this is a poor move IMO
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Post by stokiemarc on Aug 8, 2017 12:13:08 GMT
He'd have been decent in a back 3 with his ability on the ball and the protection of the other 2 of the back 3. When he replaced Shawcross last season he did well and was very harshly replaced when Ryan was fit again. I've lost all faith in Ryan,he just seems to have become a bit of a liability in the last 6 months.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 8, 2017 12:15:45 GMT
Probably did his best work off the pitch in terms of team morale - a pity it didn't work out but these things are always a gamble. Hopefully he won't think it's been time wasted here and will spread a positive message about the club.
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