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Post by bathstoke on Jun 1, 2017 8:05:34 GMT
She really is a clucking liability 🐔👋🏻
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 8:11:09 GMT
Even for a Tory, it's all a bit odd.
The easy money is on a coward, but I smell a rat.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jun 1, 2017 8:12:03 GMT
Goodbye Corbyn, we will still enjoy many more months of May.
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Post by capto on Jun 1, 2017 8:17:23 GMT
Will she turn up?
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 1, 2017 8:24:16 GMT
Goodbye Corbyn, we will still enjoy many more months of May. Where is she then,"Is she behind your sofa!?!" |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 1, 2017 8:50:11 GMT
If she some how manages to win this election with the abortion she and the tory party have made of it will be down to people not trusting Jezza and the Labour party, she really appears to be doing her level best to lose this election. Neither the Tories or labour can be trusted, the Liberals are a none entity who are we supposed to trust with our vote  |
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 1, 2017 9:06:48 GMT
If she some how manages to win this election with the abortion she and the tory party have made of it will be down to people not trusting Jezza and the Labour party, she really appears to be doing her level best to lose this election. Neither the Tories or labour can be trusted, the Liberals are a none entity who are we supposed to trust with our vote The situation we find ourselves in is our own doing & the successive Tory administration. Not Lib/Labs |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 9:48:31 GMT
May may I remind you all...  |
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 10:19:13 GMT
May may I remind you all... The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate  |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 1, 2017 12:53:04 GMT
If she some how manages to win this election with the abortion she and the tory party have made of it will be down to people not trusting Jezza and the Labour party, she really appears to be doing her level best to lose this election. Neither the Tories or labour can be trusted, the Liberals are a none entity who are we supposed to trust with our vote The situation we find ourselves in is our own doing & the successive Tory administration. Not Lib/Labs So mass uncontrolled immigration was nothing to do with the Bliar administration, the terror threat we are experiencing was nothing to do with the Bliar administration even though he took us into a phoney war and was responsible for the lives of thousands of innocent people, the economic crisis when Brown was in administration where his staff left notes saying there was no money left !, I thought they were Labour PM's  , nothing to do with the Liberals even though they were in a coalition partnership with the Tory's and sold all their voters down the river. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 1, 2017 13:00:20 GMT
The situation we find ourselves in is our own doing & the successive Tory administration. Not Lib/Labs So mass uncontrolled immigration was nothing to do with the Bliar administration, the terror threat we are experiencing was nothing to do with the Bliar administration even though he took us into a phoney war and was responsible for the lives of thousands of innocent people, the economic crisis when Brown was in administration where his staff left notes saying there was no money left !, I thought they were Labour PM's , nothing to do with the Liberals even though they were in a coalition partnership with the Tory's and sold all their voters down the river. Now you're just being picky 😀 |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 1, 2017 13:02:43 GMT
May may I remind you all... Who's the transvestite on the right? |
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Post by 3putts on Jun 1, 2017 15:45:01 GMT
She has called this election purely for selfish reasons and not for the good of the british people.backed by the right wing press.if she gets in with a strong majority anybody north of watford will be screwed over.say goodbye to the nhs you will have to pay to see your gp god knows what else she has in store for us.
corbyn has had his character assasinated by the tory press but if you take the time to listen to what he says you will see he talks a lot of sense.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 1, 2017 16:08:48 GMT
The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate P1 - They've already solved that. See 'P2'. P2 - You make money by creating debt. Our current population are all maxed out on debt, we're fully milked. So what do you do? You bring in millions more debt slaves, erm.. I mean doctors from the Middle East & engineers from Africa. P3 - The housing crisis, strain on the NHS & such like are all intensified due to 'P2'. It also leads to more people relying on the state (More debt) P4 - Correct, it is all a sham, and indeed the rich do get richer & the poor get more fucked over by the day... And we have the MSM & their lap dogs in Government telling us how things like open borders, free movement of people, refugees welcome & such like are needed to solve all our problems... Thus taking us straight back to 'P1' on steroids. |
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Post by yeokel on Jun 1, 2017 16:30:05 GMT
May may I remind you all... The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate If Corbyn and his brand of socialism are the answer for today's problems, which countries can you point to as examples that we can copy, emulate or even admire from a distance? Like others have said on this thread and others, Corbyn is growing on me although that is probably because May seems to be trying to throw this election at all costs. But, before I put my cross against our local Labour candidate I want to see his form of government in action, and his style of socialism producing positive results for the populace. And by positive results, I mean people with a moderate to high standard of living, earning a good stable wage compared with their national neighbours (ie, other countries), I want to see a country with maximum employment, a secure country with little or no threat from terrorism or other countries, and a level of economic activity which is sustainable in the medium and long terms. I also want to see a strong union movement which has not been hijacked by militants who are really only involved for their own ends and a green, environmentally friendly way of living and working. Where should I look? |
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 17:47:47 GMT
The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate P1 - They've already solved that. See 'P2'. P2 - You make money by creating debt. Our current population are all maxed out on debt, we're fully milked. So what do you do? You bring in millions more debt slaves, erm.. I mean doctors from the Middle East & engineers from Africa. P3 - The housing crisis, strain on the NHS & such like are all intensified due to 'P2'. It also leads to more people relying on the state (More debt) P4 - Correct, it is all a sham, and indeed the rich do get richer & the poor get more fucked over by the day... And we have the MSM & their lap dogs in Government telling us how things like open borders, free movement of people, refugees welcome & such like are needed to solve all our problems... Thus taking us straight back to 'P1' on steroids. Agree mate yes. I'd add that the 'debt slaves' you reference in P2 are, in the case of doctors and such, sometimes essential for our aging population. And also that the low paid ones are brought over specifically to lower wages at the bottom end. In the free market, profit margins are God and endless competition to be cheapest means something needs to give - generally wages. In P4, I'd add that it's unfortunate we're in a situation where genuine refugees are bundled together with the aforementioned low paid migrant workers. (Not having a pop at you). Lots of very needy people are being caught up in the spin and PR of the establishment trying to pretend neoliberalism is our only economic option. It's absolutely extraordinary that the establishment has managed to maintain this lie - that neoliberalism is the only option available - for so long. It's so transparently bollocks. But then they own most of the mainstream media as you say. Part of my reasoning for voting Corbyn (and Leave for that matter) is that if the establishment goes after those causes as hard as it does then there might be something in it for me  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 1, 2017 18:12:41 GMT
Agree mate yes. I'd add that the 'debt slaves' you reference in P2 are, in the case of doctors and such, sometimes essential for our aging population. And also that the low paid ones are brought over specifically to lower wages at the bottom end. In the free market, profit margins are God and endless competition to be cheapest means something needs to give - generally wages. In P4, I'd add that it's unfortunate we're in a situation where genuine refugees are bundled together with the aforementioned low paid migrant workers. (Not having a pop at you). Lots of very needy people are being caught up in the spin and PR of the establishment trying to pretend neoliberalism is our only economic option. It's absolutely extraordinary that the establishment has managed to maintain this lie - that neoliberalism is the only option available - for so long. It's so transparently bollocks. But then they own most of the mainstream media as you say. Part of my reasoning for voting Corbyn (and Leave for that matter) is that if the establishment goes after those causes as hard as it does then there might be something in it for me So what I get from your post is... Highly skilled foreign workers, or people who can fill a shortage in a given area are welcome here. Genuine refugees, namely women & (genuine) young children from war torn countries are welcome here. Flooding our country with an endless stream of immigration is bad. Fighting age male 'refugees' who've travelled through 15 different 'safe countries' to get here, probably aren't refugees. The establishment are trying to fuck the average Joe British national over in every, possible way. Man, if only anyone on here had been banging this drum for years now.  (I really wanted to believe in Corbyn at the start, but the second he started pandering to the far-left, and his stance on immigration put me right off) |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jun 1, 2017 18:23:57 GMT
White Rabbit.
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 19:52:21 GMT
The problem with Thatcherism, fraise, is that you eventually run out of other people to exploit. Living standards and real world wages stagnate. Personal debt levels skyrocket to cover the shortfall and guess what? You get an economy that's heavily reliant on its financial services sector, which, in order to sustain growth, has to think of ever more creative ways to make money (ie. out of thin air). Remind you of anything? Another result of this system is that you get people in work having to use food banks. You get people homeless. You get people who can't receive healthcare when they need it. Who can't afford to bring up kids. You get 20,000 police laid off because money is more important than people. The rich get richer and the poor get fucked. It's an absolute sham and, to paraphrase the Usual Suspects, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people exactly like you - the white working class - that her economic policies were in any way sustainable, let alone necessary. They're not, and I'm afraid to say that you're nowhere near as independent a thinker as you like to believe. You've been being duped by one school of economic logic for decades - by Tories and by New Labour. Wakey wakey, rise and shine mate If Corbyn and his brand of socialism are the answer for today's problems, which countries can you point to as examples that we can copy, emulate or even admire from a distance? Like others have said on this thread and others, Corbyn is growing on me although that is probably because May seems to be trying to throw this election at all costs. But, before I put my cross against our local Labour candidate I want to see his form of government in action, and his style of socialism producing positive results for the populace. And by positive results, I mean people with a moderate to high standard of living, earning a good stable wage compared with their national neighbours (ie, other countries), I want to see a country with maximum employment, a secure country with little or no threat from terrorism or other countries, and a level of economic activity which is sustainable in the medium and long terms. I also want to see a strong union movement which has not been hijacked by militants who are really only involved for their own ends and a green, environmentally friendly way of living and working. Where should I look? All very noble things to desire in life, mate. And all good questions. Not sure I have the expertise to answer you fully or fairly but for what it's worth, here's my take You could look to countries like Canada or Sweden I think. These models recognise the need for both public and private sectors, but also that a market running rampant has negative effects on the most vulnerable. And actually most people. So the state intervenes, and helps to fix what the market does badly through regulation and, yes, taxes . This creates decent work, rather than the meaningless, precarious 'McJobs' we see in this country, while free education invests in people and encourages social mobility. By building skills which help people find more meaning in their work, we make the workforce as a whole more productive . Yes, it will cost more, but those with the broadest shoulders will pay for it This might be of interest to you if you can be arsed to wade through it All about how greater worker rights (as you suggest) are actually to the benefit of the economy as a whole . blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2016/08/20/the-dark-side-of-economic-freedom-neoliberalism-has-deleterious-effects-on-labour-rights/Of course, people will talk about capital flight. "If we raise taxes then big multinational companies will leave" etc. Well, fuck them quite frankly. Let them take their excuses and their corruption elsewhere. Those companies don't create demand. In the place of them, small business will spring up to supply demand. And will likely make communities far better in the process. (What's more likely is that big multinationals are actually bluffing and will stay regardless - cf. Brexit ) Finally to your terrorism point. It would be disingenuous of me to claim that Corbynomics can stop terrorism. Economics can't really do that, and to be honest nothing will do that overnight . But I'd suggest that a policy of non-intervention, intelligence-led policing, and more police officers in general, stands a far better chance of starting to turn the tide than the current system does. Immigration plays a big part too, of course - and what none of the parties can say with any degree of honesty is how Brexit will affect that. Simply because it's impossible to predict at this time There's loads more to address, including your environmental point. Green energy is another gargantuan missed opportunity that we could all get so much more from. Would Corbyn be greener than the pro-fracking Tory government? I'd imagine so. Thoughts? |
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Post by manmarking on Jun 1, 2017 20:27:44 GMT
Agree mate yes. I'd add that the 'debt slaves' you reference in P2 are, in the case of doctors and such, sometimes essential for our aging population. And also that the low paid ones are brought over specifically to lower wages at the bottom end. In the free market, profit margins are God and endless competition to be cheapest means something needs to give - generally wages. In P4, I'd add that it's unfortunate we're in a situation where genuine refugees are bundled together with the aforementioned low paid migrant workers. (Not having a pop at you). Lots of very needy people are being caught up in the spin and PR of the establishment trying to pretend neoliberalism is our only economic option. It's absolutely extraordinary that the establishment has managed to maintain this lie - that neoliberalism is the only option available - for so long. It's so transparently bollocks. But then they own most of the mainstream media as you say. Part of my reasoning for voting Corbyn (and Leave for that matter) is that if the establishment goes after those causes as hard as it does then there might be something in it for me So what I get from your post is... Highly skilled foreign workers, or people who can fill a shortage in a given area are welcome here. Genuine refugees, namely women & (genuine) young children from war torn countries are welcome here. Flooding our country with an endless stream of immigration is bad. Fighting age male 'refugees' who've travelled through 15 different 'safe countries' to get here, probably aren't refugees. The establishment are trying to fuck the average Joe British national over in every, possible way. Man, if only anyone on here had been banging this drum for years now. (I really wanted to believe in Corbyn at the start, but the second he started pandering to the far-left, and his stance on immigration put me right off) I don't think we've ever been that far apart to be fair mate Where we differ - correct me if I'm wrong - is that I see immigration as a symptom, not the problem itself. I'm no more inclined to believe media outlets on immigration or refugees than I am on Brexit or Jeremy Corbyn. I also believe that the threat from immigrants is hugely played up by the establishment in order to keep us divided and easier to rule. To be clear: do I believe there's a serious problem with integration and radicalism in the Muslim community? 100% yes. And it needs addressing in an intelligent, open minded, pragmatic way. I also differ in thinking that Corbyn is pandering to the far left. Since the 70s, the goalposts have been moved so far to the right that they're now out of the stadium. In the 60s and 70s, Corbyn would've been fairly centre Labour. Again, I believe this far left stuff is an establishment narrative to stifle discussion before it starts - and to prevent people thinking about what he's actually saying |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jun 1, 2017 20:45:12 GMT
I'm looking at this election now in a similar kind of way that I'd look at a football club that have just sacked a steady manager and brought in their own man (like Birmingham with Zola or the Venky's at Blackburn when they sacked Big Sam and brought in Steve Kean). It'd be hilarious if a greedy decision like that (or calling for a snap election to wipe out any opposition in parliament) fucked everything up for them.
Just the Tories being in a slightly worse position than before would be funny. If they end up losing the election I will be laughing about it hysterically for the rest of my life.
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Post by turtlefox on Jun 1, 2017 22:37:19 GMT
I'd vote for Corbyn if the rest of the world thought how he does but it doesn't. Politics ain't about the best way to run your country, it's about getting the best for your country at the time that we're living in and Corbyn, to me, doesn't do that.
Politics didn't come about through people who were willing to compromise. All problems would solved if we compromised.
Not the case though and will never be. Not a shame or will ever be.
Vote Tory.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 22:51:29 GMT
I'd vote for Corbyn if the rest of the world thought how he does but it doesn't. Politics ain't about the best way to run your country, it's about getting the best for your country at the time that we're living in and Corbyn, to me, doesn't do that. Politics didn't come about through people who were willing to compromise. All problems would solved if we compromised. Not the case though and will never be. Not a shame or will ever be. Vote Tory. or vote none of the above |
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Post by yeokel on Jun 2, 2017 8:49:06 GMT
If Corbyn and his brand of socialism are the answer for today's problems, which countries can you point to as examples that we can copy, emulate or even admire from a distance? Like others have said on this thread and others, Corbyn is growing on me although that is probably because May seems to be trying to throw this election at all costs. But, before I put my cross against our local Labour candidate I want to see his form of government in action, and his style of socialism producing positive results for the populace. And by positive results, I mean people with a moderate to high standard of living, earning a good stable wage compared with their national neighbours (ie, other countries), I want to see a country with maximum employment, a secure country with little or no threat from terrorism or other countries, and a level of economic activity which is sustainable in the medium and long terms. I also want to see a strong union movement which has not been hijacked by militants who are really only involved for their own ends and a green, environmentally friendly way of living and working. Where should I look? All very noble things to desire in life, mate. And all good questions. Not sure I have the expertise to answer you fully or fairly but for what it's worth, here's my take You could look to countries like Canada or Sweden I think. These models recognise the need for both public and private sectors, but also that a market running rampant has negative effects on the most vulnerable. And actually most people. So the state intervenes, and helps to fix what the market does badly through regulation and, yes, taxes . This creates decent work, rather than the meaningless, precarious 'McJobs' we see in this country, while free education invests in people and encourages social mobility. By building skills which help people find more meaning in their work, we make the workforce as a whole more productive . Yes, it will cost more, but those with the broadest shoulders will pay for it This might be of interest to you if you can be arsed to wade through it All about how greater worker rights (as you suggest) are actually to the benefit of the economy as a whole . blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2016/08/20/the-dark-side-of-economic-freedom-neoliberalism-has-deleterious-effects-on-labour-rights/Of course, people will talk about capital flight. "If we raise taxes then big multinational companies will leave" etc. Well, fuck them quite frankly. Let them take their excuses and their corruption elsewhere. Those companies don't create demand. In the place of them, small business will spring up to supply demand. And will likely make communities far better in the process. (What's more likely is that big multinationals are actually bluffing and will stay regardless - cf. Brexit ) Finally to your terrorism point. It would be disingenuous of me to claim that Corbynomics can stop terrorism. Economics can't really do that, and to be honest nothing will do that overnight . But I'd suggest that a policy of non-intervention, intelligence-led policing, and more police officers in general, stands a far better chance of starting to turn the tide than the current system does. Immigration plays a big part too, of course - and what none of the parties can say with any degree of honesty is how Brexit will affect that. Simply because it's impossible to predict at this time There's loads more to address, including your environmental point. Green energy is another gargantuan missed opportunity that we could all get so much more from. Would Corbyn be greener than the pro-fracking Tory government? I'd imagine so. Thoughts? Like you, I don't know too much about this vis-a-vis other countries which is why I was asking for suggestions of one but, as far as I am aware, there is no sucessful ultra-left country in the world which the likes of Corbyn can point to and say "this is the utopia we think we can head towards". Like you, I think workers rights are very important and are one of the things that could be eroded once we are free from the EU. However, in this country, strong unions tend to get hijacked by far-left agitators. People such as McGahey, Scargill, Scanlon, & Jones used their union 'leadership' as platforms for their own political aspirations. It was down to the likes of them that the likes of Thatcher came to prominence to fight them. I suspect that if Corbyn has his own way and repeals too much trade union legislation, those days would return promptly. "People say "If we raise taxes then big multinational companies will leave" etc. Well, fuck them quite frankly" No. I think if they leave, it will fuck us not them. We'd all continue to use the likes of Amazon, Google, Shell, McD, Starbucks, etc but they would domicile elsewhere and pay even less tax here than they do at the moment and would employ far fewer people. I'd love to go on, but am at work and can't afford the distraction of composing a lengthy response at the moment. Sorry. But thanks for your reply. |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 2, 2017 8:58:03 GMT
The bottom line for me is that this election is about getting a fair deal on Europe.
We voted to leave, and the high handed response we've had from the euro bureaucrats has merely underlined why it was the right decision.
Now, we need to negotiate, the most important negotiations since WWII, and this election comes down to who you want to handle that negotiation.
Corbyn and Abbott plus some left wing folks with no experience ?.... really ?
Voting for brexit and then voting for labour makes no sense at all.
Appeasement and a soft approach aren't going to work. So that rules out Farron.
I don't care much for May but she and David Davies represent by far our best option in my book. I hope people take a pragmatic approach and elect her and then consider kicking her out after she's done the job if her domestic performance and policies are unpalatable, like we did to Churchill. She needs a big majority behind her to negotiate from a position of strength. Any other result is likely to be disastrous for the country.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 2, 2017 9:43:41 GMT
Hmmm, is this her 'cum face' or 'Oh no, I've fucked it up' face?.. probably applies for both  |
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 2, 2017 10:02:32 GMT
See a she's even hiding from women's hour, as her candidate get charged with election fraud
will be interesting to see if she turns up tonight now!!
Make June the end of May!
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 2, 2017 10:11:58 GMT
See a she's even hiding from women's hour, as her candidate get charged with election fraud will be interesting to see if she turns up tonight now!! Make June the end of May! Don't let the facts get in the way of you making stuff up but the BBC were told 3 weeks ago she was not doing women's hour. |
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 2, 2017 10:13:56 GMT
Q-What's a 12 letter word for liar?
conservative
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 2, 2017 10:15:16 GMT
See a she's even hiding from women's hour, as her candidate get charged with election fraud will be interesting to see if she turns up tonight now!! Make June the end of May! Don't let the facts get in the way of you making stuff up but the BBC were told 3 weeks ago she was not doing women's hour. Still hiding though !! |
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, nothing to do with the Liberals even though they were in a coalition partnership with the Tory's and sold all their voters down the river.
