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Post by FullerMagic on May 22, 2017 20:42:28 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on May 22, 2017 20:43:41 GMT
Moyes did well at Everton but had 2 seasons worse than ours this season. Recent events suggest he cannot do any better than Hughes, particularly in attracting players. Pardew is toxic IMO. Big Sam would keep us in the Prem but not top half.
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Post by potter25 on May 22, 2017 20:48:30 GMT
His problem at united was he couldn't get any insurers in
It was reported at the time united offered more for bale than Real Madrid did but bale wouldn't go due to the manager in charge..
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 20:49:36 GMT
If I had to guess, his next job will be Scotland. Ayr United or similar ilk.
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Post by Pugsley on May 22, 2017 21:05:30 GMT
His problem at united was he couldn't get any insurers in It was reported at the time united offered more for bale than Real Madrid did but bale wouldn't go due to the manager in charge.. He was out of his depth at Man Utd. He didn't get Preston promoted and was lucky to last as long as he did at Everton. Since then he has a shitter at Utd, Sociedad and Sunderland. Championship or Scotland International job awaits.
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Post by Will_75 on May 22, 2017 21:08:16 GMT
Is there anyone who genuinely thinks he would be a good option? Better(ish) than Pardew. Yep would rather have him than Hughes. That's just idiotic.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 22, 2017 21:19:07 GMT
Yep would rather have him than Hughes. That's just idiotic. Reasons why?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 23, 2017 0:19:18 GMT
David Moyes... oooh my chest. Not happening. Breathe and relax.
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Post by hanibal7 on May 23, 2017 0:31:16 GMT
I assume thats a joke, as no sane person, with one brain cell, would opt for him
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Post by hanibal7 on May 23, 2017 0:36:05 GMT
He couldn't take Everton further, let alone Man Utd. It was a declining squad, yeah - but not that much. It was still good enough for the top four. He made cock-up after cock-up there. Again, he's flopped in three jobs now, was that all just down to bad luck and circumstance? Mr Bean wasn't that unlucky. Sunderland were doomed anyway. I think in Spain he just wanted to get away and try something new. Still a better manager than Hughes. That statement beggars belief, ridiculous in fact, but you can have an opinion, hughes hater
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 0:40:46 GMT
Can't believe people still feel like talking about football at the minute.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 0:46:20 GMT
He couldn't take Everton further, let alone Man Utd. It was a declining squad, yeah - but not that much. It was still good enough for the top four. He made cock-up after cock-up there. Again, he's flopped in three jobs now, was that all just down to bad luck and circumstance? Mr Bean wasn't that unlucky. Sunderland were doomed anyway. I think in Spain he just wanted to get away and try something new. Still a better manager than Hughes. Not sure if serious or multiple mental health issues.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 23, 2017 0:50:10 GMT
Sunderland were doomed anyway. I think in Spain he just wanted to get away and try something new. Still a better manager than Hughes. That statement beggars belief, ridiculous in fact, but you can have an opinion, hughes hater Look at his C.V compared to Hughes then come back and tell me what's so ridiculous.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 23, 2017 0:52:43 GMT
Sunderland were doomed anyway. I think in Spain he just wanted to get away and try something new. Still a better manager than Hughes. Not sure if serious or multiple mental health issues. It's just a fact. I can't help that Moyes has achieved more in football than Hughes.
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Post by haway on May 23, 2017 7:56:34 GMT
I'll start by saying I respect him for walking away from compensation, that's helped a little bit.
Apart from that though, he has been a disaster. Yes, the owner has tightened the spending. Yes, he has had some serious injuries in the squad (Watmore injuring his cruciates was really bad luck). No, it wasn't all his fault - the owner refuses to spend now and the attitude of some of these so called professionals has been shocking. Despite all that, he has been a disaster.
From August he was constantly going on saying that the season is going to be tough and we will struggle (said we are in a relegation battle after our FIRST home game). His demeanour in press conferences or on the touchline screamed to me that he was sick of it early on. Hardly someone who struck me as being able to motivate a squad.
His signings on the whole have been comical really. He let Kaboul go for a small fee who was great for us and replaced him with a player who hadn't played in the league for £8m. Massive gamble and it didn't pay off. It gets worse...we needed a striker all window to partner/compete Defoe but got no one. Links with Ulloa & Naismith (hardly great players) came to nothing and we had to sign a player in Anichebe who has the fitness levels of Ledley King...surprisingly he's often been injured so we only had Defoe. Other signings have just been a waste, he has often targeted players who he knows. Gibson, Lescott, Pienaar etc - too old and not players who can make an impact nowadays.
Towards the end, it was obvious he wanted to go. Instead of facing up to the crowd, he cowardly ran down the tunnel and didn't look back. For away trips especially, not acknowledging your club's fans isn't the smartest tactic...
I see people suggest they'd be happy to replace Hughes with Moyes; you lot are idiots. I would rank him lower than the likes of Roy Keane & Gus Poyet in manager ability, would you take them too? Things might be stale with Hughes but if he is to be replaced you need to aim higher than a man who managed 2 home wins all season and took us down without a fight.
He has been a disaster.
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Post by skip on May 23, 2017 8:08:34 GMT
Pardew? The vainest man in football.
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Post by stokerstayinup on May 23, 2017 8:52:36 GMT
That statement beggars belief, ridiculous in fact, but you can have an opinion, hughes hater Look at his C.V compared to Hughes then come back and tell me what's so ridiculous. Moyes finished 7th in his first season at Everton.The following season they finished 17th.You would have been calling for his head.
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Post by Will_75 on May 23, 2017 8:58:27 GMT
Pardew? The vainest man in football. indeed. a remarkable achievement in a world that contains John Terry.
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Post by Miles Offside on May 23, 2017 9:00:27 GMT
If we were going to get rid of Hughes, and that looks unlikely, I'd hope we'd go for somebody who could bring us a bit of excitement. Nobody knows how it would pan out when a new manager is brought in, but my gut feeling is that Moyes wouldn't be much different than what we've got.
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Post by Will_75 on May 23, 2017 9:00:28 GMT
I'll start by saying I respect him for walking away from compensation, that's helped a little bit. Apart from that though, he has been a disaster. Yes, the owner has tightened the spending. Yes, he has had some serious injuries in the squad (Watmore injuring his cruciates was really bad luck). No, it wasn't all his fault - the owner refuses to spend now and the attitude of some of these so called professionals has been shocking. Despite all that, he has been a disaster. From August he was constantly going on saying that the season is going to be tough and we will struggle (said we are in a relegation battle after our FIRST home game). His demeanour in press conferences or on the touchline screamed to me that he was sick of it early on. Hardly someone who struck me as being able to motivate a squad. His signings on the whole have been comical really. He let Kaboul go for a small fee who was great for us and replaced him with a player who hadn't played in the league for £8m. Massive gamble and it didn't pay off. It gets worse...we needed a striker all window to partner/compete Defoe but got no one. Links with Ulloa & Naismith (hardly great players) came to nothing and we had to sign a player in Anichebe who has the fitness levels of Ledley King...surprisingly he's often been injured so we only had Defoe. Other signings have just been a waste, he has often targeted players who he knows. Gibson, Lescott, Pienaar etc - too old and not players who can make an impact nowadays. Towards the end, it was obvious he wanted to go. Instead of facing up to the crowd, he cowardly ran down the tunnel and didn't look back. For away trips especially, not acknowledging your club's fans isn't the smartest tactic... I see people suggest they'd be happy to replace Hughes with Moyes; you lot are idiots. I would rank him lower than the likes of Roy Keane & Gus Poyet in manager ability, would you take them too? Things might be stale with Hughes but if he is to be replaced you need to aim higher than a man who managed 2 home wins all season and took us down without a fight. He has been a disaster. Thanks - I was hoping someone like you would come along and makes exactly these points. I'm not sure if the poster in question is bored and on a wind up, or just a bit odd.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 23, 2017 9:04:05 GMT
If I was a Sunderland fan I would be concerned. Not to the fact that Moyes resigned ( and fair play he refused compo) but what appears to be the reason behind his resignation, in other words no money available
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:07:19 GMT
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Post by haway on May 23, 2017 12:00:18 GMT
I'll start by saying I respect him for walking away from compensation, that's helped a little bit. Apart from that though, he has been a disaster. Yes, the owner has tightened the spending. Yes, he has had some serious injuries in the squad (Watmore injuring his cruciates was really bad luck). No, it wasn't all his fault - the owner refuses to spend now and the attitude of some of these so called professionals has been shocking. Despite all that, he has been a disaster. From August he was constantly going on saying that the season is going to be tough and we will struggle (said we are in a relegation battle after our FIRST home game). His demeanour in press conferences or on the touchline screamed to me that he was sick of it early on. Hardly someone who struck me as being able to motivate a squad. His signings on the whole have been comical really. He let Kaboul go for a small fee who was great for us and replaced him with a player who hadn't played in the league for £8m. Massive gamble and it didn't pay off. It gets worse...we needed a striker all window to partner/compete Defoe but got no one. Links with Ulloa & Naismith (hardly great players) came to nothing and we had to sign a player in Anichebe who has the fitness levels of Ledley King...surprisingly he's often been injured so we only had Defoe. Other signings have just been a waste, he has often targeted players who he knows. Gibson, Lescott, Pienaar etc - too old and not players who can make an impact nowadays. Towards the end, it was obvious he wanted to go. Instead of facing up to the crowd, he cowardly ran down the tunnel and didn't look back. For away trips especially, not acknowledging your club's fans isn't the smartest tactic... I see people suggest they'd be happy to replace Hughes with Moyes; you lot are idiots. I would rank him lower than the likes of Roy Keane & Gus Poyet in manager ability, would you take them too? Things might be stale with Hughes but if he is to be replaced you need to aim higher than a man who managed 2 home wins all season and took us down without a fight. He has been a disaster. Thanks - I was hoping someone like you would come along and makes exactly these points. I'm not sure if the poster in question is bored and on a wind up, or just a bit odd. No problem, if the poster is being serious he must be basing it on the Everton career Moyes had as manager...if that was the case then you should also look at Curbishley after the job he did at Charlton etc
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Post by haway on May 23, 2017 12:01:17 GMT
If I was a Sunderland fan I would be concerned. Not to the fact that Moyes resigned ( and fair play he refused compo) but what appears to be the reason behind his resignation, in other words no money available A lot of us know that. Moyes was part of the problem but was not the main culprit (I've said that on this board before I think).
The owner still needs to leave for our sake if he doesn't want to spend any money.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 23, 2017 12:20:59 GMT
If I was a Sunderland fan I would be concerned. Not to the fact that Moyes resigned ( and fair play he refused compo) but what appears to be the reason behind his resignation, in other words no money available A lot of us know that. Moyes was part of the problem but was not the main culprit (I've said that on this board before I think).
The owner still needs to leave for our sake if he doesn't want to spend any money.
I hope he does fella. Have a few friends up there - such a shame to see
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 23, 2017 12:28:07 GMT
A couple of observations. I find it a bit rich that Alan Shearer says he "fears for Sunderland and the had it coming to them".
This is the football expert who crash landed Newcastle into the Championship in his 12 game stint under pressure.
Life is a bit more comfortable in the pundit's chair...
Also, the Championship looks like it will be fantastic again next season - Sunderland, Boro, Villa, Brum, Derby, Leeds, Wolves, Forest, Sheff Wednesday, Sheff Utd, Bolton, Norwich and Ipswich plus a rejuvenated Cardiff, who may be the dark horses. Some great old clubs in the most competitive league in Europe.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 23, 2017 12:33:22 GMT
Look at his C.V compared to Hughes then come back and tell me what's so ridiculous. Moyes finished 7th in his first season at Everton.The following season they finished 17th.You would have been calling for his head. Maybe, still doesn't change the fact that he's a better manager and Hughes and I'd rather have him.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:55:08 GMT
Thank you for everything, David!
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2017 13:05:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 14:54:39 GMT
Sky Sources saying Sunderland have made no approach/contact with Giggs.
Although Sky Sports sources are horse shit.
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