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Post by mermaidsal on May 21, 2017 20:29:54 GMT
I was calling for Leslie's head in September and no apologies for that, we looked like a train wreck only headed in one direction straight for Wrecksville Central. Incredibly, we weren't, and although the season's never been better than patchy despite a flattering league position for a while, we got out of it alive and with Hughes still at the helm.
I thought I'd be shouting Hughes Out again by now but actually, I'm not feeling that strongly. Good manager, bad season is more my feeling right now. Would I hate a change of manager over the summer? No, but over time Sparky's given us a hell of a lot and I'm not averse to giving him more time now. However, unlike many people I don't think it's all about new signings - of course we have areas we badly need to strengthen but we need a major tactical rethink more, especially in the way we defend (or don't) and how we get the best out of set pieces at both ends (or don't). The right new defensive coach could still transform us under the present regime.
For the season, on balance, it's a 4 from me.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
8.5
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Post by adi on May 21, 2017 20:32:44 GMT
5
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 21, 2017 20:39:37 GMT
3.
Keeping us up is the only positive. Same problems persist with failing to start the season well or finding a consistent team.
Wrong purchases in the window, boring unconvincing football and woeful substitutions. Splashing 18 million on a player who has been sent into exile and sending our only creative no.10 out on loan.
We still have to rely on Crouch to deliver the goods, but the man is 36, we need younger, faster, hungry strikers. (Hoping on Berahino)
We need two new full-backs, a solid defensive midfielder and a no.10 to see some decent changes to the way we play. Get Bruno signed as well and fight off any interest for Arnie/Shaq with a shitty stick.
Hughes out.
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Post by Pugsley on May 21, 2017 20:41:23 GMT
Oh dear.
I'll give people their due, they've been patient.
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Post by ElworthPotter on May 21, 2017 20:41:42 GMT
A generous 2.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2017 20:43:32 GMT
4
And that's a point added for signing Lee Grant.
Awful football
No plan
No tactics
Poor subs
Too much changing
Not using the youth
Going back to hoofball (but not doing it particularly right)
A lack of organisation at set pieces and with the team in general
Fan apathy
Dodgy contract renewals
Inconsistent and unfair treatment of certain players
Glen Johnson
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 21, 2017 20:47:27 GMT
4 And that's a point added for signing Lee Grant. Awful football No plan No tactics Poor subs Too much changing Not using the youth Going back to hoofball (but not doing it particularly right) A lack of organisation at set pieces and with the team in general Fan apathy Dodgy contract renewals Inconsistent and unfair treatment of certain players Glen Johnson So.. what's he done to get such a high mark of 4 then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2017 20:52:13 GMT
4 And that's a point added for signing Lee Grant. Awful football No plan No tactics Poor subs Too much changing Not using the youth Going back to hoofball (but not doing it particularly right) A lack of organisation at set pieces and with the team in general Fan apathy Dodgy contract renewals Inconsistent and unfair treatment of certain players Glen Johnson So.. what's he done to get such a high mark of 4 then? 1 point for Bruno 1 point for Grant 1 point for not getting relegated And another for fuck knows what! 4 seemed low enough 😂
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Post by Trouserdog on May 21, 2017 21:06:04 GMT
5
He summed it up well himself: disappointing but not a disaster.
Finishing position and points total are acceptable but nothing more.
Entertainment value has been below-par.
Cup performance was terrible.
Tactics have been confusing and, at times, bordering on incompetent.
Transfers have been OK. Grant, Ramadan and Martins Indi brilliant deals, Allen probably just about worth what we paid and the jury remians out on Berahino.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2017 21:08:46 GMT
5 He summed it up well himself: disappointing but not a disaster. Finishing position and points total are acceptable but nothing more. Entertainment value has been below-par. Cup performance was terrible. Tactics have been confusing and, at times, bordering on incompetent. Transfers have been OK. Grant, Ramadan and Martins Indi brilliant deals, Allen probably just about worth what we paid and the jury remians out on Berahino. I forgot about the cup. 🙈 Fuck it's been poor. 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 21:10:12 GMT
It's a 4 from me.
Far too many mistakes for an experienced manager.
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Post by Jimm on May 21, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
3. Shit pre season preparation, unfit players, having to resort to the old guard, spunked tens of millions on players that don't suit us, no plan b, unable to see/change things in real time, non enjoyable football and unable to accept he was wrong. I want him gone but looks like he's staying.
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Post by chad on May 21, 2017 21:23:47 GMT
5 not great but never in real danger. Poor in cups Must do better
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Post by RF10 on May 21, 2017 22:07:53 GMT
5. Not a terrible season / not a good season. Pretty mediocre all around.
If Chelsea can go from Champions to midtable to back champions, i'm sure we can bounce back to the level we were before.
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Post by cooper67 on May 21, 2017 22:25:00 GMT
Could do better.
4.5.
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Post by kingdong on May 21, 2017 22:26:21 GMT
5. Not a terrible season / not a good season. Pretty mediocre all around. If Chelsea can go from Champions to midtable to back champions, i'm sure we can bounce back to the level we were before. ...by changing the manager...
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 21, 2017 22:39:01 GMT
A pretty dismal season of regression and some perplexing and unfathomable decisions along the way - least enjoyable of the 9 seasons - a 3 from me.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:44:58 GMT
So.. what's he done to get such a high mark of 4 then? 1 point for Bruno 1 point for Grant 1 point for not getting relegated And another for fuck knows what! 4 seemed low enough 😂 Was it for having a shave? I can't think of where he could gain that extra point.
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Post by borat on May 21, 2017 22:45:01 GMT
5 but remember at least 8 out of 10 for the other 3 seasons, perspective.
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Post by santy on May 21, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
The season has been awful if you look at it as just Stoke and no other team plays any relevance. But overall, looking at the big picture I'd say it'd have to be a middle of the road 6-7 rating for me.
7 teams at the top garnered far more points collectively this year, than pretty much any other year and Arsenal finishing 5th on 75 points shows that this season a number of the stronger teams all performed consistently quite well. There was also no usual buffer of 1-2 teams who survived, but were still cut adrift from the teams above so the league divided into a group of 7 at the top, a group of 3 at the bottom and 10 teams who were all as bad as each other in truth.
The only team that comes out of this season with something positive is Burnley. Literally just Burnley. So for me that makes it an average season that is fairly forgettable.
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Post by turtlefox on May 22, 2017 0:02:48 GMT
Said 7.5 on a similar thread a while ago but now the season's over, a 6. Hughes though gets a 3. Has not inspired much in prescence or tactics. We could have been lower or higher with only a few points either way of both but with who we have playing for us, some originality in tactics from the manager could have been the difference between 13th and 8th.
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Post by GoBoks on May 22, 2017 0:18:37 GMT
We are one win out of 8th spot.
5 - Not good, and Lord knows I don't want a repeat next year, but not a disaster either. For me his average over 4 seasons is still over 7.
Le'ts hope he is put on a super detailed bonus scheme next year and that we no longer see "Casual Stoke".
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Post by GoBoks on May 22, 2017 0:19:57 GMT
The season has been awful if you look at it as just Stoke and no other team plays any relevance. But overall, looking at the big picture I'd say it'd have to be a middle of the road 6-7 rating for me. 7 teams at the top garnered far more points collectively this year, than pretty much any other year and Arsenal finishing 5th on 75 points shows that this season a number of the stronger teams all performed consistently quite well. There was also no usual buffer of 1-2 teams who survived, but were still cut adrift from the teams above so the league divided into a group of 7 at the top, a group of 3 at the bottom and 10 teams who were all as bad as each other in truth. The only team that comes out of this season with something positive is Burnley. Literally just Burnley. So for me that makes it an average season that is fairly forgettable. And Chelsea?
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Post by Sfance on May 22, 2017 0:26:46 GMT
A generous 3.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 22, 2017 0:32:37 GMT
It's a 4 from me.......and I can't see how anyone even with rose tinted specs can give him more than a 5.
5 for staying up without a whiff of a relegation battle once we finally won a game or two. This should still not be taken for granted.
3 for each of Grant, Bruno and Ramadan.
Minus 4 for Imbula, Bojan, poor cup runs and tactical chaos.
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Post by reddipotter on May 22, 2017 2:23:05 GMT
The season has been awful if you look at it as just Stoke and no other team plays any relevance. But overall, looking at the big picture I'd say it'd have to be a middle of the road 6-7 rating for me. 7 teams at the top garnered far more points collectively this year, than pretty much any other year and Arsenal finishing 5th on 75 points shows that this season a number of the stronger teams all performed consistently quite well. There was also no usual buffer of 1-2 teams who survived, but were still cut adrift from the teams above so the league divided into a group of 7 at the top, a group of 3 at the bottom and 10 teams who were all as bad as each other in truth. The only team that comes out of this season with something positive is Burnley. Literally just Burnley. So for me that makes it an average season that is fairly forgettable. Bournemouth are happy, too.
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Post by reddipotter on May 22, 2017 2:27:40 GMT
For a season where I stopped looking forward to home games, I can't give more than 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 2:55:13 GMT
4
+ BMI, Grant, Ramadan, Allen, all decent signings. Bony was a coup even if it didn't work out. The switch to 3 at the back got us some valuable points in winter when our midfield was down to bare bones.
- Persisted with 442 for far too long before realising it never worked. Finishing with our lowest points total. Finishing 2 points behind Bournemouth. Finishing 2 points behind Saints ,who haven't scored at home in 7 hours. Loaning out our only number 10, at a time when we lacked creativity (still do). Hanging Bojan and Imbula out to dry against Wolves, then writing them off at half time. Persisting with Joe Allen at number 10 after December. Leaving Shaqiri out of the team in Nov/Dec. Dropping Bardsley for Johnson, after a string of solid performances. Trying to play hoofball without the players to do it. New contract for Johnson. Playing Johnson as a centre half in three at the back. Another for the 442. Dropping players after good games.
I refuse to count keeping us up as a bonus, that should be part and parcel. A lot that has to be improved in summer. If he stays, it's worrying, but I hope he turns it around.
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Post by Gunslinger on May 22, 2017 5:38:27 GMT
3 - A very disappointing season on far too many levels.
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