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Post by maninasuitcase on May 22, 2017 5:54:57 GMT
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When you scrape away the shite there's not a lot of shiny gold beneath.
The glimmers of gold have been Bruno and Grant but beyond that it's been dreadful and he has deserved the criticism directed at him.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 5:58:48 GMT
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The most boring season since Pulis' binary season. We have been dreadful to watch for the most part and how we managed to get 44 points, fuck only knows.
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Post by metalhead on May 22, 2017 5:59:30 GMT
I'm not in the Hughes out camp.... Primarily because better the devil you know.
5 for me. A season of very few highs but quite a few lows. We never really got going and but for a purple patch around winter, we could have easily been dragged into a relegation battle.
He took points of the teams around us and that's a surefire way to stay up. I'm concerned over his handling of Imbula and Sobhi though.
For me, his job remains in the balance. Start next season poorly? The tide will turn.
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Post by RAF on May 22, 2017 6:16:07 GMT
5.
There are times this season I've considered that sacking Hughes would be the correct option. Not a great lot to shout about, noteable games away at Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. I don't think we have had a great deal of luck either. I'm happy to see where we are after the transfer window, pre season and the first 5-6 games.
I do remember several posters saying if Pulis ever got us relegated he should be given the chance to get us back up. Well Hughes hasn't got us relegated and you are refusing to give him a chance you fickle hypocritical cunts.
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Post by kurt on May 22, 2017 6:22:17 GMT
1 point for not being relegated, that´s the only positive for me
HUGHES OUT!!
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Post by OldStokie on May 22, 2017 6:48:47 GMT
5. There are times this season I've considered that sacking Hughes would be the correct option. Not a great lot to shout about, noteable games away at Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. I don't think we have had a great deal of luck either. I'm happy to see where we are after the transfer window, pre season and the first 5-6 games. I do remember several posters saying if Pulis ever got us relegated he should be given the chance to get us back up. Well Hughes hasn't got us relegated and you are refusing to give him a chance you fickle hypocritical cunts. H This. I'm feeling bone idle and I'll use RAFF's time. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) OS.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 22, 2017 7:27:58 GMT
5. There are times this season I've considered that sacking Hughes would be the correct option. Not a great lot to shout about, noteable games away at Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. I don't think we have had a great deal of luck either. I'm happy to see where we are after the transfer window, pre season and the first 5-6 games. I do remember several posters saying if Pulis ever got us relegated he should be given the chance to get us back up. Well Hughes hasn't got us relegated and you are refusing to give him a chance you fickle hypocritical cunts. H I still can't get my head round the failure to play Sobhi much over the past 6 weeks when his performances before that clearly indicated he was worth a place. He must have been the last person in the stadium this season to realise that Shaq looks better in a central position. I'm not calling for his head though because I'm not sure there is an outstanding replacement who would be prepared to join us. I still can't get Charlton out of my head where an experienced manager was sacked because the fans got fed up with mid table finishes. If Coates can persuade a better manager to join then I'll be comfortable with the decision but, unless he has someone in mind, I reckon I'll have to hope Hughes has learned by his mistakes - of which there have been many.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2017 7:35:39 GMT
5. There are times this season I've considered that sacking Hughes would be the correct option. Not a great lot to shout about, noteable games away at Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. I don't think we have had a great deal of luck either. I'm happy to see where we are after the transfer window, pre season and the first 5-6 games. I do remember several posters saying if Pulis ever got us relegated he should be given the chance to get us back up. Well Hughes hasn't got us relegated and you are refusing to give him a chance you fickle hypocritical cunts. H I still can't get my head round the failure to play Sobhi much over the past 6 weeks when his performances before that clearly indicated he was worth a place. He must have been the last person in the stadium this season to realise that Shaq looks better in a central position. I'm not calling for his head though because I'm not sure there is an outstanding replacement who would be prepared to join us. I still can't get Charlton out of my head where an experienced manager was sacked because the fans got fed up with mid table finishes. If Coates can persuade a better manager to join then I'll be comfortable with the decision but, unless he has someone in mind, I reckon I'll have to hope Hughes has learned by his mistakes - of which there have been many. The 'Remember Charlton' didn't wash when it was time for Tone to go and it doesn't wash now to be honest Forny. Curbishley wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition, and Charlton's problems ran deeper than just a question of who the manager was. You have to get the following appointment right but that doesn't mean necessarily you're wrong to replace the inclumbent manager. For every 'remember Charlton' there's a team like Palace, who seem to upgrade their manager almost every time, or Southampton who replaced Adkins with Pochettino.
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Post by RAF on May 22, 2017 7:36:54 GMT
5. There are times this season I've considered that sacking Hughes would be the correct option. Not a great lot to shout about, noteable games away at Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. I don't think we have had a great deal of luck either. I'm happy to see where we are after the transfer window, pre season and the first 5-6 games. I do remember several posters saying if Pulis ever got us relegated he should be given the chance to get us back up. Well Hughes hasn't got us relegated and you are refusing to give him a chance you fickle hypocritical cunts. H I still can't get my head round the failure to play Sobhi much over the past 6 weeks when his performances before that clearly indicated he was worth a place. He must have been the last person in the stadium this season to realise that Shaq looks better in a central position. I'm not calling for his head though because I'm not sure there is an outstanding replacement who would be prepared to join us. I still can't get Charlton out of my head where an experienced manager was sacked because the fans got fed up with mid table finishes. If Coates can persuade a better manager to join then I'll be comfortable with the decision but, unless he has someone in mind, I reckon I'll have to hope Hughes has learned by his mistakes - of which there have been many. The Sobhi thing is one thing that has baffled me Forner. Is he not doing it in training or is this a Triggi and Ziggi situation where a player has been brought in over the managers head and he's kicking back? Not sure but for me we need to see more of him. H
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 22, 2017 7:38:17 GMT
4 And that's a point added for signing Lee Grant. Awful football No plan No tactics Poor subs Too much changing Not using the youth Going back to hoofball (but not doing it particularly right) A lack of organisation at set pieces and with the team in general Fan apathy Dodgy contract renewals Inconsistent and unfair treatment of certain players Glen Johnson Other than that he's had a good season 🤔
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 22, 2017 7:40:42 GMT
I still can't get my head round the failure to play Sobhi much over the past 6 weeks when his performances before that clearly indicated he was worth a place. He must have been the last person in the stadium this season to realise that Shaq looks better in a central position. I'm not calling for his head though because I'm not sure there is an outstanding replacement who would be prepared to join us. I still can't get Charlton out of my head where an experienced manager was sacked because the fans got fed up with mid table finishes. If Coates can persuade a better manager to join then I'll be comfortable with the decision but, unless he has someone in mind, I reckon I'll have to hope Hughes has learned by his mistakes - of which there have been many. The 'Remember Charlton' didn't wash when it was time for Tone to go and it doesn't wash now to be honest Forny. Curbishley wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition, and Charlton's problems ran deeper than just a question of who the manager was. You have to get the following appointment right but that doesn't mean necessarily you're wrong to replace the inclumbent manager. For every 'remember Charlton' there's a team like Palace, who seem to upgrade their manager almost every time, or Southampton who replaced Adkins with Pochettino. You misunderstand me. I won't shed any tears if he goes and is replaced by better. I'm just not sure that we'll end up with better. And if we don't end up with better, then we could end up with a relegation. Coates doesn't have any record of appointing non British managers and shows no sign of changing his spots. I'm not sure a British manager who is clearly better is available at present - Swansea probably signed the last one and even he was a gamble as he had little managerial (as opposed to coaching) experience.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2017 7:43:36 GMT
The 'Remember Charlton' didn't wash when it was time for Tone to go and it doesn't wash now to be honest Forny. Curbishley wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition, and Charlton's problems ran deeper than just a question of who the manager was. You have to get the following appointment right but that doesn't mean necessarily you're wrong to replace the inclumbent manager. For every 'remember Charlton' there's a team like Palace, who seem to upgrade their manager almost every time, or Southampton who replaced Adkins with Pochettino. You misunderstand me. I won't shed any tears if he goes and is replaced by better. I'm just not sure that we'll end up with better. And if we don't end up with better, then we could end up with a relegation. Coates doesn't have any record of appointing non British managers and shows no sign of changing his spots. I'm not sure a British manager who is clearly better is available at present - Swansea probably signed the last one and even he was a gamble as he had little managerial (as opposed to coaching) experience. It's always a gamble though. And it's arguably just as much a gamble to stick as it is twist, given our ongoing malaise that's last since January 2016 and the scant evidence to show signs the current regime knows how to address it. Personally I'm not entirely convinced by the idea Coates wouldn't appoint a foreign manager. I don't believe you succeed in business to the degree he has by closing your mind completely to a particular section of candidates.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 22, 2017 7:45:29 GMT
You misunderstand me. I won't shed any tears if he goes and is replaced by better. I'm just not sure that we'll end up with better. And if we don't end up with better, then we could end up with a relegation. Coates doesn't have any record of appointing non British managers and shows no sign of changing his spots. I'm not sure a British manager who is clearly better is available at present - Swansea probably signed the last one and even he was a gamble as he had little managerial (as opposed to coaching) experience. It's always a gamble though. And it's arguably just as much a gamble to stick as it is twist, given our ongoing malaise that's last since January 2016 and the scant evidence to show signs the current regime knows how to address it. Personally I'm not entirely convinced by the idea Coates wouldn't appoint a foreign manager. I don't believe you succeed in business to the degree he has by closing your mind completely to a particular section of candidates. He never has appointed a non British manager though, has he? Has he even drawn up a short list which included a non British manager who got as far as an interview?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2017 7:53:38 GMT
It's always a gamble though. And it's arguably just as much a gamble to stick as it is twist, given our ongoing malaise that's last since January 2016 and the scant evidence to show signs the current regime knows how to address it. Personally I'm not entirely convinced by the idea Coates wouldn't appoint a foreign manager. I don't believe you succeed in business to the degree he has by closing your mind completely to a particular section of candidates. He never has appointed a non British manager though, has he? Has he even drawn up a short list which included a non British manager who got as far as an interview? He's only had to appoint two managers this century, and only one of those in the Premier League. The game has moved on since he had to reasonably regularly appoint them, and I'm not entirely sure the same rules apply.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 8:06:59 GMT
I'll give him a 5, middle of the road score for a squad that finished middle of the table with at best, average performances.
Big summer for MH and we need to start next season fit and ready to fight. No doubt a few new faces will be added but for me Hughes needs to sort out the coaching staff and do some serious work with the squad.
We have decent players who can't defend, produce nothing from free kicks, who can't take a decent corner and who produce very few threatening attacks on goal. This is basic stuff that's not being addressed. I'm not even sure who the coaching staff are but they either need to get serious or get people in who know what they're doing.
Multi million pound players earning thousands per week and they can't beat the first man from a corner ? Basic stuff, sort it this summer !
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Post by SCFC92 on May 22, 2017 8:25:06 GMT
It has been an atrocious season where he has hit few if none of his targets!
Top half finish - Failed Cup Runs - Failed Move the brand of football forward - Failed and gone backwards Second worst points total in our premier league history and the football is absolutely rubbish, the team is aging, we are resorting to clogging it to Crouch (who without I shudder to think what would have happened)
I am firmly in the Hughes out camp however will swallow that and get behind the bloke given that it seems the family trust him to take us forward, and god I hope he proves me and a lot of others wrong. I will happily eat humble pie in that case!
He has made me feel like going to see my team is a chore and for that reason..
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Post by geoff321 on May 22, 2017 8:27:28 GMT
League tables don't tend to lie and I think the final position reflects the strength, or lack of it, of the Stoke squad rather than just the ability of the manager.
Looking at the clubs in the middle of the table, a number have match winning players which I think Stoke lack. Swansea have Llorente and Sigurdsson, Leicester Vardy and Mahrez, Bournemouth Wilshere and King, arguably Palace with Zaha and Benteke. West Ham and Southampton also have stronger squads than Stoke in my opinion.
Of course the blame can be put on the Stoke manager for some of the signings he made but in terms of the players he had available this season he's probably done reasonably well.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2017 8:32:29 GMT
League tables don't tend to lie and I think the final position reflects the strength, or lack of it, of the Stoke squad rather than just the ability of the manager. Looking at the clubs in the middle of the table, a number have match winning players which I think Stoke lack. Swansea have Llorente and Sigurdsson, Leicester Vardy and Mahrez, Bournemouth Wilshere and King, arguably Palace with Zaha and Benteke. West Ham and Southampton also have stronger squads than Stoke in my opinion. Of course the blame can be put on the Stoke manager for some of the signings he made but in terms of the players he had available this season he's probably done reasonably well. He has built this squad. It's down to him it's unbalanced and down to him that we've regressed.
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Post by kurt on May 22, 2017 8:43:24 GMT
It has been an atrocious season where he has hit few if none of his targets! Top half finish - Failed Cup Runs - Failed Move the brand of football forward - Failed and gone backwards Second worst points total in our premier league history and the football is absolutely rubbish, the team is aging, we are resorting to clogging it to Crouch (who without I shudder to think what would have happened) ...and the extra class teams of WesBrom and Bournemouth finishing above us
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 22, 2017 8:51:03 GMT
Wank.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 22, 2017 8:59:38 GMT
It's been a difficult season in a hard league. The top 6-7 are better and more consistent - was it last season we finished above Everton and Chelsea? The pack are more even, and next season everyone from Saints down in 8th are relegation candidates.
The reality is that if we kept out the last minute equalisers at home to West Brom and Manchester United we would have finished 8th.
There's no doubt it hasn't gone to plan. Imbula just hasn't worked out, Bojan is out of form and out of favour, Shaq's had too many niggles and Jack's missed the season. Those 4 should have been our superstars and would have brought more out of the 5th star, Marko.
The Butland injury was a huge setback this season, and surely we can all agree that MH responded well to a difficult situation with the signings of Lee and Bruno. Midfield is a mess though, and the key challenges are to find a defensive and/or box to box midfielder that will allow him to go back to that exciting 4-3-3 formation that hammered Liverpool and both Manchester Clubs in 2015.
Still have high hopes for the club and MH to re-produce that scintillating football we saw not so long ago. That one key signing in centre mid could make us tick again.
For me, looking at some of the difficulties, how he responded and trying to focus on the positives, it's a 6.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 22, 2017 9:03:56 GMT
10 stopping in the premier league next season and bringing millions in for the Coates family by spending Fuck all , he's a chairmans dream
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Post by geoff321 on May 22, 2017 9:06:47 GMT
I don't think we want to know what you're doing this morning!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2017 9:07:28 GMT
It's been a difficult season in a hard league. The top 6-7 are better and more consistent - was it last season we finished above Everton and Chelsea? The pack are more even, and next season everyone from Saints down in 8th are relegation candidates. The reality is that if we kept out the last minute equalisers at home to West Brom and Manchester United we would have finished 8th. There's no doubt it hasn't gone to plan. Imbula just hasn't worked out, Bojan is out of form and out of favour, Shaq's had too many niggles and Jack's missed the season. Those 4 should have been our superstars and would have brought more out of the 5th star, Marko. The Butland injury was a huge setback this season, and surely we can all agree that MH responded well to a difficult situation with the signings of Lee and Bruno. Midfield is a mess though, and the key challenges are to find a defensive and/or box to box midfielder that will allow him to go back to that exciting 4-3-3 formation that hammered Liverpool and both Manchester Clubs in 2015. Still have high hopes for the club and MH to re-produce that scintillating football we saw not so long ago. That one key signing in centre mid could make us tick again. For me, looking at some of the difficulties, how he responded and trying to focus on the positives, it's a 6. We haven't come close to reproducing it for 18 months though. That's an awful lot of faith to put in something that doesn't have a lot of recent evidence to back it up. We've needed an alternative to Whelan and to Pieters for years. We need a right back but have just given a new deal to a geriatric who isn't performing. The squad is so unbalanced that it isn't currently obvious which system would best suit it. These aren't new problems that have just materialised this season either.
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Post by stokiejohnss on May 22, 2017 9:12:43 GMT
Getting knocked out of the cups was disappointing but that's knock out football for you . And no home games when you could say in the pub after "didn't we play well today". So an uninspiring season particularly at home - and with injuries players out of form and Imbula just maybe we actually did quite well not to have been involved in a relegation battle . I don't go with this our squad is so much better than others or our points total/performances suggest- imo we are like about 10 other Premier League sides. We certainly need to strengthen in defense and midfield - i think we have the forwards ! I'll give him 6.5
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Post by jeycov on May 22, 2017 9:20:34 GMT
6 Stuck to his guns despite pressure from certain players and fans A trait to be admired but a bit too stubborn on occasions Coates has faith in him, we should back him too
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Post by adamsson on May 22, 2017 9:23:11 GMT
Not one single convincing win all season and far too many convincing defeats
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Post by frodekippe on May 22, 2017 9:25:32 GMT
Somewhere between a 3 and a 4 for me, but either way he's definitely fallen below expectations for the first time as our manager.
The dream at the start of every season is to break into the top eight and/or get to a cup final and give us that magical feeling of playing European football again. We know that this is potentially a once in a generation outcome so I would never judge him against this but it always needs to be the dream as the potential for this happening is definitely there.
The realistic aim is for me is for us to comfortably avoid the relegation battle whilst upsetting some of the big boys along the way and having a run in the cups that gives us something to get excited about beyond February. For me this is where we have failed miserably this season. I remember walking away from the Wolves game saying that I didn't really give a shit about the season, and I haven't been able to shake off that feeling since. There hasn't been a single game where I've gone home thinking "We were bloody brilliant today." The only real cause for excitement has been the flashes of brilliance from Ramadan and even then Sparky has managed to spoil that one by inexplicably dropping him every time he looks like cementing his place in the side.
Add on top of this the seven occasions that we've conceded four, the absolute farce that has been the Bony experiment, the disappearance of Imbula and the writing off of £18m in the process, the isolation of Bojan and the sheer dependence on the old guard culminating in the increasingly under-performing Glen Johnson getting a new deal and it's really hard to give him a positive rating.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 22, 2017 9:44:16 GMT
It's been a difficult season in a hard league. The top 6-7 are better and more consistent - was it last season we finished above Everton and Chelsea? The pack are more even, and next season everyone from Saints down in 8th are relegation candidates. The reality is that if we kept out the last minute equalisers at home to West Brom and Manchester United we would have finished 8th. There's no doubt it hasn't gone to plan. Imbula just hasn't worked out, Bojan is out of form and out of favour, Shaq's had too many niggles and Jack's missed the season. Those 4 should have been our superstars and would have brought more out of the 5th star, Marko. The Butland injury was a huge setback this season, and surely we can all agree that MH responded well to a difficult situation with the signings of Lee and Bruno. Midfield is a mess though, and the key challenges are to find a defensive and/or box to box midfielder that will allow him to go back to that exciting 4-3-3 formation that hammered Liverpool and both Manchester Clubs in 2015. Still have high hopes for the club and MH to re-produce that scintillating football we saw not so long ago. That one key signing in centre mid could make us tick again. For me, looking at some of the difficulties, how he responded and trying to focus on the positives, it's a 6. We haven't come close to reproducing it for 18 months though. That's an awful lot of faith to put in something that doesn't have a lot of recent evidence to back it up. We've needed an alternative to Whelan and to Pieters for years. We need a right back but have just given a new deal to a geriatric who isn't performing. The squad is so unbalanced that it isn't currently obvious which system would best suit it. These aren't new problems that have just materialised this season either. We beat both Manchester teams in December 2015, the first half against Man City producing the best football I've ever seen from Stoke City. That's 17 months ago even at the end of this season, but I take your point. Since then the management team have had to cope with injuries to key players in Butland, Johnson (2016), Shawcross, Bojan, Affelay, Shaqiri, Ireland and like it or not, Cameron. Throw in the mystery of Imbula and Bony, and a lot of best laid plans haven't worked out.
At some point we do need an alternative to Glenn, but it's not simple. A bigger problem is that we've never really replaced N'Zonzi, despite trying Van Ginkel, Imbula and Allen. Pieters needs competition and plays all the time. I suspect he plays a lot with niggles, but gets on with the job.
I believe the foundations are there if we get midfield right.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 22, 2017 10:04:27 GMT
5.
We've gone backwards in terms of position, quality of the playing staff, style of play and were arguably a Lee Grant away from a long relegation scrap.
Having said that, we're still here, it wasn't our worst PL season and yesterday showed we can still get results.
Big improvement needed however, steady declines over 18 months are not healthy phenomena.
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