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Post by george2again on May 18, 2017 12:15:29 GMT
With nearly all the big clubs looking for a new keeper Jack is going to be top of the menu. So what do we want top notch fee for him or perhaps managing to get a few players who might normally be out of our reach?
for example Joe Hart, Fabian Delph and Iheanacho and 10 million? (and a refund on Bony). Would we be stronger as a result? Man City subsidizing wages as well.
Sure Man Utd and Arsenal have simalar players who would make us stronger.
Perhaps Jack could be a good bargaining tool for us. hes going to go sooner or later whatever. Strike while all the big clubs need a keeper at the same time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2017 12:19:42 GMT
I was thinking about this and it would make it more palatable!
But it's got to be a good deal for us.
Your Man City deal seems unrealistic. They'll want 10/15m for Hart, the same for Delph and 20m for Iheanacho.
But it should be something we should be looking at.
People will say swap deals don't happen and they tend not to but we have been involved in a couple.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 18, 2017 12:20:24 GMT
to be fair, there have been loads of links with the top clubs and new goalkeepers in the last few weeks, and i don't think Jack has been top of the menu for any of them has he?
Largely due to the fact that he's been out for over a year and only had 3 games back so others (Pickford for example) are the keepers being touted now. It's precisely that reason why a lot of top clubs will wait to see if he is back to full fitness and is back to his best before they take big money gambles IMO. They won't be doing it based on 3 games this season and what he was like over a year ago, far too big a gamble when paying a decent fee.
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Post by george2again on May 18, 2017 12:24:37 GMT
to be fair, there have been loads of links with the top clubs and new goalkeepers in the last few weeks, and i don't think Jack has been top of the menu for any of them has he? Largely due to the fact that he's been out for over a year and only had 3 games back so others (Pickford for example) are the keepers being touted now. It's precisely that reason why a lot of top clubs will wait to see if he is back to full fitness and is back to his best before they take big money gambles IMO. They won't be doing it based on 3 games this season and what he was like over a year ago, far too big a gamble when paying a decent fee. Do you not have the feeling Leslie has selected him ahead of our player of the season to get him some exposure and put him in the spotlight? He could have got a full pre-season and game time next year without any risks. Perhaps this is where our transfer budget is coming from and this is the plan. |
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2017 12:27:26 GMT
to be fair, there have been loads of links with the top clubs and new goalkeepers in the last few weeks, and i don't think Jack has been top of the menu for any of them has he? Largely due to the fact that he's been out for over a year and only had 3 games back so others (Pickford for example) are the keepers being touted now. It's precisely that reason why a lot of top clubs will wait to see if he is back to full fitness and is back to his best before they take big money gambles IMO. They won't be doing it based on 3 games this season and what he was like over a year ago, far too big a gamble when paying a decent fee. Do you not have the feeling Leslie has selected him ahead of our player of the season to get him some exposure and put him in the spotlight? He could have got a full pre-season and game time next year without any risks. Perhaps this is where our transfer budget is coming from and this is the plan. No I think Hughes just wanted to play him before the season ends so he can go into pre-season with some games under his belt. Right decision in my view. |
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Post by george2again on May 18, 2017 12:27:54 GMT
I was thinking about this and it would make it more palatable! But it's got to be a good deal for us. Your Man City deal seems unrealistic. They'll want 10/15m for Hart, the same for Delph and 20m for Iheanacho. But it should be something we should be looking at. People will say swap deals don't happen and they tend not to but we have been involved in a couple. 10/15 mill for Hart? May be Delph and Iheanacho is a squad player not a £20 mill player. Regardless they would sell for what they have too if we have something they want? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2017 12:28:22 GMT
to be fair, there have been loads of links with the top clubs and new goalkeepers in the last few weeks, and i don't think Jack has been top of the menu for any of them has he? Largely due to the fact that he's been out for over a year and only had 3 games back so others (Pickford for example) are the keepers being touted now. It's precisely that reason why a lot of top clubs will wait to see if he is back to full fitness and is back to his best before they take big money gambles IMO. They won't be doing it based on 3 games this season and what he was like over a year ago, far too big a gamble when paying a decent fee. Do you not have the feeling Leslie has selected him ahead of our player of the season to get him some exposure and put him in the spotlight? He could have got a full pre-season and game time next year without any risks. Perhaps this is where our transfer budget is coming from and this is the plan. No. You play to make sure he's over his injury and to put him one step ahead of the game for pre-season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2017 12:29:50 GMT
I was thinking about this and it would make it more palatable! But it's got to be a good deal for us. Your Man City deal seems unrealistic. They'll want 10/15m for Hart, the same for Delph and 20m for Iheanacho. But it should be something we should be looking at. People will say swap deals don't happen and they tend not to but we have been involved in a couple. 10/15 mill for Hart? May be Delph and Iheanacho is a squad player not a £20 mill player. Regardless they would sell for what they have too if we have something they want? English international, entering his prime for a 'keeper etc, so yeah 10/15m. Iheanacho will be wanted by clubs who will pay 20m for him. Delph could go either way. |
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2017 12:30:19 GMT
Can't see Guardiola being interested anyway
Butland isn't a sweeper keeper
more fool Pep
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 12:31:10 GMT
Not just players fees though is it.
Wages is, and will always be, a huge stumbling block.
Lets take Raheem Sterling...Probably will be surplus to requirements at Man City, maybe not next season, but pretty soon, would be a good signing if the price was right...But fuck me...What would his wages be....Probably out of our structure...
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 18, 2017 12:35:47 GMT
to be fair, there have been loads of links with the top clubs and new goalkeepers in the last few weeks, and i don't think Jack has been top of the menu for any of them has he? Largely due to the fact that he's been out for over a year and only had 3 games back so others (Pickford for example) are the keepers being touted now. It's precisely that reason why a lot of top clubs will wait to see if he is back to full fitness and is back to his best before they take big money gambles IMO. They won't be doing it based on 3 games this season and what he was like over a year ago, far too big a gamble when paying a decent fee. Do you not have the feeling Leslie has selected him ahead of our player of the season to get him some exposure and put him in the spotlight? He could have got a full pre-season and game time next year without any risks. Perhaps this is where our transfer budget is coming from and this is the plan. No i think that's mad paranoia and conspiracy shit myself. I think it's far more likely that Grant was bought to be backup for as long as Jack was injured and he accepted that happily. I think Jack was told as soon as he was fit he would be still be our number one and accepted that happily. I think that both Jack and the fans were massively frustrated at how long his layoff ended up being, and Stoke were very aware how pissed off fans were becoming with how the season was going so bringing Jack back into the fold would cheer a lot of folk up whilst also deflecting/burying some of the ill feeling the fans were starting to have, even if only for a short while. It was basically a "good news story" to try to lift spirits after a long and shitty season. If a manager wanted to put someone who was highly rated and they expect to command a high fee for in the shop window who's been out for over a year, they'd need far more than 3 games to prove to other clubs they're definitely 100% back re: fitness and the fact it won't re-occur and to convince people they were just as good as they ever were previously. |
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Post by RichJonesy on May 18, 2017 12:42:22 GMT
Can't see Guardiola being interested anyway Butland isn't a sweeper keeper more fool Pep The False number 1. |
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Post by liathroid on May 18, 2017 13:01:31 GMT
Joe Hart no thanks
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Post by thegift on May 18, 2017 13:10:53 GMT
£50M FOR BUTLAND. no less
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Post by jezzascfc on May 18, 2017 13:15:02 GMT
I think Hughes sees the sales of Imbula, Bojan, Joselu and Wollscheid, and even Muniesa and, if he wants to go, Shaq, as adding to his transfer kitty way before the sale of Jack. That will be a summer 2018 after the World Cup deal. Far better to sell next summer for 25/30m than this summer for 12/15m.
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Post by Gifton on May 18, 2017 14:06:22 GMT
Keepers just don't go for the same money as outfield players, I don't really understand why as they can be match winners. It's just always been the case.
Apparently De Gea is only valued at around £50 million and it's only the most bias amongst us that would put Butland's value on a par with De Gea's. Add to that the fact Jack has just come back from serious injury and despite being consistently impressive when he has played, he just doesn't have that many top flight games under his belt. That said, demand could drive the price up.
I'm not worried about Man City, United, Arsenal or Chelsea really. He's not Pep's sweeper keeper, he's too young and inexperienced for Mourinho. Arsenal have Cech and I just get the impression Conte would prefer someone more seasoned should Courtios leave. Liverpool could be a concern although Mignolet seems to have won Klopp's trust.
My real concern is that Lloris is bought by United as De Gea's replacement or any other club for that matter. Butland's fits Tottenham like a glove! Young, English, won't be huge wages, will have the potential of huge resale value in the future. If Lloris moves, I fear we lose Jack Butland.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 18, 2017 15:24:20 GMT
If Chelsea are interested we could ask for Bego, Ake and Traore (if he still is their player?) for Butland! I think I would take such a deal!  |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 18, 2017 15:30:30 GMT
English - check
International - check
Potential to be world class - check
long-term contract - check
High demand for goalkeepers amongst top 6 in Premier League- check
Scholes & Cartwright involved - check
Sales price = 12M and 20 pizzas.
They will fuck this up big time and we all know it. Dont go expecting a big fee lads
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2017 15:35:36 GMT
Keepers just don't go for the same money as outfield players, I don't really understand why as they can be match winners. It's just always been the case. Apparently De Gea is only valued at around £50 million and it's only the most bias amongst us that would put Butland's value on a par with De Gea's. Add to that the fact Jack has just come back from serious injury and despite being consistently impressive when he has played, he just doesn't have that many top flight games under his belt. That said, demand could drive the price up. I'm not worried about Man City, United, Arsenal or Chelsea really. He's not Pep's sweeper keeper, he's too young and inexperienced for Mourinho. Arsenal have Cech and I just get the impression Conte would prefer someone more seasoned should Courtios leave. Liverpool could be a concern although Mignolet seems to have won Klopp's trust. My real concern is that Lloris is bought by United as De Gea's replacement or any other club for that matter. Butland's fits Tottenham like a glove! Young, English, won't be huge wages, will have the potential of huge resale value in the future. If Lloris moves, I fear we lose Jack Butland. Buffon must be the greatest value for money keeper |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 18, 2017 15:41:03 GMT
Butland would need a least a full season proving he is back to his best before any of the top clubs come knocking.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 18, 2017 15:49:53 GMT
Butland would need a least a full season proving he is back to his best before any of the top clubs come knocking. Sure?  |
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Post by george2again on May 18, 2017 16:17:14 GMT
If Chelsea are interested we could ask for Bego, Ake and Traore (if he still is their player?) for Butland! I think I would take such a deal! Loftus_Cheek as well. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 18, 2017 16:17:31 GMT
Butland would need a least a full season proving he is back to his best before any of the top clubs come knocking. Sure? If you were the manager of a top 6 side (who have FAR more pressure put on them by their owners to succeed than clubs like ours do), would you risk your job gambling 15mill or so on your starting goalkeeper when he's been injured for over 12 months and played just 3 games since? Weird how many on here (not necessarily you mate) talk about media links towards the end of the season with players being "Lazy journalism....journos putting 2+2 together to come up with a story....no actual quotes or real official interest" etc. etc. but then see other stuff in the same papers and presume it HAS to be true. It's nearly transfer window time, every journo is slinging every titbit, bit of presumption and made up guff around hoping some of it sticks so 1) they can actually have a story and 2) they can see they reported it first. Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal have all been linked with various English and foreign keepers over the last few weeks (a different one every week it seems...last week Liverpool would compete with Everton for Pickford, yesterday they were defo keeping Mignolet, today 1 paper mentions Jack.....last week Man Utd. were defo losing De Gea and Romero was told he'd step up, a few days ago they were defo buying Oblak, now today 1 paper mentions Jack...yesterday Arsenal ruled out a new keeper, now they might be in for Pickford etc. etc. etc.) so any speculation reported now is just that, speculation and nothing more. I'm guessing that the managers of clubs like those above, didn't get where they were by taking huge gambles on players who have only just come back from a season long injury |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 16:42:29 GMT
Jack, Joe. Simples. If he is going!
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Post by march4 on May 18, 2017 16:46:59 GMT
Peter Coates' wealth is likely to go past Roman Abramovich in about 18 months time.
Are we really looking to get rid of our best players to recruit another club's cast offs.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 18, 2017 16:52:03 GMT
Peter Coates' wealth is likely to go past Roman Abramovich in about 18 months time. Are we really looking to get rid of our best players to recruit another club's cast offs. Spot on there march , they talking about 30 million for Pickford so we should get top dollar for jack and invest it into a young hungry player or players instead of a 30+ multi millionaire after one last big signing on fee |
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Post by stokie1954 on May 18, 2017 16:56:39 GMT
Jack will be back to his best at some point. Would hate to see him go and end up like Begovic. He should never be undervalued like Nzonzi and Bego, but would you really have faith in Scholes?.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 18, 2017 16:58:35 GMT
£50M FOR BUTLAND. no less You do talk some shite. Neymar being a striker and 50 million for Butland. Stick to reading comics lad. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 18, 2017 17:01:18 GMT
Sure? If you were the manager of a top 6 side (who have FAR more pressure put on them by their owners to succeed than clubs like ours do), would you risk your job gambling 15mill or so on your starting goalkeeper when he's been injured for over 12 months and played just 3 games since? Weird how many on here (not necessarily you mate) talk about media links towards the end of the season with players being "Lazy journalism....journos putting 2+2 together to come up with a story....no actual quotes or real official interest" etc. etc. but then see other stuff in the same papers and presume it HAS to be true. It's nearly transfer window time, every journo is slinging every titbit, bit of presumption and made up guff around hoping some of it sticks so 1) they can actually have a story and 2) they can see they reported it first. Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal have all been linked with various English and foreign keepers over the last few weeks (a different one every week it seems...last week Liverpool would compete with Everton for Pickford, yesterday they were defo keeping Mignolet, today 1 paper mentions Jack.....last week Man Utd. were defo losing De Gea and Romero was told he'd step up, a few days ago they were defo buying Oblak, now today 1 paper mentions Jack...yesterday Arsenal ruled out a new keeper, now they might be in for Pickford etc. etc. etc.) so any speculation reported now is just that, speculation and nothing more. I'm guessing that the managers of clubs like those above, didn't get where they were by taking huge gambles on players who have only just come back from a season long injury Let's wait and see, but I'm sure £15M will be far below what we would consider to sell for! I guess around £30M will be closer to what we would accept to let him go for! Yes, I know it's an absurd amount of money, but my guess is that this will be the going rate! |
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Post by thegift on May 18, 2017 17:10:39 GMT
£50M FOR BUTLAND. no less You do talk some shite. Neymar being a striker and 50 million for Butland. Stick to reading comics lad. Neymar is a striker, i assure you With prices now a days Butland is worth 50M |
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