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Post by sufolkstokie on May 16, 2017 9:02:48 GMT
I will go for:-
Bojan. Sadly
Muni as I think he will try and force it anyways
Joselu
Imbula obviously
Wolly if we can find a buyer
Butland hopefully after one more season
Diouf
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Post by werrington on May 16, 2017 9:03:55 GMT
I will go for:- Bojan. Sadly Muni as I think he will try and force it anyways Joselu Imbula obviously Wolly if we can find a buyer Butland hopefully after one more season Diouf Butland is the worry ...alongside Arnoutovic |
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Post by juiceandbits on May 16, 2017 9:06:58 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on.
Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 16, 2017 9:08:11 GMT
I will go for:- Bojan. Sadly Muni as I think he will try and force it anyways Joselu Imbula obviously Wolly if we can find a buyer Butland hopefully after one more season Diouf Butland is the worry ...alongside Arnoutovic I agree. Those two won't be on his list (well you would hope not) but he may have no say in it if they force his hand |
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 16, 2017 9:09:23 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. So how does anyone explain a contract extension for Adam and Crouch and new contracts for Aff and Johnson? That does not add up at all |
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Post by werrington on May 16, 2017 9:12:15 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. It al depends though doesn't it If it's all true about this and he wants a sizeable budget to transform the squad then they are the most saleable assets alongside Shaqiri who will get a big fee |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 16, 2017 9:12:17 GMT
I really can't see us selling Butland or Arnie this summer.
Shaq though....
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Post by heworksardtho on May 16, 2017 9:14:56 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. So how does anyone explain a contract extension for Adam and Crouch and new contracts for Aff and Johnson? That does not add up at all It's very worrying In the way that they are only signing them on again because we only have to outlay on wages and not big transfer fees , how many players do we have on longterm contracts who are no where near getting a game , if we don't manage to get rid of least 6 players from the 25 squad then we will struggle next season |
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Post by thebet365 on May 16, 2017 9:15:30 GMT
I can see us letting Shaq go
Arnie it would have to be a tasty offer which I don't think will arrive.
Imbula obviously but how much we get back no idea
Joselu hopefully a few Mill back for him
Diouf nominal fee
Bojan I think we're stuck with ---- Thankfully.
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Post by stokebloke on May 16, 2017 9:17:46 GMT
What is butland worth 17-20m ?
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Post by tqstokie on May 16, 2017 9:20:57 GMT
It is easier said than done to move out players with time left on their contract. Would you agree to go for less money because that is what it amounts to? Would you get any money at all for some of those out of contract. The idea of moving players out to raise funds is a good idea theoretically but practically it is almost impossible.
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Post by wuzza on May 16, 2017 9:28:15 GMT
Presumably seeking to lower the wage bill as much as anything else. I would imagine that is the most significant aspect of any club's balance sheet these days not the one-off fees.
....which brings us back to the extension of Johnson's contract????
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Post by FullerMagic on May 16, 2017 9:28:24 GMT
An optimistic £10m for Imbula if Roma go ahead. Otherwise it's a loan somewhere. So fingers crossed the Roma stuff is real.
Joselu? His market in Spain is probably £2.5-3m, and can't see anyone taking his wages on. 2 years left on good Prem money.
Wolly? He's only got one year left so should be able to move him on to a small German team. Fee would be minuscule though.
Muni? Even a biggish Spanish team weren't prepared to go to £3m for him and he's got 2 yrs left on decent Prem money.
Diouf? One year left on mega money. Interesting to see if he's offered a new deal. If not, we may try and get a £3m for him from the Bundesliga. Someone should pay that with his record there.
Bojan? Very hard to say. £6-7m maybe? But then you've got the seemingly insurmountable issue of him having 3 more years on superstar money which will rule 95% of clubs (and 100% of clubs who'd want him) out. So a loan - but where would that get us?
Walters? We could probably get £3m for him even at his age in this inflated domestic market.
Shaq? Would think we could get our money back easily enough. Someone will take him.
Adam? £2m to a Champo team?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 16, 2017 9:33:44 GMT
What is butland worth 17-20m ? If it was, say, Southampton selling him, about £35 million. Unfortunately it's Stoke we're talking about, so about £10 million if we're lucky. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 16, 2017 9:34:52 GMT
I really can't see us selling Butland or Arnie this summer. Shaq though.... I wouldn't be surprised or overly bothered by this. Great talent but hugely frustrating. Still think it takes the piss that we are even contemplating these things when we are awash with money, though. If Hughes had done his job right, wholesale changes wouldn't have been needed. |
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Post by liamo on May 16, 2017 9:37:26 GMT
I think Hughes wanted to bring the age down... until he was told we wouldn't be spending much so he's tied down some players as security?
Also makes sense that he's said we'll be playing some more youth next season although he could be lying
Until our academy is even just 50% the quality of Southampton's we're going to need cash pumped in regularly.... unless we bring in a shrewd manager/transfer team to avoid little £20m mishaps like Imbula
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 16, 2017 9:44:05 GMT
An optimistic £10m for Imbula if Roma go ahead. Otherwise it's a loan somewhere. So fingers crossed the Roma stuff is real. Joselu? His market in Spain is probably £2.5-3m, and can't see anyone taking his wages on. 2 years left on good Prem money. Wolly? He's only got one year left so should be able to move him on to a small German team. Fee would be minuscule though. Muni? Even a biggish Spanish team weren't prepared to go to £3m for him and he's got 2 yrs left on decent Prem money. Diouf? One year left on mega money. Interesting to see if he's offered a new deal. If not, we may try and get a £3m for him from the Bundesliga. Someone should pay that with his record there. Bojan? Very hard to say. £6-7m maybe? But then you've got the seemingly insurmountable issue of him having 3 more years on superstar money which will rule 95% of clubs (and 100% of clubs who'd want him) out. So a loan - but where would that get us? Walters? We could probably get £3m for him even at his age in this inflated domestic market. Shaq? Would think we could get our money back easily enough. Someone will take him. Adam? £2m to a Champo team? Although Shaq has flattered to deceive this season, my main concern would be what any possible departure would do to Arnie's mindset. They seem close and Shaq certainly spots the runs Arnie makes. I'd like Bojan back though, and his contract situation makes that extremely likely unless we loan him for the rest of his Stoke career! I want two new midfielders to come in, at least one full back and another striker. I'm very worried about Ryan's form and think he's becoming a weakness (controversial I know) but can't see any signs that Hughes feels the same. We need pace, power and dynamism in midfield to give us a better platform to attack. Our full backs are leaving gaping holes in every game these days so shore those up and the centre backs may get back to their best. I'm not expecting radical change as it's not practical but pragmatic and considered activity should be able to get us back on track. We should attempt to use the loan market again as we did with Indi (but not with Bony) and assess where we are in January. |
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Post by Gods on May 16, 2017 9:58:19 GMT
The whole thing is fraught with difficulties here are a few which spring to mind.
How can we take the average age down when we have just recontracted all the 30 something's?
Can Sparky really go back the board for the big ££'s needed to sure up the midfield, won't they just ask what happened to the £30m on Imbula and Joe?
Then there is the age old problem that the players er want to keep are the the only ones anyone wants to buy.
I've said it a 100 times on here, buying players is easy, anyone can spend money, shifting players we don't want is the hard part. That's should be a big part of any success measure of our 'transfer team'
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 16, 2017 10:12:25 GMT
The whole thing is fraught with difficulties here are a few which spring to mind. How can we take the average age down when we have just recontracted all the 30 something's? Can Sparky really go back the board for the big ££'s needed to sure up the midfield, won't they just ask what happened to the £30m on Imbula and Joe? Then there is the age old problem that the players er want to keep are the the only ones anyone wants to buy. I've said it a 100 times on here, buying players is easy, anyone can spend money, shifting players we don't want is the hard part. That's should be a big part of any success measure of our 'transfer team' Total agree. I was musing on who would be on his list given the statement this morning. Having them on the list and actually shifting them on are completely different things |
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Post by pavel on May 16, 2017 10:15:37 GMT
It all seems so muddled with our actions contradicting what we are saying, it seems as muddled as what is happening on the pitch. Surely we are not going into retrenchment mode just when the big TV money is coming through. I'm sure other teams will use it to strengthen their squads, the teams coming up will be able to spend big comparatively and if we go for the budget option with this ageing squad and lose a few of our key players we could be in big trouble. I'm not sure what our ambition is any more, we seem to be complacent and sleep walking towards the trap door. God I sound like Benji now, that is worrying!!!
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Post by MuddyWoody on May 16, 2017 10:24:46 GMT
The whole thing is fraught with difficulties here are a few which spring to mind. How can we take the average age down when we have just recontracted all the 30 something's?Can Sparky really go back the board for the big ££'s needed to sure up the midfield, won't they just ask what happened to the £30m on Imbula and Joe? Then there is the age old problem that the players er want to keep are the the only ones anyone wants to buy. I've said it a 100 times on here, buying players is easy, anyone can spend money, shifting players we don't want is the hard part. That's should be a big part of any success measure of our 'transfer team' Exactly. Most of the players I can see leaving for any kind of money are the younger players in the squad. |
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Post by skelman on May 16, 2017 10:27:31 GMT
I will go for:- Bojan. Sadly Muni as I think he will try and force it anyways Joselu Imbula obviously Wolly if we can find a buyer Butland hopefully after one more season Diouf Butland is the worry ...alongside Arnoutovic £2,500,000 from Sunderland for Danny Higginbotham August 2007 £3,000,000 from Hull City for Seyi Olofinjana August 2009 £4,500,000 from Wolfsburg for Tuncay January 2011 £7,000,000 from Sevilla for Steven Nzonzi July 2015 The management have never really got the hang of this buying and selling conundrum have they !!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 10:33:08 GMT
Imbula ---Got to go no matter what the price
Butland-- Best asset £15 million
Arni ---- Everton bound £12 million
Shaq----- Milan or somewhere else Italian £8 million
Adam---- Rangers £4 million
Grant--- A few after him got to be £4 million
Bojan--- Sadly not returning £4 million (or a swap deal)
Sobhi -- £8 million to Liverpool
Wollscheid- Free to a good home.
1 unused corner donated to the NHS outpatients.
Incoming John Terry (If he thinks we are a bit better than retirement)
Wayne Rooney with a no limit bet clause in his contract.
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Post by pavel on May 16, 2017 10:54:31 GMT
I will go for:- Bojan. Sadly Muni as I think he will try and force it anyways Joselu Imbula obviously Wolly if we can find a buyer Butland hopefully after one more season Diouf Butland is the worry ...alongside Arnoutovic Trouble is I can't see that generating sufficient funds unless Arnie and Butland go as well, which would signal the end of our ambition in my eyes and bring in an era, which we've seen before, of trying to stay up on the cheap and we've seen what happens to teams who try that in this league. It smacks of keeping faith with the manager but not having the faith to back him in the market. Worrying times. |
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Post by Northy on May 16, 2017 13:00:20 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. So how does anyone explain a contract extension for Adam and Crouch and new contracts for Aff and Johnson? That does not add up at all we can hopefully get a bit of cash for them if they are under contract |
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Post by shrewspotter on May 16, 2017 13:03:23 GMT
I genuinely don't think the players he has in mind to sell will raise all that much, maybe some contract payments would be decreased but that's about all
I think he would sell,
Joselu, Wollschied, Bardsley, Adam, Ireland, Affelay, Imbula, Diouf
Realistically though we would do well to retrieve £15m for those combined
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Post by jezzascfc on May 16, 2017 13:16:08 GMT
An optimistic £10m for Imbula if Roma go ahead. Otherwise it's a loan somewhere. So fingers crossed the Roma stuff is real. Joselu? His market in Spain is probably £2.5-3m, and can't see anyone taking his wages on. 2 years left on good Prem money. Wolly? He's only got one year left so should be able to move him on to a small German team. Fee would be minuscule though. Muni? Even a biggish Spanish team weren't prepared to go to £3m for him and he's got 2 yrs left on decent Prem money. Diouf? One year left on mega money. Interesting to see if he's offered a new deal. If not, we may try and get a £3m for him from the Bundesliga. Someone should pay that with his record there. Bojan? Very hard to say. £6-7m maybe? But then you've got the seemingly insurmountable issue of him having 3 more years on superstar money which will rule 95% of clubs (and 100% of clubs who'd want him) out. So a loan - but where would that get us? Walters? We could probably get £3m for him even at his age in this inflated domestic market. Shaq? Would think we could get our money back easily enough. Someone will take him. Adam? £2m to a Champo team? That's a pretty fair assessment - I'd add Whelan at about the same price and destination as Adam. Bardsley is off, albeit on a free, but his wages will be available for a new recruit. Given retired, and hopefully Haugaard for 300/400k, likewise gone. This "bring the average age down" thing is odd, given the contract extension liberally distributed to the Dad's Army brigade these past few months. Imbula - 10m Shaq - 12m Adam - 2m Whelan - 2m Walters - 3m Haugaard - 300k Diouf -2m Muni - 2m Bojan - 5m Joselu - 2m Wollscheid - 1m total 41.3m That is probably very ambitious and highly unlikely (and I would rather keep Shaq and Bojan), but surely we can bring in at least 20m to swell the coffers? I can see, if some of those towards the bottom of that list are to leave permanently, we may have to do a deal to pay up their contracts or to cover some of their wages for the balance of their contracts, to ease through deals to clubs who cannot afford to pay their full Stoke wage. |
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Post by leoncort on May 16, 2017 13:18:42 GMT
i sat in the stands on Saturday and thought, i wouldnt mind if 6 of the starters were sold in all honesty.
Johnson - why did he get a new deal? not performed well and hardly lowering the squad age?
Whelan - hero. but come on he slows every attack down and we're crying out for a leggy midfielder (delph in my opinion)
Shawcross - Bringing BMI in has really brought to light how average he has been this season. Plus what an uninspring captain.
Diouf - Don't think hes a bad player but if we arent going to start him so he gets a run of games then let the lad go.
Shaq - magic on his 2 games a season, very injury prone, until it comes to the international break..
Cameron - Need to upgrade him massively, great athlete but really need someone better technically (Aaron Mooy?)
Pieters - No explanation needed
Muni - Awful at LB, hes a better CB, but hughes wont play him there or CM where he is also better.
Also ship out, Bards, Wolly, Crouch.
Joselu a replacement for crouch? great in the air and a more mobile option?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 16, 2017 13:21:15 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. Out of our creative players, in all of berahinos appearances so far, arnie has laid on a couple of chances for him, allen put a super ball in at swansea...and that is it. Our creative players have been fucking rubbish and their performances should be evaluated on the basis of how man goals our striker scores. I always defended shaqiri but if we could just sell him and get our money back for me that would give us a great chance to play sobhi and use the money on an attacking player who is suited to this league |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:22:45 GMT
Imbula - 10m (8M loss) Shaq - 12m (Break even) Adam - 2m (3M loss) Whelan - 2m (1.5M gain) Walters - 3m (750k loss) Haugaard - 300k (300k loss) Diouf -2m (2M gain) Muni - 2m (2M gain) Bojan - 5m (2M gain with the 50% clause?) Joselu - 2m (5M loss) Wollscheid - 1m (1.75M loss) So if they went for those amounts, averaged over 11 players, we've made roughly a loss of 11M? 1M per player? Thank the lord for this scientific method of buying players. It could have been so much worse... |
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