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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 16, 2017 13:23:51 GMT
i sat in the stands on Saturday and thought, i wouldnt mind if 6 of the starters were sold in all honesty. Johnson - why did he get a new deal? not performed well and hardly lowering the squad age? Whelan - hero. but come on he slows every attack down and we're crying out for a leggy midfielder (delph in my opinion) Shawcross - Bringing BMI in has really brought to light how average he has been this season. Plus what an uninspring captain. Diouf - Don't think hes a bad player but if we arent going to start him so he gets a run of games then let the lad go. Shaq - magic on his 2 games a season, very injury prone, until it comes to the international break.. Cameron - Need to upgrade him massively, great athlete but really need someone better technically (Aaron Mooy?) Pieters - No explanation needed Muni - Awful at LB, hes a better CB, but hughes wont play him there or CM where he is also better. Also ship out, Bards, Wolly, Crouch. Joselu a replacement for crouch? great in the air and a more mobile option? Crouch is a far better player than joselu, why on earth would we want to lose crouch and keep joselu?
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Post by leoncort on May 16, 2017 13:42:17 GMT
Peter crouch is 9 years older than him.
Crouch - 38 in 170 (1 goal every 4.4 games) Joselu - 4 in 22 (1 goal every 5.5)
Really not that much different, scored 1 in 4 in a very injury hit season. why not give him a chance?
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Post by heworksardtho on May 16, 2017 13:45:11 GMT
That young lad whose captain of Ajax Dirk Kuyt would be a great signing he's only 36 as well 😀
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Post by juiceandbits on May 16, 2017 15:25:21 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. Out of our creative players, in all of berahinos appearances so far, arnie has laid on a couple of chances for him, allen put a super ball in at swansea...and that is it. Our creative players have been fucking rubbish and their performances should be evaluated on the basis of how man goals our striker scores. I always defended shaqiri but if we could just sell him and get our money back for me that would give us a great chance to play sobhi and use the money on an attacking player who is suited to this league Don't want to derail this into a pro-Shaq thread but I bet if you compared our attacking players in terms of chances created he'd be the top player or second to Arnie, so I don't really see how he's not suited to the league.
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Post by gingerninja on May 16, 2017 15:46:38 GMT
Not sure how wriggle room we have. Even if he fills 21-25 in the squad with youngsters how many front line squad players could we bring in?
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Post by reddipotter on May 16, 2017 15:58:29 GMT
These days, the only players who leave a club are the ones who want to. (Or whose contracts have run down, which is often the same thing.) So, who wants to leave? Shaq, if a biggish club comes along. Shawcross? Who else?
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Post by adi on May 16, 2017 15:59:48 GMT
He's not going to sell all of those though is he? He's apparently going to reduce the average age of the squad and Percy seemed to suggest that those are the players we'd be looking to move on. Surely he realised that, if he wants Saido to score 15-20 goals next season, then none of our creative players can leave. He definitely seems to regret loaning out Bojan, though frankly I don't believe anything he says atm. So how does anyone explain a contract extension for Adam and Crouch and new contracts for Aff and Johnson? That does not add up at all Because he doesn't even know his own lies anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:15:13 GMT
Realistically the only players that would generate a decent price are, Butland, Arnie & Shaq. So what sense would it make to sell these, to buy the equivalent sort of player and how we do business, it would cost us more to replace them than we would get for them.
Imbula might get around 10 mill, possibly Allen who id look to sell on too, but doubt he'd fetch what we paid. Who would take any of our strikers, none are prolific, we have a 12mill forward who's not scored in god knows how many games for us and WBA, Crouch is 36, Diouf scored 1 this season, Walters might get 2mill for & Jos is injured so very few teams would sign an injured player.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 16, 2017 16:18:47 GMT
What is butland worth 17-20m ? If it was, say, Southampton selling him, about £35 million. Unfortunately it's Stoke we're talking about, so about £10 million if we're lucky. To be fair, goalkeepers don't go for anything like outfield players....never have done so 25-30 mill is complete pie in the sky stuff. Pickford is the most highly rated young keeper around at the mo (largely because Jack's been out all year) and Everton are reportedly making a 10mill bid. Keepers fees are an entirely different kettle of fish to any other position. Cech, Lloris, Forster all bought for under 10 mill, De Gea only 14 mill. Only 2 goalkeepers in history anywhere in the world have EVER gone for over 20 mill (Neuer and Buffon). We're not going to get close to that kind of figure when he's only played 3 games in over a year
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Post by jebbstuart on May 16, 2017 17:05:04 GMT
to be honest its rather who we want to keep probable about 3 or 4 the rest for a fair price can go . think its who we bring in whats important we should have a short list already of targets and must know values wages etc .
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 17:10:53 GMT
Peter crouch is 9 years older than him. Crouch - 38 in 170 (1 goal every 4.4 games) Joselu - 4 in 22 (1 goal every 5.5) Really not that much different, scored 1 in 4 in a very injury hit season. why not give him a chance? Seemed to me that Joselu took his chance (or did okay) every time he started, and got dropped again for no reason after 2 games.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 16, 2017 17:49:08 GMT
We should sell these players, but not at any price! This is the minimum in today's market: Adam £3M Walters £3M Crouch £3M Whelan £3M Joselu £5M Muni £3M Afellay £3M Wolly £1.5MTotal £24.5M = two fullbacks, one midfielder and a striker! We certainly need to bring in some bargains unless uncle Peter is willing to open his wallet!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 17:54:32 GMT
Realistically the only players that would generate a decent price are, Butland, Arnie & Shaq. So what sense would it make to sell these, to buy the equivalent sort of player and how we do business, it would cost us more to replace them than we would get for them. Imbula might get around 10 mill, possibly Allen who id look to sell on too, but doubt he'd fetch what we paid. Who would take any of our strikers, none are prolific, we have a 12mill forward who's not scored in god knows how many games for us and WBA, Crouch is 36, Diouf scored 1 this season, Walters might get 2mill for & Jos is injured so very few teams would sign an injured player. Hughes defo won't sell Joe
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Post by xchpotter on May 16, 2017 18:01:00 GMT
Some of the suggested prices n here for Butland.....you are having a laugh. Last week there was talk of Pickford at 30million plus, a ridiculous amount. But if that's what is considered the rate then Butland would be 40million...he is an England international. Knowing Stoke though we will undersell as ever and that's what worries me. I fear we are hurtling along a downward spiral.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 17, 2017 9:00:00 GMT
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Post by mf37 on May 17, 2017 17:36:09 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if the Shawcross transfer rumours are true.
History of injuries, doesn't seem to work in a back 3, will be 30 next October.
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