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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2017 7:32:45 GMT
Our good players look bereft of any kind of belief in what they are being asked to do and we have a lot of shite...which is no surprise seeing as he's relying on a lot of the shite that pulis was relying on.
He got the sack as well just like Hughes will soon do.
He's dead man walking for certain.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 7:33:28 GMT
They aren't playing for their manager are they? That's pretty clear to see. They aren't mate. And I've been told by someone close-ish to the club that he doesn't have many of the players on-side. On the subject of 'are our players good enough'....it doesn't seem that long ago that we were discussing on here, "how many of Leicester's players would get in our team??"... The standard of the senior squad has slipped dramatically, a combination of time and poor transfer activity - and me and a mate of mine listed about 14 of our 25-man squad that if they left tomorrow, we wouldn't lose any sleep - on the basis that you'd have to replace them, and those replacements could only be an improvement.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2017 7:35:03 GMT
I lost count yesterday of how many simple passes we put out of play, Whelan and Johnson were pathetic. Johnson's positional play was abysmal, admittedly Shaqiri was AWOL most of the time, but to continually get the ball stuck between your feet and continually get caught in possession you should hang your boots up Johnson. Pieters had cover but as usual looked the baffoon he is and robbing a living. The gap between the defence and the slow midfield was enormous and every loose ball fell to Arsenal but Hughes hadn't got the foggiest idea what to do other than to throw Crouch and Berhanino on. I can't see how Hughes can survive this, it's abysmal. The only one I disagree on is pieters. He was excellent first half and he put over the cross of the game, from a stoke perspective, 2nd half. Sadly, he fell apart 2nd half and it didn't take much to wobble his already shaky confidence.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 14, 2017 7:37:30 GMT
I lost count yesterday of how many simple passes we put out of play, Whelan and Johnson were pathetic. Johnson's positional play was abysmal, admittedly Shaqiri was AWOL most of the time, but to continually get the ball stuck between your feet and continually get caught in possession you should hang your boots up Johnson. Pieters had cover but as usual looked the baffoon he is and robbing a living. The gap between the defence and the slow midfield was enormous and every loose ball fell to Arsenal but Hughes hadn't got the foggiest idea what to do other than to throw Crouch and Berhanino on. I can't see how Hughes can survive this, it's abysmal. The only one I disagree on is pieters. He was excellent first half and he put over the cross of the game, from a stoke perspective, 2nd half. Sadly, he fell apart 2nd half and it didn't take much to wobble his already shaky confidence. Excellent 1st half😂Apart from his positioning for the 1st goal🤔
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Post by JC9 on May 14, 2017 7:38:56 GMT
Our players aren't shite. We've got some quality players in this team but Hughes doesn't know how to use them.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 7:40:02 GMT
I lost count yesterday of how many simple passes we put out of play, Whelan and Johnson were pathetic. Johnson's positional play was abysmal, admittedly Shaqiri was AWOL most of the time, but to continually get the ball stuck between your feet and continually get caught in possession you should hang your boots up Johnson. Pieters had cover but as usual looked the baffoon he is and robbing a living. The gap between the defence and the slow midfield was enormous and every loose ball fell to Arsenal but Hughes hadn't got the foggiest idea what to do other than to throw Crouch and Berhanino on. I can't see how Hughes can survive this, it's abysmal. The only one I disagree on is pieters. He was excellent first half and he put over the cross of the game, from a stoke perspective, 2nd half. Sadly, he fell apart 2nd half and it didn't take much to wobble his already shaky confidence. Dave both full backs were all over the place. Johnson was much, much worse but Erik was poor.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2017 7:40:30 GMT
The only one I disagree on is pieters. He was excellent first half and he put over the cross of the game, from a stoke perspective, 2nd half. Sadly, he fell apart 2nd half and it didn't take much to wobble his already shaky confidence. Excellent 1st half😂Apart from his positioning for the 1st goal🤔 Which came directly as a result of a fuck up from Allen and Whelan. We had good possession of the ball, he went forward as he's tasked to do and they lost the ball in the worst position possible leaving pieters hopelessly exposed. Not his fault for me that one.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2017 7:42:34 GMT
The only one I disagree on is pieters. He was excellent first half and he put over the cross of the game, from a stoke perspective, 2nd half. Sadly, he fell apart 2nd half and it didn't take much to wobble his already shaky confidence. Dave both full backs were all over the place. Johnson was much, much worse but Erik was poor. 2nd half I agree. I forget the incident, but pieters made a very basic error and he quickly fell apart. First half he was excellent along with Ryan and butland.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 14, 2017 7:44:41 GMT
Excellent 1st half😂Apart from his positioning for the 1st goal🤔 Which came directly as a result of a fuck up from Allen and Whelan. We had good possession of the ball, he went forward as he's tasked to do and they lost the ball in the worst position possible leaving pieters hopelessly exposed. Not his fault for me that one. Not like you to defend him Dave😄
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 7:45:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 7:46:50 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2017 7:50:05 GMT
Which came directly as a result of a fuck up from Allen and Whelan. We had good possession of the ball, he went forward as he's tasked to do and they lost the ball in the worst position possible leaving pieters hopelessly exposed. Not his fault for me that one. Not like you to defend him Dave😄 If he, or anyone else for that matter, deserve defending, I'll defend them. If they don't, I won't. I don't discriminate in that sense regardless of whether I like the player or not.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 14, 2017 7:51:33 GMT
Not like you to defend him Dave😄 If he, or anyone else for that matter, deserve defending, I'll defend them. If they don't, I won't. I don't discriminate in that sense regardless of whether I like the player or not. Fair enough Dave👍I just don't think he or Muniesa are good enough
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Post by thevoid on May 14, 2017 7:52:01 GMT
Johnson really deserves his contract extension
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Post by stokiejoe on May 14, 2017 7:52:27 GMT
My ideal replacement , as I have said before, is Roberto Mancini. He would mould what we have with a few additions into a good team. Not going to happen though as I doubt Coates would want him or that he would come to Stoke anyway.
Best alternative ? Rogers or Benitez
That seems to me to be our biggest problem, sacking the manager is easy, finding a better replacement isn't
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 14, 2017 7:56:19 GMT
A few of our players are technically inept failing to do basic things right like control the ball and make a simple pass. This over time has totally pissed off those that can control a ball and pass. We've all played in teams where you know players are not going to get a pass to you to the point you stop making runs, etc.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 8:01:10 GMT
Not like you to defend him Dave😄 If he, or anyone else for that matter, deserve defending, I'll defend them. If they don't, I won't. I don't discriminate in that sense regardless of whether I like the player or not. It looked to me like it was either a heavy pass from Whelan to Allen, or a pass meant for someone else that Allen tried to control. Either way, it put us in trouble.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 14, 2017 8:04:02 GMT
We have some decent players, but we need to upgrade as well! Even if players are talented and good self confidence is a key word! After being battered so many times and having so many bad results this season I think the self confidence is very low among a lot of our players. Anyway I must question Huges' tactical decisions! It could be OK to sit back, but if you do you still need to close your opponent down! If not they will surely get the chance to have their break through! If you can put crosses into the box over and over again without being put under pressure we all know the likely outcome! I'm still baffled about the decision to let Shaq handle Monreal and let Johnson drift into the middle! At least after Monreal had hit the post Hughes should have done something on our right hand side, but as always he didn't do anything! This is the problem with Hughes for me as he seems unable to change things quickly enough even when the problem is staring him in the eyes! For me he has to go, we need someone else who is able to see what is happening on the pitch and make tactical changes in time! Butland and Grant (both more than good enough!) Shawcross and Indi (a good pairing, but need players around them to do their part too! Sell Wolly!) Johnson, Bards, Pieters, Muni (Bards and Pieters as back up, but we really need two new fullbacks! Let Johnson and Muni go!) Cameron, Allen, Whelan, Adam, Imbula, Bojan, Afellay and Ireland (Would keep Cameron, Allen, Bojan and Imbula. Now is the time to replace the rest!) Arnie, Ramadan, Shaq (all very good and creative players, but don't play Shaq out wide against the better teams!) Diouf, Crouch, Walters, Berahino, Joselu (I would keep Diouf and give Berahino a chance to have a good preseason, but still it seems that Crouch is our danger man up front! Anyway I think it's time to cash in on SJW and Crouchy now! Unsure about Joselu!) Transfers: two new fullbacks is a must! Robinson at Hull as our new left back, a bit unsure which right back, but someone! Would even consider to play Diouf there! sign up Indi on a permanent deal! At least one holding midfielder! I think Maguire at Hull could do a really good job in this position! At least one striker
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 8:14:06 GMT
We have some decent players, but we need to upgrade as well! Even if players are talented and good self confidence is a key word! After being battered so many times and having so many bad results this season I think the self confidence is very low among a lot of our players. Anyway I must question Huges' tactical decisions! It could be OK to sit back, but if you do you still need to close your opponent down! If not they will surely get the chance to have their break through! If you can put crosses into the box over and over again without being put under pressure we all know the likely outcome! I'm still baffled about the decision to let Shaq handle Monreal and let Johnson drift into the middle! At least after Monreal had hit the post Hughes should have done something on our right hand side, but as always he didn't do anything! This is the problem with Hughes for me as he seems unable to change things quickly enough even when the problem is staring him in the eyes! For me he has to go, we need someone else who is able to see what is happening on the pitch and make tactical changes in time! Butland and Grant (both more than good enough!) Shawcross and Indi (a good pairing, but need players around them to do their part too! Sell Wolly!) Johnson, Bards, Pieters, Muni (Bards and Pieters as back up, but we really need two new fullbacks! Let Johnson and Muni go!) Cameron, Allen, Whelan, Adam, Imbula, Bojan, Afellay and Ireland (Would keep Cameron, Allen, Bojan and Imbula. Now is the time to replace the rest!) Arnie, Ramadan, Shaq (all very good and creative players, but don't play Shaq out wide against the better teams!) Diouf, Crouch, Walters, Berahino, Joselu (I would keep Diouf and give Berahino a chance to have a good preseason, but still it seems that Crouch is our danger man up front! Anyway I think it's time to cash in on SJW and Crouchy now! Unsure about Joselu!) Transfers: two new fullbacks is a must! Robinson at Hull as our new left back, a bit unsure which right back, but someone! Would even consider to play Diouf there! sign up Indi on a permanent deal! At least one holding midfielder! I think Maguire at Hull could do a really good job in this position! At least one striker A lot to like about that post. Sadly, it looks like Liverpool are after Robertson.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 14, 2017 8:14:16 GMT
We have some decent players, but we need to upgrade as well! Even if players are talented and good self confidence is a key word! After being battered so many times and having so many bad results this season I think the self confidence is very low among a lot of our players. Anyway I must question Huges' tactical decisions! It could be OK to sit back, but if you do you still need to close your opponent down! If not they will surely get the chance to have their break through! If you can put crosses into the box over and over again without being put under pressure we all know the likely outcome! I'm still baffled about the decision to let Shaq handle Monreal and let Johnson drift into the middle! At least after Monreal had hit the post Hughes should have done something on our right hand side, but as always he didn't do anything! This is the problem with Hughes for me as he seems unable to change things quickly enough even when the problem is staring him in the eyes! For me he has to go, we need someone else who is able to see what is happening on the pitch and make tactical changes in time! Butland and Grant (both more than good enough!) Shawcross and Indi (a good pairing, but need players around them to do their part too! Sell Wolly!) Johnson, Bards, Pieters, Muni (Bards and Pieters as back up, but we really need two new fullbacks! Let Johnson and Muni go!) Cameron, Allen, Whelan, Adam, Imbula, Bojan, Afellay and Ireland (Would keep Cameron, Allen, Bojan and Imbula. Now is the time to replace the rest!) Arnie, Ramadan, Shaq (all very good and creative players, but don't play Shaq out wide against the better teams!) Diouf, Crouch, Walters, Berahino, Joselu (I would keep Diouf and give Berahino a chance to have a good preseason, but still it seems that Crouch is our danger man up front! Anyway I think it's time to cash in on SJW and Crouchy now! Unsure about Joselu!) Transfers: two new fullbacks is a must! Robinson at Hull as our new left back, a bit unsure which right back, but someone! Would even consider to play Diouf there! sign up Indi on a permanent deal! At least one holding midfielder! I think Maguire at Hull could do a really good job in this position! At least one striker If we signed Robertson, people would quickly be pining for pieters back.
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Post by jeycov on May 14, 2017 8:25:57 GMT
One thing is for sure, peter coates already know's who stoke's next manager is make know mistake about that, just relax. I agree, just one more game to go. Bigger concern is which players may be looking elsewhere and we need to sign Bruno
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on May 14, 2017 8:51:32 GMT
A major surgery is required to cut out the old dead wood..at least 7 or 8 need shipping out including the manager. They are not doing it for him and are clueless in attack and poor in defence. Its big job for someone..not Hughes.
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Post by wembley1972 on May 14, 2017 9:43:51 GMT
Hughes may have lost the dressing room, but we do have some decent players, arguable the best squad for some time. Although we have needed two decent quick fullbacks since Hughes came here.
The team seem to have no idea or plan on the pitch. This must come from the managers inability to understand and communicate the changes needed to adapt to what the opposition are doing. We are not a good enough side that we can dictate play against better teams, we have to accept it and be flexible. Hughes sticks with plan A and then sits on his hands, if it's not working he waits until the 70th minute and brings on the old guard.
Hughes has failed to change things from the touch line time and again. He's not used all of the subs some weeks, when we have clearly needed to make changes. He fails to
We don't have a player on the pitch that can take control of the situation or have the bollocks to change things himself, we don't have a proper captain I'm afraid. Shawcross cannot captain this squad.
The result is the team under perform and lose the crowd!!!!!!
Coates has got to have seen this, surely he must do something about it.
Time to go!
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Post by fatboystoke on May 14, 2017 10:09:53 GMT
I think one of the many problems is that he hasn't lost the dressing room. If the players had anything about them they would be saying "boss this is fucking white, what's going on" instead of getting in their Porches and pissing off back to Cheshire as though winning 1 game in ten is a job well done
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Post by fatboystoke on May 14, 2017 10:10:39 GMT
Shite not white, obviously
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Post by alster on May 14, 2017 10:20:37 GMT
Excellent 1st half😂Apart from his positioning for the 1st goal🤔 Which came directly as a result of a fuck up from Allen and Whelan. We had good possession of the ball, he went forward as he's tasked to do and they lost the ball in the worst position possible leaving pieters hopelessly exposed. Not his fault for me that one. It was yet another example of Allen tearing about trying to do everything but doing none of it well.
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Post by march4 on May 14, 2017 10:26:34 GMT
My ideal replacement , as I have said before, is Roberto Mancini. He would mould what we have with a few additions into a good team. Not going to happen though as I doubt Coates would want him or that he would come to Stoke anyway. Best alternative ? Rogers or Benitez That seems to me to be our biggest problem, sacking the manager is easy, finding a better replacement isn't Why wouldn't he come to Stoke? Peter Coates has nearly as much money as Abramovic. He has the money to go for Mourinho if he wants!
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Post by pottersrule on May 14, 2017 10:40:33 GMT
Personally I was a big Pulis fan. What he acheived more than how he did it. He went though at the right time. No arguments at all we moved on. 3 9th place finishes is excellent and Hughes has done brillianty to achieve that. But, it's been going wrong for ages an idiot can see that. He's had more than enough time to address things, but not only has he not done it it's got much worse. Things were going wrong during the last 5 months of last season,so as you say he has had plenty of time to address the problems. We are spiralling downwards rapidly and Mark Hughes and his team simply can't stop it. In my opinion if we can find a suitable successor, it would be negligent to keep the current management team. They have lost the ability to manage the team we have,amongst which there are some very good players.Unfortunately the ship on which they are sailing is rudderless.
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Post by geoff321 on May 14, 2017 10:57:49 GMT
After 31 games last season Stoke had 46 points, ahead of Liverpool, Chelsea, Everton and only five points behind Manchester City in 4th place, Mark Hughes was King and optimism was going through the roof. There was then a fall off in results in the remaining games of the season which has carried on through this season and that has been hugely disappointing.
This under performance has probably been caused by injuries/ loss of form in certain players/ new players not fitting in well or not adapting to the PL/ confidence and in some cases sheer bad luck.
Not a single poster on here has provided hard evidence that Hughes has lost the dressing room, it's all pure conjecture from frustrated fans but hopefully Peter Coates will know all the key issues and therefore make the right decision at the end of the season.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 14, 2017 11:00:51 GMT
I have no idea if he has lost the dressing room, but he sure as hell as lost the plot
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