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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 0:37:43 GMT
I looked at our players today and struggled to see this "great squad" people talk about. Woeful in midfield, dodgy at the back and inept up front.
Even our star men, Arnie and Shaq looked lost. Whelan and Johnson are shot and pinching a living. There is no plan or cohesion.
I think it's gone too far wrong for Hughes to turn it around. I think he's fucked it up. I think he has to go and so do quite a few players.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:40:40 GMT
Think he lost the dressing room after semi defeat and buying imbula. I was so happy when we beat Wet Sham last year. Would he have gone if we we hadn't ? Has that one decent result put us back 2/3/4 years ? I am hoping for 40 pts next season
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 0:45:50 GMT
They aren't playing for their manager are they? That's pretty clear to see.
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Post by AlanHansen on May 14, 2017 0:46:34 GMT
Davef can I ask. As I've asked every Stoke fan I've spoken to tonight, and indeed yourself before a number of times. Hughes in or Hughes out?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 0:49:18 GMT
Davef can I ask. As I've asked every Stoke fan I've spoken to tonight, and indeed yourself before a number of times. Hughes in or Hughes out? What was the concensus? I've done the same, it was definitely out. |
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Post by usapotter on May 14, 2017 0:53:21 GMT
Think he lost the dressing room after semi defeat and buying imbula. I was so happy when we beat Wet Sham last year. Would he have gone if we we hadn't ? Has that one decent result put us back 2/3/4 years ? I am hoping for 40 pts next season I honestly think it can be attributed to the acquisition of both Imbula and Allen. They've totally unbalanced the midfield. Allen looked lost today as did most of the team. GCam obviously can't pass but he is good enough defensively. We need a midfielder next to him to can pick a pass and Whelan, Allen, Imbula, Adam haven't done it. Whelan was good but he's went downhill this season noticeably. I mean look at his bench today, there were 4 strikers. What is that about? |
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Post by usapotter on May 14, 2017 0:54:31 GMT
Davef can I ask. As I've asked every Stoke fan I've spoken to tonight, and indeed yourself before a number of times. Hughes in or Hughes out? What was the concensus? I've done the same, it was definitely out. Most have been Hughes out for a while in my experience. But that is only over Twitter as I am not in the UK to gauge other supporters in person  |
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Post by AlanHansen on May 14, 2017 0:55:22 GMT
A massive out. Only two people want him here. Terry from the hardware shop in Penkhull and my brother who is anti Pulis therefore he feels obliged to be stuck in the Hughes camp, despite it being utterly dreadful. The other circa 30 people I asked want him gone. Most cited like me issues going back to a Liverpool at H in the cup, or Leicester in the League.
Get him gone. He's a footballing dinosaur.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:56:38 GMT
Imbula agreed Allen is a quaity player if used correctly. Allen would not join us if if he knew last summer what he knows now. We are lucky to have him
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:59:35 GMT
A massive out. Only two people want him here. Terry from the hardware shop in Penkhull and my brother who is anti Pulis therefire he feels stuck in the Hughes camp. The other circa 30 people I asked want him gone. Most cited like me issues going back to a Liverpool at H in the cup, or Leicester in the League. Get him gone. He's a footballing dinosaur. That is the problem so many people were anti-pulis that they were glad to see him gone and we have not been able to have a logical discussion Hughes has had an amazing honeymoon cos any one who has raised concerns BAM ! Rimmer ! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 1:03:13 GMT
A massive out. Only two people want him here. Terry from the hardware shop in Penkhull and my brother who is anti Pulis therefire he feels stuck in the Hughes camp. The other circa 30 people I asked want him gone. Most cited like me issues going back to a Liverpool at H in the cup, or Leicester in the League. Get him gone. He's a footballing dinosaur. That is the problem so many people were anti-pulis that they were glad to see him gone and we have not been able to have a logical discussion Hughes has had an amazing honeymoon cos any one who has raised concerns BAM ! Rimmer ! I don't get that mindset though. I hated Pulis as much as the next man but it's obvious Hughes' time is up. He's improved us from TP but we have to move on and make sure that improvement and it is still there is kept. We still have a lot of excellent players, some cracking youth talent and a Chairman who is rich as fook. Now isn't the time to surrender. Keeping Hughes feels like a surrender. |
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Post by AlanHansen on May 14, 2017 1:07:09 GMT
Personally I was a big Pulis fan. What he acheived more than how he did it. He went though at the right time. No arguments at all we moved on.
3 9th place finishes is excellent and Hughes has done brillianty to achieve that. But, it's been going wrong for ages an idiot can see that. He's had more than enough time to address things, but not only has he not done it it's got much worse.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 14, 2017 1:09:01 GMT
I looked at our players today and struggled to see this "great squad" people talk about. Woeful in midfield, dodgy at the back and inept up front. Even our star men, Arnie and Shaq looked lost. Whelan and Johnson are shot and pinching a living. There is no plan or cohesion. I think it's gone too far wrong for Hughes to turn it around. I think he's fucked it up. I think he has to go and so do quite a few players. Just out of interest which players want him gone? I reckon that's supposition mate. Fair enough if you think he's fucking things up, but I don't know which players you're thinking of. Difference between players who dropped bollocks, or weren't up to scratch and those not playing for the team/manager. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 1:09:30 GMT
That is the problem so many people were anti-pulis that they were glad to see him gone and we have not been able to have a logical discussion Hughes has had an amazing honeymoon cos any one who has raised concerns BAM ! Rimmer ! I don't get that mindset though. I hated Pulis as much as the next man but it's obvious Hughes' time is up. He's improved us from TP but we have to move on and make sure that improvement and it is still there is kept. We still have a lot of excellent players, some cracking youth talent and a Chairman who is rich as fook. Now isn't the time to surrender. Keeping Hughes feels like a surrender. I couldn't do with Pulis, either and called for his head after Swansea away. This is Hughes's equivalent. There's no way back. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 1:09:38 GMT
That is the problem so many people were anti-pulis that they were glad to see him gone and we have not been able to have a logical discussion Hughes has had an amazing honeymoon cos any one who has raised concerns BAM ! Rimmer ! I don't get that mindset though. I hated Pulis as much as the next man but it's obvious Hughes' time is up. He's improved us from TP but we have to move on and make sure that improvement and it is still there is kept. We still have a lot of excellent players, some cracking youth talent and a Chairman who is rich as fook. Now isn't the time to surrender. Keeping Hughes feels like a surrender. Dunno how we get there Bayern but i actually agree with you mate ! No ill feeling to Sparky but we need to move on |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 1:09:42 GMT
Davef can I ask. As I've asked every Stoke fan I've spoken to tonight, and indeed yourself before a number of times. Hughes in or Hughes out? What was the concensus? I've done the same, it was definitely out. I'm out. Definitely. Have been for some time. However, I agree with those who argue about who we would replace him with. A good solid coherent performance against Southampton (Shaq in the 10 role, Sobhi out wide, Imbula given another chance, Berahino up front) and I can see why some might want him to stay. One swallow wouldn't make a summer though, some of our performances this season have been dreadful. Rolling out the old guard (Walters, Whelan, Crouch etc) to beat the lesser teams just isn't progress. And it's got to be accepted those players are getting on, to rely on them for safety will be a dangerous game next season. We require impetus, I think that requires a change in manager, personnel and transfer strategy / scouting. Next season is a big season. Arguably our biggest yet |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 1:13:17 GMT
I don't get that mindset though. I hated Pulis as much as the next man but it's obvious Hughes' time is up. He's improved us from TP but we have to move on and make sure that improvement and it is still there is kept. We still have a lot of excellent players, some cracking youth talent and a Chairman who is rich as fook. Now isn't the time to surrender. Keeping Hughes feels like a surrender. Dunno how we get there Bayern but i actually agree with you mate ! No ill feeling to Sparky but we need to move on On balance he's done a good job but he can't carry on. It's been 18 months of utter shit football. We've seen the issue (some sooner than others  ) for that long or sooner than the bloke paid millions. Instead of sorting it, he bought a player who served his country well but that we never needed. Joe Allen for me sums up the managers demise nicely. It's unnecessary, expensive, frustrating and all over the place. I like Hughes, he seems a decent sort but he's just got to go. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 1:14:28 GMT
I looked at our players today and struggled to see this "great squad" people talk about. Woeful in midfield, dodgy at the back and inept up front. Even our star men, Arnie and Shaq looked lost. Whelan and Johnson are shot and pinching a living. There is no plan or cohesion. I think it's gone too far wrong for Hughes to turn it around. I think he's fucked it up. I think he has to go and so do quite a few players. Just out of interest which players want him gone? I reckon that's supposition mate. Fair enough if you think he's fucking things up, but I don't know which players you're thinking of. Difference between players who dropped bollocks, or weren't up to scratch and those not playing for the team/manager. I'm not saying that they are deliberately fucking it up for him, but if they are really this poor this often, then it can't be that good of a squad, surely? He's either lost them or they were crap to start with. I looked around today and genuinely wasn't sure which it was. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 1:16:10 GMT
What was the concensus? I've done the same, it was definitely out. I'm out. Definitely. Have been for some time. However, I agree with those who argue about who we would replace him with. A good solid coherent performance against Southampton (Shaq in the 10 role, Sobhi out wide, Imbula given another chance, Berahino up front) and I can see why some might want him to stay. One swallow wouldn't make a summer though, some of our performances this season have been dreadful. Rolling out the old guard (Walters, Whelan, Crouch etc) to beat the lesser teams just isn't progress. And it's got to be accepted those players are getting on, to rely on them for safety will be a dangerous game next season. We require impetus, I think that requires a change in manager, personnel and transfer strategy / scouting. Next season is a big season. Arguably our biggest yet When TP left it was the same, every manager out there (bar the foreign ones we dunna know) we will have an opinion on and it will generally be negative. Hughes wasn't wanted by loads of people and he's turned out just fine. I can see why it scares people and I'm fooked if I could name a manager that could almost guarantee success and improvement but that's football. It just feels like we're sleepwalking to something really bad at the moment. |
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Post by usapotter on May 14, 2017 1:20:52 GMT
I'm out. Definitely. Have been for some time. However, I agree with those who argue about who we would replace him with. A good solid coherent performance against Southampton (Shaq in the 10 role, Sobhi out wide, Imbula given another chance, Berahino up front) and I can see why some might want him to stay. One swallow wouldn't make a summer though, some of our performances this season have been dreadful. Rolling out the old guard (Walters, Whelan, Crouch etc) to beat the lesser teams just isn't progress. And it's got to be accepted those players are getting on, to rely on them for safety will be a dangerous game next season. We require impetus, I think that requires a change in manager, personnel and transfer strategy / scouting. Next season is a big season. Arguably our biggest yet When TP left it was the same, every manager out there (bar the foreign ones we dunna know) we will have an opinion on and it will generally be negative. Hughes wasn't wanted by loads of people and he's turned out just fine. I can see why it scares people and I'm fooked if I could name a manager that could almost guarantee success and improvement but that's football. It just feels like we're sleepwalking to something really bad at the moment. Sleep walking right to the championship. Similar to what happened to Newcastle in my opinion |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 14, 2017 1:29:23 GMT
I looked at our players today and struggled to see this "great squad" people talk about. Woeful in midfield, dodgy at the back and inept up front. Even our star men, Arnie and Shaq looked lost. Whelan and Johnson are shot and pinching a living. There is no plan or cohesion. I think it's gone too far wrong for Hughes to turn it around. I think he's fucked it up. I think he has to go and so do quite a few players. Just out of interest which players want him gone? I reckon that's supposition mate. Fair enough if you think he's fucking things up, but I don't know which players you're thinking of. Difference between players who dropped bollocks, or weren't up to scratch and those not playing for the team/manager. Ah, badly worded, Cheese! I meant quite a few players want offing as well, not that they wanted Hughes gone. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 14, 2017 2:34:33 GMT
Squad don't have a clue who is playing or what formation we are playing week in, week out.
Manager needs to make his fuckng choice and stick with it. At least players will know what the plan is.
Players can't buy in to a plan they don't understand whether they are young, old, fast or slow.
Transfer team? Bunch of chancers stealing a living.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 14, 2017 6:06:07 GMT
I looked at our players today and struggled to see this "great squad" people talk about. Woeful in midfield, dodgy at the back and inept up front. Even our star men, Arnie and Shaq looked lost. Whelan and Johnson are shot and pinching a living. There is no plan or cohesion. I think it's gone too far wrong for Hughes to turn it around. I think he's fucked it up. I think he has to go and so do quite a few players. I think the problem is that with such an awful midfield who should be setting the tempo of a team other players will suffer. The defence because they don't get shielded and the attack because the service is slow. |
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Post by sharonbeech21 on May 14, 2017 6:06:36 GMT
We have got some good players but Mark Hughes doesnt know how to get the best out of them. Also we have players like Ramadan and Muniesa who dont get to play regularly and who would make a difference if they were given the chance. Its time to play younger players and let the older ones go
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 14, 2017 6:34:13 GMT
If Hughes thinks playing Johnson,Pieters,Whelan,Cameron and Walters again next season, then we realy will be in shit street.
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Post by milky on May 14, 2017 6:51:57 GMT
If he starts Johnson and yet again plays Allen as the so called number 10 next Sunday he can fuck off as soon as the final whistle goes as far as I'm concerned.
By big worry is who we would appoint as a replacement though.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 14, 2017 7:03:48 GMT
If he starts Johnson and yet again plays Allen as the so called number 10 next Sunday he can fuck off as soon as the final whistle goes as far as I'm concerned. By big worry is who we would appoint as a replacement though. If Mr. Coates insists on only appointing British managers, then we need to pull out all the stops and go for Rogers. |
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Post by milky on May 14, 2017 7:11:29 GMT
If he starts Johnson and yet again plays Allen as the so called number 10 next Sunday he can fuck off as soon as the final whistle goes as far as I'm concerned. By big worry is who we would appoint as a replacement though. If Mr. Coates insists on only appointing British managers, then we need to pull out all the stops and go for Rogers. I think so too..what else can he achieve at Celtic ? The guy at Fulham would be a good shout if they don't go up.Theyve been scoring for fun ! |
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Post by hoofmagic on May 14, 2017 7:28:21 GMT
One thing is for sure, peter coates already know's who stoke's next manager is make know mistake about that, just relax.
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Post by trigger on May 14, 2017 7:31:58 GMT
I lost count yesterday of how many simple passes we put out of play, Whelan and Johnson were pathetic. Johnson's positional play was abysmal, admittedly Shaqiri was AWOL most of the time, but to continually get the ball stuck between your feet and continually get caught in possession you should hang your boots up Johnson.
Pieters had cover but as usual looked the baffoon he is and robbing a living.
The gap between the defence and the slow midfield was enormous and every loose ball fell to Arsenal but Hughes hadn't got the foggiest idea what to do other than to throw Crouch and Berhanino on.
I can't see how Hughes can survive this, it's abysmal.
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) for that long or sooner than the bloke paid millions. Instead of sorting it, he bought a player who served his country well but that we never needed. Joe Allen for me sums up the managers demise nicely. It's unnecessary, expensive, frustrating and all over the place. 
